jblah Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 11 hours ago, birdman#12 said: If they get rid of Pedersen, they may as well get rid of Wentz......with his issues, learning another offensive system certainly won't help. Not to mention, the new HC may want to draft his own guy... Eagles starting to feel like the old browns........revolving door of coaches and QBs......... If they really do fire Pedersen, then they have to go all in for Eric Bienemy....I'm sure he'll have a lot to say about keeping Wentz or Hurts. I think i would like to go outside of the AR coaching tree this time. What about Greg Roman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblah Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 12 hours ago, hputenis said: I would argue the exact opposite. Doug is the least creative offensive play caller I've ever seen. He'd be better in a situation where he handed those responsibilities to a brilliant offensive mind.........someone like Frank Reich. He's proven he can lead a team and get his players to compete and play their asses off for him. He just needs to let go of the play calling. play calling is one thing and game planning and play design is another. i would argue that game planning has been terrible. Doug is not able to game plan. However, i think he knows when to call the right plays if he has someone spoon feed him the game plan and play design. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglz1 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 12 hours ago, birdman#12 said: If they get rid of Pedersen, they may as well get rid of Wentz......with his issues, learning another offensive system certainly won't help. Not to mention, the new HC may want to draft his own guy... Eagles starting to feel like the old browns........revolving door of coaches and QBs......... If they really do fire Pedersen, then they have to go all in for Eric Bienemy....I'm sure he'll have a lot to say about keeping Wentz or Hurts. Only thing about Eric Bienemy is how much of an offensive coordinator is he really? I'd suspect Andy has quite a bit of input there. Wasn't Doug Andy's 'offensive coordinator' before Bienemy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 37 minutes ago, eglz1 said: Only thing about Eric Bienemy is how much of an offensive coordinator is he really? I'd suspect Andy has quite a bit of input there. Wasn't Doug Andy's 'offensive coordinator' before Bienemy? Nagy ... Doug before Nagy. Nagy isn't exatly lighting it up in Chicago either. Yeah if we were to hire a new HC, I'd steer clear of any more OCs from KC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, time2rock said: Nagy ... Doug before Nagy. Nagy isn't exatly lighting it up in Chicago either. Yeah if we were to hire a new HC, I'd steer clear of any more OCs from KC. Agreed. I want someone outside of the Reid tree. Whole different mindset. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philafan4o8 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Funny how Howie does not get called out by the media. They are focused on Wentz and Peterson but Howie is the weasel that needs to be canned first and foremost 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 13 hours ago, birdman#12 said: If they get rid of Pedersen, they may as well get rid of Wentz......with his issues, learning another offensive system certainly won't help. Not to mention, the new HC may want to draft his own guy... Eagles starting to feel like the old browns........revolving door of coaches and QBs......... If they really do fire Pedersen, then they have to go all in for Eric Bienemy....I'm sure he'll have a lot to say about keeping Wentz or Hurts. Learning a new offense may be just what he needs Browns are finally good lol though they actually stick to the run unlike Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman#12 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: Learning a new offense may be just what he needs Browns are finally good lol though they actually stick to the run unlike Doug That may be true......if he has cleared up his head.......I think all of Wentz's issues are his head.....whether it's a confidence thing or he sustained some cognitive damage from that concussion. But we've seen new coaches who discard 1st round QBs because he "isn't the guy" or doesn't fit the offensive scheme the new coach runs. If the eagles fire Pedersen, It would probably benefit Wentz to leave Philly and start his career over elsewhere, as much a I would hate to see that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madriver Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 This "we're a passing league now" is overhyped nonsense. It always has been and always will be a running league. You MUST run the football to set up the pass in most cases and that has not changed. Teams have begun to figure out KC and Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Tua and pretty soon Murray and Hurts. We have got to get back to smashmouth football to be a success---you know, kinda like what we did in 2017 when we won the SB with a RB who picked up 8 yards on almost every first down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said: Agreed. I want someone outside of the Reid tree. Whole different mindset. Same here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipples Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 If Doug goes, they need to let the new HC decide on the QB. If he wants to go with Hurts, then they need to do what they can to trade Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vileborg Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Nelson Agholor 38 Rec 635 Yards and 7 TDs Our top pass catcher? Feltham, 33 rec 467 yards 4 TDs Remember when JJAW lit it up in pre-season with McCown? Maybe there is more than Doug's offense that just didn't work under Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 IMO - you don't throw out the baby with the bath water. 2020 is not the type of season where you make a monumental shift in the organization based on team performance on the field. It's a f'd up year in so many ways that it should just be considered a wash. Why not follow the 2017 model and give the HC a stacked coaching staff and roster? Wanna bet that if Wentz was properly coached up by somebody other than Press Taylor, and if the roster was seeded with talent, that we would not be talking about a coaching change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Procus said: IMO - you don't throw out the baby with the bath water. 