16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ok that doesn’t make the pick any better. They didn’t have to go linebacker with that pick whatsoever. Furthermore instead of taken hurts they could’ve went linebacker and then where they were picking in the third take a backup QB. So either way it was a bad pick 

And the point would be what? No pick would have made a difference this season.

Most years it's your 2nd and 3rd year players who are the key to success, not rookies.

If Taylor and Bradley join Edwards and Singleton to make this an above average group next season, the draft was a great success, if they're cut by year 3, it's a failure.

And what backup QB that could actually play could they have taken instead of Hurts, the next Thorson? Eason #122, Morgan #125, Fromm #167, never took a snap and may never take a snap.

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And the point would be what? No pick would have made a difference this season.

Most years it's your 2nd and 3rd year players who are the key to success, not rookies.

If Taylor and Bradley join Edwards and Singleton to make this an above average group next season, the draft was a great success, if they're cut by year 3, it's a failure.

And what backup QB that could actually play could they have taken instead of Hurts, the next Thorson? Eason #122, Morgan #125, Fromm #167, never took a snap and may never take a snap.

Who cares it’s a backup and hurts clearly showed he wasn’t capable of keeping them afloat. So Eason probably is bad but it wasn’t saving them like you needed anyway. So it didn’t matter if it was round 2 or 3. So you were basically wasting one year anyway of that cheap backup due to being a rookie and not ready to save you. Great two cheap years of a competent backup then you need to trade him then start over again or pay him and it’s not cheap 

big if. that might never happen and they are likely JAGs as late round picks. If you count on late round picks like Bradley and edwards (udfa) to be starters you tend to have a bad roster. So you do that and you’ll stay 4-11-1 or worse. And edwards is a below average non passing down linebacker on a good team. he’s likely a backup on a good team. Not a starter  Taylor might never be anything. They didn’t have the luxury to draft a project there and wait on him for 2-3 years with poor decisions they had made  

Ok Dave. Whatever spin you want to make. You are right no other pick at 53 or in the third would’ve made a difference. Not a olineman. Not a corner. Not a linebacker available at 53. Wow the amount of spin you come up with is amazing. you come with this crap earlier about howie was pretty honest. Meanwhile he said the same crap as last year. Like nearly the same wording. And was completely not honest at all. I don’t need to hear your Dave spadaro type spins. You just bow and applaud to everything the eagles do literally every time. Just change your name to Dave already. 

18 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I see a little bit of the Jeremy Maclin paradox with Reagor.  And Maclin went on to have a very good career.

Maclin was considered one of, if not THE fastest and most explosive weapons in all of college football.  He was basically likened to a taller and stronger Desean Jackson.  And if you watch what he did in college, I get it.

Then he ran a very disappointing 40 after being hyped as a 4.2 guy.  In the NFL, even pre-injury, he never ran with the same swag or explosion that he showed in college.  He looked like one of those guys (like Desean or Tyreek Hill) who might move full speed in any direction at any second before instantly taking off and leaving an entire defense in his wake.

In the pros?  He never had that gear.  He was a smooth athlete and a productive WR.

Likewise...Reagor...he had a bit of that look to him in college.  We can say what we want about that pick now, but he really moved close to that level on tape.  IMO, Ruggs and Hamler were the only other guys in this draft that showed that.  

And in the pros, almost immediately just like Maclin, it seems that gear isn't there.

There has been a couple of occasions in recent games where I've thought Reagor was Maclin - just in terms of style, etc.  It doesn't help wearing the same number.

Singleton is fine as a LB - very replaceable, but like Ward, it's up to others to take his spot.  No use complaining about him being there, it's up to the team to replace him.  I was pleasantly surprised to see him play as well as he has - I thought he was Nate Gerry lite who was only good enough for the CFL.  Turns out it's the other way around 😁

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

RGIII was never the same after his knee injury.  Then it spiraled down from there.  He wasn't the same because he couldn't do the same things he had done. It started with a physical problem.  But, physical problems can lead to mental ones.    I never called RGIII fragile, nor Lance.  But... when you run as a QB, you open your body up to extra punishment.  It rarely lasts long.

 

As for Singleton... that's quite the indictment on the LB corps.  But, I'd say that Hicks and Nigel Bradham were far better upgrades when they were brought in.  

Hicks was probably the last decent pick on the defensive side of the ball for the team.  I think you could argue Mills but Mills has never been anything other than JAG.  Hicks played at an above-average level.  They should have kept him over investing more money in the d-line.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Hicks was probably the last decent pick on the defensive side of the ball for the team.  I think you could argue Mills but Mills has never been anything other than JAG.  Hicks played at an above-average level.  They should have kept him over investing more money in the d-line.  

Kept him and he keeps getting injured? Don't we have enough of those kinds of players?

