50 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wilson had 96 attempts that year. 
 

Hurts will likely double that amount 

Ok, and?  He'll have hundreds of more passing yards than Wilson too.  Josh Allen has 89 attempts already, is he a running back playing QB?

48 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I never said Allen was a running back playing QB, but I did address his running and his putting his body in harm's way.   I believe that both need to do it less than they do, for their own sakes, as well as the welfare of their teams.

I didn't direct my post to you specifically but for anyone who says Hurts is a running back playing QB.  What's the criteria?  Because no one would suggest Josh Allen is yet he has almost as many rushing yards as Hurts.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ok, and?  He'll have hundreds of more passing yards than Wilson too.  Josh Allen has 89 attempts already, is he a running back playing QB?

Allen and Hurts run too much. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I didn't direct my post to you specifically but for anyone who says Hurts is a running back playing QB.  What's the criteria?  Because no one would suggest Josh Allen is yet he has almost as many rushing yards as Hurts.

It’s not about yards

@NOTW

Jalen Hurts best attribute is his running ability.

Same with Lamar. 
 

Josh Allen and Mahomes (and even Russ back in the day) best ability is passing the ball. 
 

Allen is also a more dynamic runner than Hurts, but that’s a conversation for another day.

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I didn't direct my post to you specifically but for anyone who says Hurts is a running back playing QB.  What's the criteria?  Because no one would suggest Josh Allen is yet he has almost as many rushing yards as Hurts.

I understood that, but figured I'd chime in on Allen.  As a football fan, he frustrates me watching him run and take unnecessary hits.   Purely from a selfish standpoint, I really don't want to watch a Buffalo Bills team QB'd by Case Keenum in the playoffs (or any other game I tune in to).  

Cousins has been knocked down behind the line 55 times along with 28 sacks.

Hurts has been knocked down 19 times along with 28 sacks. (36 less dangerous hits)

Lamar Jackson has been knocked down 13 times along with 24 sacks. (46 less dangerous hits)

Edit: 28 / 27 for Allen. (28 less hits)

Damn shame about the occasional DB hitting Hurts, Allen,  and Jackson though.

 

https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

Here's another bit of reality.

14 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Cousins has been knocked down behind the line 55 times along with 28 sacks.

Hurts has been knocked down 19 times along with 28 sacks. (36 less dangerous hits)

Lamar Jackson has been knocked down 13 times along with 24 sacks. (46 less dangerous hits)

Edit: 28 / 27 for Allen. (28 less hits)

Damn shame about the occasional DB hitting Hurts, Allen,  and Jackson though.

If this was only about 'hits' and not about 'unnecessary' hits, you'd be on to something.  

For example...

The play starting at 2:01.  This is 2nd and 2.   He keeps the ball and fights for the first down... in the process, he gets landed on from a DT.  Unnecessary hit.   If he keeps running to the sidelines, maybe he gets the first down... maybe he doesn't and they have to convert a 3rd and short.  But he definitely doesn't get landed on by 350 lbs of humanity, while being slung down by the DB.   Then again... in this offense, every third and short becomes a QB sneak.  . 

35 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

@NOTW

Jalen Hurts best attribute is his running ability.

Same with Lamar. 
 

Josh Allen and Mahomes (and even Russ back in the day) best ability is passing the ball. 
 

Allen is also a more dynamic runner than Hurts, but that’s a conversation for another day.

Hurts has been improving his passing game a lot from last year.  He's had games with more focus on the passing attack and multiple passing TDs.  He's had drives where he had to rely on his arm instead of legs and delivered.  Last year a lot of people just flat out gave up on him and he's taken a big leap this year.  Hurts has already proven he can deliver in the passing game.  They also added Brown and have stronger receiving group so defenses can be focusing on the receivers which opens up opportunity for Hurts to run.  I don't care how we win as long as we win.  I wouldn't like it if Hurts could simply not pass and only relied on the run.  He has proven to deliver in the passing game as well.  It may be less balanced than some people would like, but if it gets the job done and they can rely on either running or passing to attack a defense.

50 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Hurts has been improving his passing game a lot from last year.  He's had games with more focus on the passing attack and multiple passing TDs.  He's had drives where he had to rely on his arm instead of legs and delivered.  Last year a lot of people just flat out gave up on him and he's taken a big leap this year.  Hurts has already proven he can deliver in the passing game.  They also added Brown and have stronger receiving group so defenses can be focusing on the receivers which opens up opportunity for Hurts to run.  I don't care how we win as long as we win.  I wouldn't like it if Hurts could simply not pass and only relied on the run.  He has proven to deliver in the passing game as well.  It may be less balanced than some people would like, but if it gets the job done and they can rely on either running or passing to attack a defense.

You asked what makes people consider Hurts a running back playing QB, while Allen isn’t considered the same.