2020 is not the type of season where you make a monumental shift in the organization based on team performance on the field. It's a f'd up year in so many ways that it should just be considered a wash. Why not follow the 2017 model and give the HC a stacked coaching staff and roster? Wanna bet that if Wentz was properly coached up by somebody other than Press Taylor, and if the roster was seeded with talent, that we would not be talking about a coaching change? I’m more interested in a Howie change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblah Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Procus said: IMO - you don't throw out the baby with the bath water. 2020 is not the type of season where you make a monumental shift in the organization based on team performance on the field. It's a f'd up year in so many ways that it should just be considered a wash. Why not follow the 2017 model and give the HC a stacked coaching staff and roster? Wanna bet that if Wentz was properly coached up by somebody other than Press Taylor, and if the roster was seeded with talent, that we would not be talking about a coaching change? Its up to the Coach to decide his coaching staff. He got a ton of offensive minded coaches this offseason including good 'ol Marty Morningweg (spelling). Doesn't seem like its helping at all. I think the issue has been compounded by Wentz's bad play but its not like player are running wide open here. They still haven't figured out how to screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblah Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/17/2020 at 4:51 AM, Vileborg said: Nelson Agholor 38 Rec 635 Yards and 7 TDs Our top pass catcher? Feltham, 33 rec 467 yards 4 TDs Remember when JJAW lit it up in pre-season with McCown? Maybe there is more than Doug's offense that just didn't work under Wentz. who did we have when we won the superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, jblah said: who did we have when we won the superbowl? We had the best OL in the league, a top three TE. A dynamite three headed monster running the bowl. A Pro Bowl caliber WR in Alshon Jeffrey, and lights out QB play. There's a reason why the Eagles won the SB in 2017 - good roster and good coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, jblah said: Its up to the Coach to decide his coaching staff. He got a ton of offensive minded coaches this offseason including good 'ol Marty Morningweg (spelling). Doesn't seem like its helping at all. I think the issue has been compounded by Wentz's bad play but its not like player are running wide open here. They still haven't figured out how to screen. Dougie did not hire all of the coaches on his staff when he got the HC job in 2016. Jim Schwartz was not a DP hire - he was a Lurie hire. I would replace Schwartz and stock the offensive staff with a top tier OC and QB coach before I'd fire Dougie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Well, Doug sucks so there's that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanh8 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 If by "Fall Guy" you mean dead weight that will be out of a job in a few months then yes I agree with this thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglz1 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 2:33 PM, nipples said: If Doug goes, they need to let the new HC decide on the QB. If he wants to go with Hurts, then they need to do what they can to trade Wentz. They're going to have to do the new coach thing pretty quickly to minimize the cost of trading Wentz. He has a large payment due on what, the 3rd day of the league year? Middle of March sometime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devaster Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 7:00 AM, jblah said: I think i would like to go outside of the AR coaching tree this time. What about Greg Roman? lol. His offensive schemes tend to fall off after about a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 3:09 AM, Infam said: I don't see it. I see a Mr. Roseman that went from "The Wizard" to someone that did some mistakes. Not even close to be fired in my book too. And we clearly are not the laughing stock either. Besides a million injuries this team always battled. Nowhere close to the Jets (laughing stock) or even Dallas, who pretty much were talking about the superbowl before reality hit them. I think it's enough at this point to be fired. The team having a million injuries is partly his fault for loading the roster with old, injury prone players. He's gotten us into cap hell. He's botched multiple drafts. He got bent over by Wentz's agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infam Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 7 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said: I think it's enough at this point to be fired. The team having a million injuries is partly his fault for loading the roster with old, injury prone players. He's gotten us into cap hell. He's botched multiple drafts. He got bent over by Wentz's agent. Million Injuries is just unreal. He gets a guy like Malik Jackson, who never is injured and the moment he gets here he is out for a year.. So far his handling of the cap has been amazing every year. That maybe he didn't plan for a global pandemic and is now in trouble is silly. Still, can't think of a better guy to handle our cap-mess. Draft was up and down. Some busts some playmakers. Room to improve for sure, but fired? Come on. When the Wentz contract was done, everyone was all for it. And now what? if he gets traded the other team pays 25M a year and can cut him after two. That is a really tradable contract. Now if he (when everyone was 100% on Wentz) gave him a contract that was really screwed, we'd get nothing. This could really be a first, because of it. So to sum it up: Still above average performance. Just not Manager of the year anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xstonr Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I'm thinking Doug will be here next year. He hasn't lost the team and the players still want to play for him. But he needs help calling plays that are more creative so I hope Lurie tells him that and brings in some Offensive help. Howie needs to just concentrate on crunching the numbers and let someone else draft players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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