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Hicks was probably the last decent pick on the defensive side of the ball for the team.  I think you could argue Mills but Mills has never been anything other than JAG.  Hicks played at an above-average level.  They should have kept him over investing more money in the d-line.  

I don’t blame them for allowing him to walk. He got a great contract from the cardinals and with injuries the eagles couldn’t afford to match that. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Hicks was probably the last decent pick on the defensive side of the ball for the team.  I think you could argue Mills but Mills has never been anything other than JAG.  Hicks played at an above-average level.  They should have kept him over investing more money in the d-line.  

He was an oft-injured player they decided not to give big money to...  unlike so many others.  And ironically, he's been healthy since then, but the injuries continue here.   Makes you wonder why there are so many injuries here year after year.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was an oft-injured player they decided not to give big money to...  unlike so many others.  And ironically, he's been healthy since then, but the injuries continue here.   Makes you wonder why there are so many injuries here year after year.

Obviously we sold our soul for a Lombardi trophy lol 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Obviously we sold our soul for a Lombardi trophy lol 

You know... the funny thing is, people used to say that they'd take 10 years of irrelevance for one Lombardi.   Seems that was just empty chatter.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was an oft-injured player they decided not to give big money to...  unlike so many others.  And ironically, he's been healthy since then, but the injuries continue here.   Makes you wonder why there are so many injuries here year after year.

Kind of surprised there hasn't been any anonymous sources complaining about how they're always getting injured

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Kind of surprised there hasn't been any anonymous sources complaining about how they're always getting injured

Wasn't there something about Jordan Matthews?

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ok that doesn’t make the pick any better. They didn’t have to go linebacker with that pick whatsoever. Furthermore instead of taken hurts they could’ve went linebacker and then where they were picking in the third take a backup QB. So either way it was a bad pick 

I don't know whether it's a bad pick in the long-term.  Taylor did nothing to help the team this past season.   I think Taylor is a good athlete that should continue to be on an NFL roster.  It''s not a Pumphrey like pick.  He's not shown much promise at the position where he was drafted and that's an issue. He wasn't able to perform well when given opportunities other than on STs.  I didn't like the Hurts pick.  I still don't like the Hurts pick.  I would rather he not be on the roster and Wentz had a bad year because then you understand taking a QB at 6 and trading Wentz.  Taking a QB may be the best move if they have to move on from Wentz.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t blame them for allowing him to walk. He got a great contract from the cardinals and with injuries the eagles couldn’t afford to match that. 

Instead they signed Malik Jackson and he blew out his toe after one game.  

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know whether it's a bad pick in the long-term.  Taylor did nothing to help the team this past season.   I think Taylor is a good athlete that should continue to be on an NFL roster.  It''s not a Pumphrey like pick.  He's not shown much promise at the position where he was drafted and that's an issue. He wasn't able to perform well when given opportunities other than on STs.  I didn't like the Hurts pick.  I still don't like the Hurts pick.  I would rather he not be on the roster and Wentz had a bad year because then you understand taking a QB at 6 and trading Wentz.  Taking a QB may be the best move if they have to move on from Wentz.  

Taylor might work out down the road. However that’s not even a given that he ever gets the chance to start as he’s that much of a project. In the third round i don’t need complete projects. That’s what your late round picks are for. 

also saying there was no other position out there that couldve helped this year is a complete BS spin job. Yes there was at other positions like oline so you don’t have to play guys like opeta, brown and pryor. Or corner so you didn’t just hand maddox who’s been awful the job. 

agree on the hurts and Qb topic. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Instead they signed Malik Jackson and he blew out his toe after one game.  

I hated that signing as well. Said it the day they signed him it was a bad contract. I thought that one was stupid based off the contract they gave him to secure him and how he played in 2018 for the jags and his age. He could just be on the decline. 

 I’d not have signed either. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wasn't there something about Jordan Matthews?

You're right

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763063-jordan-matthews-really-bad-diagnoses-by-eagles-doctors-caused-injuries

 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wasn't there something about Jordan Matthews?

I believe something with acho too 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Instead they signed Malik Jackson and he blew out his toe after one game.  

yup. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I hated that signing as well. Said it the day they signed him it was a bad contract. I thought that one was stupid based off the contract they gave him to secure him and how he played in 2018 for the jags and his age. He could just be on the decline. 

 I’d not have signed either. 

Malik was pretty darn good this year though. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wasn't there something about Jordan Matthews?

Acho has ripped the medical staff a few times. There was some other guy on D that did too, along with Matthews.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Taylor might work out down the road. However that’s not even a given that he ever gets the chance to start as he’s that much of a project. In the third round i don’t need complete projects. That’s what your late round picks are for. 

also saying there was no other position out there that coildvd helped this year is a complete BS spin job. Yes there was at other positions like oline so you don’t have to play guys like opeta, brown and pryor. Or corner so you didn’t just hand maddox who’s been awful the job. 

agree on the hurts and Qb topic. 

