@Aerolithe_Lion Move the 4 and the 2 on McNabb's record but the % is correct

Hurts is already #1 in Eagles passer rating (minimum 10 starts) Hurts 93.7  Foles 93.2  Wentz 89.2

So right now, Patrick Mahomes has 32 total TD and 8 TO. And Hurts has 29 total TD and 5 TO.

Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined that Hurts would be in a dead heat with Mahomes for league MVP. There's not enough credit in the world to give this kid, his improvement year over year is unbelievable.

I always thought the whole "QB intangibles > QB talent" thing was overblown... it's not.

I expected improvement from Hurts this year but he looks like he put in the work everyday all day in the offseason

Cant say enough about how good of a job he’s doing. Winning with his arm, winning with his running ability, and he’s making smart quick reads and his timing is on point

Plus how good of a leader he is.. you can see the players respect and play hard for him. He knows what our WRs like to do and puts the ball there. Haven’t seen very many "weren’t on the same page” type of throws 

Thank for this season Hurts let’s finish it with greatness 🦅

According to Reuben Frank Sunday was Jalen’s 7th consecutive game with a quarterback rating of 90 plus, and that is the most in franchise history. I hope this is the beginning of something and not just a one hit wonder like Wentz was. With that being the case Jalen’s leadership ability, hardworking attitude, and personal accountability makes me think this is going to last.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

According to Reuben Frank Sunday was Jalen’s 7th consecutive game with a quarterback rating of 90 plus, and that is the most in franchise history. I hope this is the beginning of something and not just a one hit wonder like Wentz was. With that being the case Jalen’s leadership ability, hardworking attitude, and personal accountability makes me think this is going to last.

I guess we are all still feeling a little sore from the Carson situation. I know I've still got some concerns just off the experience we had with Carson. That said I do think there were a number of mitigating factors that led to Carson falling off a cliff. But then again the NFL has seen one season wonders before. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I guess we are all still feeling a little sore from the Carson situation. I know I've still got some concerns just off the experience we had with Carson. That said I do think there were a number of mitigating factors that led to Carson falling off a cliff. But then again the NFL has seen one season wonders before. 

Funny, I see it different. No concerns at all - because of the Wentz experience.

Hurts is the perfect opposite in all the things Wentz sucked in.

I'm sure it's been said in this thread already, but the most promising thing with Hurts is his confidence and trust in his receivers. I'm still in awe over that throw and catch to AJ off the defender's shoulder pads. 

12 minutes ago, Heavywchamp said:

I'm sure it's been said in this thread already, but the most promising thing with Hurts is his confidence and trust in his receivers. I'm still in awe over that throw and catch to AJ off the defender's shoulder pads. 

I am convinced he’s underthrowing  receivers intentionally to take advantage of CB tendencies. That AJ throw is a good example. People state that the defender could have just turned around and picked that, but AJ and Jalen knew he wasn’t going to; that would have been an irregular reaction by the defender as long as AJ doesn’t put his hands up too early. The throw to DeVonta also seemed to be under thrown, though if he didn’t do that DeVonta wouldn’t have been open. It’s not an arm strength thing as theyre only 30-odd yard passes, but I’ve noticed he does it slot on slant routes.

TE over the middle for 6-10 yards and he’ll routinely throw it between their waist and knees. Still a catchable ball, but it guarantees it doesn’t get picked if the receiver mismanages it. Alshon against the Saints immediately comes to mind. Hurts is channeling his inner Mcnabb, but you never go full Mcnabb.

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I guess we are all still feeling a little sore from the Carson situation. I know I've still got some concerns just off the experience we had with Carson. That said I do think there were a number of mitigating factors that led to Carson falling off a cliff. But then again the NFL has seen one season wonders before. 

The red flags were always there with Carson. There were stories out fairly early that he was difficult to coach. He repeatedly would state he wouldn’t change to the media. Truth is the fans took a long time to accept Carson’s flaws, because 2017 pretty much blew most of them over. The bigger stories about his attitude started coming out then and most of the fan base killed the writers of the stories and not Carson. This is the contrast I see between these two players. One guy comes to work while the other guy got coddled. When Carson didn’t have his way people seemed to get replaced or removed. Jalen as a leader just seems line he’s on a completely different level compared to Carson. With that all being the case, the team needs to succeed. Personally I don’t care how they do it. Don’t care if they run for 350 or pass for 350 as long as they get the win and the quarterback stays healthy. 