Ive pointed out that the reason is their passing ability. As good as a runner as Allen is, he’s that much better at passing. He’s a ridiculous player. Mahomes as well, though he runs far less frequently than both. Russ Wilson falls into this group too.
 

Lamar, Hurts, etc, would all have their running ability ranked as their best attribute. That’s why they’re classified as such. And so far, in the history of the league, that style of QB hasn’t won the Super Bowl. That’s not to say it will never happen; just that when/if it does it will be the first time. 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The Hurts Squirters.  Probably the dumbest and most sensitive group of sports fans outside of soccer.  
 

 

Orrrr it's the Hurts haters that can't stand that he's become such a good QB and jump at the chance to dump on him when he makes a bad decision once in a blue moon. They rather see the team fail and be right about Hurts than enjoy the teams success while being wrong about him. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Grow up dude.  Every player is capable of being criticized.  Really.  
 

You’re soft as goose ish.  He won’t be your friend.  

Grow up dude? Did you read your own post that I responded to? I would have thought the whole banning thing would have matured you a bit. I should have known better.

The amount of criticism Hurts gets from you guys is unwarranted. You know that. You just can't admit it. No player is above criticism. It's when should the player be criticized. 

8 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Grow up dude? Did you read your own post that I responded to? I would have thought the whole banning thing would have matured you a bit. I should have known better.

The amount of criticism Hurts gets from you guys is unwarranted. You know that. You just can't admit it. No player is above criticism. It's when should the player be criticized. 

Who gets to decide how and when Hurts should be criticized? You? Get a grip

Here comes the gang. Watch out 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

You asked what makes people consider Hurts a running back playing QB, while Allen isn’t considered the same.

Ive pointed out that the reason is their passing ability. As good as a runner as Allen is, he’s that much better at passing. He’s a ridiculous player. Mahomes as well, though he runs far less frequently than both. Russ Wilson falls into this group too.
 

Lamar, Hurts, etc, would all have their running ability ranked as their best attribute. That’s why they’re classified as such. And so far, in the history of the league, that style of QB hasn’t won the Super Bowl. That’s not to say it will never happen; just that when/if it does it will be the first time. 

The goal post keeps moving for Hurts that's all.  

• He can't pass
• He can't throw deep
• He can't stay in the pocket to pass
• He can't read a defense
• He can't lead game winning drives

He's doing all this so now it's finding some other reasons to criticize him. 

• Playing hero ball - no, he isn't
• Putting his body in harm's way - no, he isn't.  He's getting out of bounds or going down
• He's got too many rushing yards - Josh Allen has about the same
• Well then it's rush attempts, that's the real problem
• Ok he's improved in the passing game, but he's better at running so that's the problem

The argument keeps changing.  He's had some games this year with less than 10 rush attempts and relied on passing to win.  He's proven to have success in the passing game.  We do need to see it against tougher teams and in the playoffs as well.

This argument about "running QBs" has gone on forever.  The last sticking point is that a "running QB" has never won a Super Bowl.  (*Wilson's rushing numbers don't count though, there are ways to rationalize that to fit the argument).  

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was a suspension you dunce.  And try and pretend like you know what you’re talking about. I’ve never heard of you before this recent crying by you.  Who is "you guys”?  Last time I checked, I was just one person.  I’ve stated in here numerous times that he’s done a better job this year and I’ll let the season play out before I eat all the crow.  But my point still stands.  There is some portion of the fan base that is so damn soft and sensitive.  Once again, he doesn’t know you and won’t be your friend.  We’re all Philly fans.  Just because some people don’t believe in the running QB thing doesn’t mean they are rooting against the guy.  Toughen up.  He’s a hell of a lot tougher than you are.  

That's unfortunate for the rest of us. Maybe next time. All you do is try to provoke and belittle people. You have no substance. You're a child. Grow up.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Well I am sure with all 78 of your posts, you have really made a contribution here.  Unless you're a clone, which seems to be the case.  But either way, since you know so much, you'll know that there is an ignore feature.  I'd suggest you use it, since you can't handle opinions that don't mirror your own.  

 

It's ok buddy.  You'll be alright.  

You still don't seem to understand so I'll try to simplify it for you. Simplify means to make it less difficult. I don't mind when people have differing opinions than my own. It's whether those opinions are warranted vs being a hater just because. For example, do you criticize Josh Allen for his play? Or do you only point out the positives of his game and forget all of the boneheaded mistakes and his reckless playstyle? Do you judge him and Hurts in the same light? No.

You can't have a discussion with someone that has a different opinion than your own. You're too immature. Anyone that doesn't think like you is a cry baby, soft, etc. etc. I think you get that point, right?

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

The goal post keeps moving for Hurts that's all.  