I think pick 103 in the draft is not historically a place where you find starters.  I think the odds of finding a starter with a 3rd round pick are usually below average.  Certainly not many rookies are starters.  I think we can hindsight the pick all we want.  However, you can't say with any certainty that there was a player of greater need that was available at that spot they should have or would have taken.  In contrast, they should have taken McLaurin or Metcalf over JJAW.  

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Malik was pretty darn good this year though. 

Still not worthy of the amount they were paying him. Also don’t think he’s was as good as he was earlier in the season. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think pick 103 in the draft is not historically a place where you find starters.  I think the odds of finding a starter with a 3rd round pick are usually below average.  Certainly not many rookies are starters.  I think we can hindsight the pick all we want.  However, you can't say with any certainty that there was a player of greater need that was available at that spot they should have or would have taken.  In contrast, they should have taken McLaurin or Metcalf over JJAW.  

I’ll disagree you don’t find starters in the first 100 picks. 3 spots away doesn’t change it for me. They might never become a good starter but they are usually not complete projects who barely played football or the position til college. 

The need was great. However you also could’ve taken a linebacker at 53. which is how that discussion started. And waited to take a backup QB if you were making the argument they only selected hurts to be a back up. Why i believe it’s also BS that was the main reason they drafted hurts was simply a cheap backup. Still point remains the eagles imo had a huge need at CB as well. I wish we had the old board. I stated maddox nor jones should be given or relied on to start. A corner would’ve been a huge help. 

Let's look at some winning teams/roster building:

Buffalo

QB Allen #7-18, RB Singletary #74-19, WR Beasley UDFA-12 Dal, FA, WR Davis #128-20, WR Diggs #146-15 Min, FA, OT Williams #102-15, CAR FA, OG Dawkins #63-17, C Morse #49-15 KC FA, OG Feliciano #128-15, SFA, OG Winters #72-13 NYJ FA ($3M), OG Boettger UDFA-18

DE Hughes #31-10 IND trade, DT Oliver #9-19, DT Butler #30-16 CAR, FA, DT Jefferson #147-16 SEA, FA, DE Murphy #47-14 WASH FA, DE Addison UDFA-11, FA, LB Edmunds #16-18, LB Klein #148-13 CAR, FA, CB Hyde #159-13 GB, FA, SS Poyer #218--13 PHL, FA, CB White #27-17, CB Wallace UDFA-18, CB Johnson #121-18, S Marlowe UDFA-15 CAR

Bunch of FA and SFA and late round picks and UDFAs, not a lot of players drafted in the top 100. And no rookies

KC

QB Mahomes #10-17, RB Edwards-Helaire #31-20, WR Hill #165-16, WR Robinson, #126-16, Watkins #4-14 Buf, WR Hardman #56-16, WR Pringle UDFA-18, TE Kelce #63-13,  TE Keiser, UDFA-20, OT Fisher #1-13, G Allegretti  #216-19, C Reiter #222-15, OT Reimers UDFA-13, FA, OT Wylie UDFA-18, Kilgore #163-11 FA

DE Clark #63-15 FA, DT Jones #37-16, DT Nnadi #75-18,  DE Kpassagnon #59-17, LB Wilson #125-15 FA, Hitchens #119-14 FA, LG Gay #63-20, LB, Nieman UDFA -18, CB Breeland  #102-14 FA, SS Mathieu #69-13 FA, FS Sorenson UDFA-14, CB Ward UDFA-18

More draft picks and a couple rookies, but also a number of UDFAs.

GB

QB Rodgers #24-05, RB Jones #182-17, WR Adams #53-14, WR Valdes-Scantling #174-18, WR Lazard UDFA-18, TE Lewis #28-06 FA, TE Tonyan UDFA -18, OT Bakhtiari #109-14, G Jenkins #44-19, C Lindsley #167-14, G Patrick UDFA-17, OT Turner #67-14 FA,

DE Lowry #137-16, DT Clark #27-16, DT Lancaster UDFA-18, DE Keke #150-19, DE Gary #12-19, DE Smith #38-15 FA, LB Kirksey #71-14 FA, Smith #38-15 FA, Smith #122-15 FA, CB Alexander #18-18, CB King #33-17, CB Clark UDFA-18 (PHL), SS Savage #21-19, FS Amos #142-15 FA

GB also likes to draft its own, but look at all the UDFAs and FAs.

Point is don't overrate the draft, you can build quickly in the NFL with the right FAs, SFAs, UDFAs and draft picks, it's not the picks you miss that matter, but the ones on which you hit.