23 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The red flags were always there with Carson. There were stories out fairly early that he was difficult to coach. He repeatedly would state he wouldn’t change to the media. Truth is the fans took a long time to accept Carson’s flaws, because 2017 pretty much blew most of them over. The bigger stories about his attitude started coming out then and most of the fan base killed the writers of the stories and not Carson. This is the contrast I see between these two players. One guy comes to work while the other guy got coddled. When Carson didn’t have his way people seemed to get replaced or removed. Jalen as a leader just seems line he’s on a completely different level compared to Carson. With that all being the case, the team needs to succeed. Personally I don’t care how they do it. Don’t care if they run for 350 or pass for 350 as long as they get the win and the quarterback stays healthy. 

Curious who you are talking about.  Would you care to name names with this one?

7 hours ago, Infam said:

Funny, I see it different. No concerns at all - because of the Wentz experience.

Hurts is the perfect opposite in all the things Wentz sucked in.

And I don't completely disagree... But but but Wentz did go through a lot both in terms of injuries and mentally too. 

16 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined that Hurts would be in a dead heat with Mahomes for league MVP. There's not enough credit in the world to give this kid, his improvement year over year is unbelievable.

I always thought the whole "QB intangibles > QB talent" thing was overblown... it's not.

Talk to his lawyer! 😁

Everytime he throws an incomplete pass he goes to Slay to ask what they did to confuse him. 😄

I love listening to Slay. 

 

23 hours ago, Swoop said:

One thing I liked, which might have just slipped under the radar..

He had a tipped pass at the line on a dump off to the back. Very shortly after, same type of idea, but he added a little bounce and loft to the ball so that Gainwell could snag it and get the first.

Might seem dumb, but, given his height he needs to be aware of these things. 

Good job on that.

I remember that as well. Thought that was great

21 hours ago, vaff said:

So right now, Patrick Mahomes has 32 total TD and 8 TO. And Hurts has 29 total TD and 5 TO.

Lol I still don't like how they group those stats now

39 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I remember that as well. Thought that was great

Lol I still don't like how they group those stats now

If you want to split it up, it’s:

 

Passing TD

Hurts - 20

Mahomes - 30

Rushing TD

Hurts - 9

Mahomes - 2

 

INT

Hurts - 3

Mahomes - 8

 

FUM

Hurts - 2

Mahomes - 0

Still pretty damn good

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

One guy comes to work while the other guy got coddled

As I heard ESP say the other day... Carson got handed his contract from the day he was drafted #2 overall. Jalen has had to go out there and earn it. 

20 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Curious who you are talking about.  Would you care to name names with this one?

 

They replaced a QB coach early in his career, who supposedly coached him hard. I can't recall the name at the moment. From early on, there was this concerted effort to surround Wentz with coaches that would cater to his emotional idiosyncrasies.

10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They replaced a QB coach early in his career, who supposedly coached him hard. I can't recall the name at the moment. From early on, there was this concerted effort to surround Wentz with coaches that would cater to his emotional idiosyncrasies.

That's incorrect.  John D signed a 2 year contract to join the team in 2016.   They blocked John D from going on assistant coach (aka, OC) interviews after 2016.  After 2017, he left to take on the OC job in Minnesota.  They didn't 'get rid of him'.  On the contrary, they did everything they could to keep him around as long as they could.  After 2017, he took an OC job (he had been an OC in the past with the Browns, and wanted to get back to it again).  And they couldn't promote John D to OC here, because of the timeline for Reich's departure for Indy, thanks to Josh McDaniels' jaggoff move to back out of the job after agreeing to it following the SB.  

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/13/defilippos-contract-expires-after-the-season-making-him-free-to-leave/

 

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Jalen Hurts named NFC offensive player of the week

Posted by Josh Alper on December 7, 2022, 8:36 AM EST

Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts‘ breakout 2022 season continued against the Titans last Sunday.

Hurts was 29-of-39 for 380 yards and three touchdowns through the air during the 35-10 home win. He didn’t run as much as he has in other games this season, but one of his five rushes did result in his ninth rushing touchdown of the season.

The NFL named Hurts the NFC offensive player of the week in recognition of that effort. It’s the second straight week that Hurts has taken that honor and he was also named the conference’s top offensive player of the month for September.

Hurts’ play has been a major reason why the Eagles are 11-1 this season and more of the same over the final five weeks will make him a contender for MVP votes once all is said and done.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/07/jalen-hurts-named-nfc-offensive-player-of-the-week-2/

20 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Curious who you are talking about.  Would you care to name names with this one?

 

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They replaced a QB coach early in his career, who supposedly coached him hard. I can't recall the name at the moment. From early on, there was this concerted effort to surround Wentz with coaches that would cater to his emotional idiosyncrasies.