• He can't pass
• He can't throw deep
• He can't stay in the pocket to pass
• He can't read a defense
• He can't lead game winning drives

He's doing all this so now it's finding some other reasons to criticize him. 

• Playing hero ball - no, he isn't
• Putting his body in harm's way - no, he isn't.  He's getting out of bounds or going down
• He's got too many rushing yards - Josh Allen has about the same
• Well then it's rush attempts, that's the real problem
• Ok he's improved in the passing game, but he's better at running so that's the problem

The argument keeps changing.  He's had some games this year with less than 10 rush attempts and relied on passing to win.  He's proven to have success in the passing game.  We do need to see it against tougher teams and in the playoffs as well.

This argument about "running QBs" has gone on forever.  The last sticking point is that a "running QB" has never won a Super Bowl.  (*Wilson's rushing numbers don't count though, there are ways to rationalize that to fit the argument).  

Excellent post. And I would add the "running QB" argument, in 2022, is about as cutting edge as a rotary dial phone.

Hurts represents the prototypical quarterback for the NFL in 2022.  Yes, there are a few guys (we see you Tom Brady) who still stand tall in the pocket and throw strikes, but Hurts, Josh Allen, Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson are as mobile as they are accurate. That's where the game is going (on both sides of the ball but that's another thread for another day).

 For some reason, fans tend to undervalue a TD on the ground vs. a TD through the air.  That's inverse logic, of course, but these old biases die hard. 

21 hours ago, SkippyX said:

The most dangerous place in sports is in the pocket during a football game.

Massive freakishly athletic dudes are trying to hurt you.

Lets cry about running instead.

In the pocket, you have massive freakishly athletic dudes trying to hurt you with massive freakishly athletic dudes protecting you.

Once you break from the pocket, you just have massive freakishly athletic dudes trying to hurt you.

Coincidentally, Hurts happens to be evolving into a really good pocket passer and a really bad passer on the run.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

The goal post keeps moving for Hurts that's all.  

• He can't pass
• He can't throw deep
• He can't stay in the pocket to pass
• He can't read a defense
• He can't lead game winning drives

He's doing all this so now it's finding some other reasons to criticize him. 

• Playing hero ball - no, he isn't
• Putting his body in harm's way - no, he isn't.  He's getting out of bounds or going down
• He's got too many rushing yards - Josh Allen has about the same
• Well then it's rush attempts, that's the real problem
• Ok he's improved in the passing game, but he's better at running so that's the problem

The argument keeps changing.  He's had some games this year with less than 10 rush attempts and relied on passing to win.  He's proven to have success in the passing game.  We do need to see it against tougher teams and in the playoffs as well.

This argument about "running QBs" has gone on forever.  The last sticking point is that a "running QB" has never won a Super Bowl.  (*Wilson's rushing numbers don't count though, there are ways to rationalize that to fit the argument).  

The goal posts will always keep moving.  That's the NFL.

The Hurts humpers were right.  Hurts has improved by leaps and bounds.  He is the best option for this year, next year, and the year after that.

The question as to if all of that is good enough to win a SB as the first ever true running QB remains to be seen.  Right now, as is, his chances are pretty good.

But he does have too many rush attempts and yards.  Josh Allen has about the same and he's got too many too.  Every single criticism I have of Hurts, at this point, aside from arm strength and throwing on the run, completely applies to Josh Allen.

 

I'm OK with a running QB having never won a SB because it's obvious there's no better option, so we might as well roll with it.  2 realities are going to converge at the same time:

1. Running QB's do not age well.  That's because running doesn't age well.  Once you hit a certain age, it's all hinging on your arm.  Hurts has a very physical running style that will not be available to him in 4 years.  

2.  Howie doesn't draft well enough to maintain a SB contending roster when the QB is on a high end franchise contract.  Those holes from failing to replenish our current talent via the draft without the ability to sign and trade proven pro-bowlers will catch up in about 3 years.

They'll need to win a SB before that happens, because that's a short interval for the rebuild and reset button.

 

Bills should stop Allen from running so much too. He's actually more reckless with his body than Hurts

My complaints have only been because I want Hurts to stay healthy so he can keep playing

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Bills should stop Allen from running so much too. He's actually more reckless with his body than Hurts

My complaints have only been because I want Hurts to stay healthy so he can keep playing

Yes.

Looks like they ran out of things to talk about in the blog. 

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

In the pocket, you have massive freakishly athletic dudes trying to hurt you with massive freakishly athletic dudes protecting you.

Once you break from the pocket, you just have massive freakishly athletic dudes trying to hurt you.

Coincidentally, Hurts happens to be evolving into a really good pocket passer and a really bad passer on the run.

Hurts has improved leaps and bounds, but he's been anything but a really good pocket passer.  He is not comfortable in the pocket whatsoever.