Deflippo was one of the names of the guys who supposedly Carson didn’t like. When he got fired everyone thought he would come back, but it was widely known that Carson didn’t like his coaching style. It was also reported early in the Santoliquito story that players wanted to remain anonymous, because they feared reprisal from the Eagles of being let go. This stuff was out there early, but people didn’t want to hear it. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

 

Deflippo was one of the names of the guys who supposedly Carson didn’t like. When he got fired everyone thought he would come back, but it was widely known that Carson didn’t like his coaching style. It was also reported early in the Santoliquito story that players wanted to remain anonymous, because they feared reprisal from the Eagles of being let go. This stuff was out there early, but people didn’t want to hear it. 

Revisionist history.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/13/defilippos-contract-expires-after-the-season-making-him-free-to-leave/

Not bringing DeFilippo back after he left is completely different from getting rid of him to placate Carson.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Revisionist history.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/13/defilippos-contract-expires-after-the-season-making-him-free-to-leave/

Not bringing DeFilippo back after he left is completely different from getting rid of him to placate Carson.  

But not revisionist history as Carson’s issues were clearly showing before Deflippo even left.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-wentz-exclusive-sources-paint-eagles-quarterback-as-selfish-not-team-player/

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

But not revisionist history as Carson’s issues were clearly showing before Deflippo even left.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-wentz-exclusive-sources-paint-eagles-quarterback-as-selfish-not-team-player/

That's nearly a full TWO YEARS AFTER the SB year, and TWO YEARS AFTER DeFilippo left.   In the time line of events, they blocked DeFilippo pissing him off after having promised to allow him to interview for OC jobs after 2016.  They had to let him interview after 2017 and he left.   

Your statement was that people that didn't work well with Carson were removed or replaced.   DeFilippo doesn't fit that narrative.  Do you have a second name to throw into the mix?   After all, your initial post said "people", which is plural.  So far, you've only incorrectly named ONE individual.  Who was removed or replaced?

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's nearly a full TWO YEARS AFTER the SB year, and TWO YEARS AFTER DeFilippo left.   In the time line of events, they blocked DeFilippo pissing him off after having promised to allow him to interview for OC jobs after 2016.  They had to let him interview after 2017 and he left.   

Your statement was that people that didn't work well with Carson were removed or replaced.   DeFilippo doesn't fit that narrative.  Do you have a second name to throw into the mix?   After all, your initial post said "people", which is plural.  So far, you've only incorrectly named ONE individual.  Who was removed or replaced?

So the article came out after that point. It was clear that in the article was about more than just the season after. I’ll leave you some excerpts.

"With Reich taking the top job with the Colts and DeFilippo joining the Vikings this season, the Eagles’ offense was going to be pretty much the same, or so the players thought. There was one major exception: Wentz didn’t want to run many of the concepts, because he felt that was "Foles’ stuff,”

Clearly this is a reference to 2017-18.

Wentz’s proclivity for playing "favorites” manifested itself in targeting Ertz, who went on to catch a single-season NFL-record 116 passes for a tight end. Over the 11 games Wentz played, he went to Ertz 106 times (an average of 9.6 targets per game), while Alshon Jeffery was targeted 74 times (7.4 targets per game) and Nelson Agholor 60 times (5.4 targets per game). Sources added, without any great revelation, that Jordan Matthews is an Eagle because "of his buddy Wentz.”

These are direct references here to 2017 and how Wentz manipulated the team to keep one of his guys on the team and him throwing to him a lot despite him not being all that good. 
 
I listened to one of Santoliquito’s interviews at the time and he said there was at least a half a dozen people in the Eagles organization who assisted in making his story and he mentioned that they wanted to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal for going against Wentz. Clearly in their minds Wentz played behind the scenes politics. Why would any of the people in the organization assume that if they didn’t think it were true? Of course it didn’t help that Carson’s face was plastered all over the GMs office. Most of the media local at the time pretty much panned this article. They also trash the report that came out from Anderson as well. There is also the story of a respected veteran during the SB run who confronted Wentz for being selfish at that time while the Eagles we’re making the run without him. I can’t tell you if said player was removed from the team after that time, but I can say that something made the rest of them feel like they needed to stay anonymous. Finally if Groh was the problem he could have been fired or shuffled when Deflip was fired by the Vikings. Deflip could have beeen brought in as an advisor, but none of that happened and the reason was Wentz didn’t like his difficult coaching style. The signs were there, but most of the people refused to see it.