7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well you know Lowie, they have to gas light the fan base into everything is roses. The cap needs to go through a rebuild just like the team does.

Oh of course they’re going to spin it. That’s what they always do. I don’t necessarily fully buy in that they believe they’re in a full rebuild. I think they believe it has to be rebuilt but not to the extent that everyone else sees it. I think they probably believe the division is so bad that they can compete next year

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t say they have nobody. You still have goedert and mailata Who are free agents at the end of next season. Also Miles Sanders is eligible for a new contract at the end of next year. I wouldn’t re-sign Sanders but I’m guessing the Eagles are. So that’s three guys are going to have to sign. Add on I’m guessing you’re likely going to want to add players into the fold even if you’re in a rebuild who are young and that you think are good fit long-term. Even in 2013 off-season they added long-term pieces during that supposed rebuild. They did the same thing in 2017. So they’re not gonna just not add guys because you’re in a rebuild. They tend to add guys who are younger who they think they have years with

JMO...I also would not re-sign Sanders.  I'd make him the centerpiece of the offense in 2021 (never do that with a RB, but we have no passing game), jack up his value, and look to trade him next offseason.

Mailata...his back history is real.  But I'm on the bandwagon for sure.  Even if we had all the cap space in the world, I'd look to re-sign him after 2021, not now.  He needs to prove he can play 13+ games at a consistent level.  If he doesn't do that next year, he's getting a backup level deal.  And if he's a stud, well, it'll be pricey, but he's young and they can get one guy in.  After the last several years, the Eagles need to let some guys prove it in the last year of their deals.

Goedert similar situation to above.  They are probably going to lose him if they prioritize paying Mailata.  Not to mention, we are a dumpster fire and he may look for greener pastures anyway.

I personally wouldn't spend much money on outside FA's until I knew I had my QB.  That would be my threshold for when to go in again on spending money.

So our cap situation isn't causing us to lose too much.

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

A post I made a few weeks ago that is relevant for this thread and people acting like Wentz as terrible as he is now would be a better option as QB than Hurts in 2021:

 

 

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I feel Wentz is the better option because we have a new coaching staff, new system, new scheme.  If Doug was still HC then Wentz being QB would be a waste.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

So like coming off the bench and winning the SEC Championship is a bad look.

Going to Oklahoma and running that offense on the same level as two QBs picked #1 (Murray, Mayfield) is a bad look.

Last year he was in an impossible situation, coming off the bench with an OL in tatters, inexperienced receivers and a HC who was clueless.

Let's see what Sirianni and Johnson can do with him.

Will you say the same if they keep Wentz and say hes the starter? 

11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Its not hope.  It's my opinion based off what I've seen from Hurts thru out his career, college and pro as well as Wentz.

I cant sit here and say Wentz is done based off 1 terrible year when I've seen him play well and really well at that.  QBs can bounce back too you know?  

 

What is the historical comparison of a player dropping off as bad as Wentz has at this point in his career and he has bounced back?

Just now, 315Eagles said:

I feel Wentz is the better option because we have a new coaching staff, new system, new scheme.  If Doug was still HC then Wentz being QB would be a waste.

 

So is it correct then to say that you feel like Doug was the most accountable person for Wentz's play last season?  That it was the direct result of coaching and not of Wentz himself and how he was playing and the decisions and throws and mistakes that he was making?

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

JMO...I also would not re-sign Sanders.  I'd make him the centerpiece of the offense in 2021 (never do that with a RB, but we have no passing game), jack up his value, and look to trade him next offseason.

Mailata...his back history is real.  But I'm on the bandwagon for sure.  Even if we had all the cap space in the world, I'd look to re-sign him after 2021, not now.  He needs to prove he can play 13+ games at a consistent level.  If he doesn't do that next year, he's getting a backup level deal.  And if he's a stud, well, it'll be pricey, but he's young and they can get one guy in.  After the last several years, the Eagles need to let some guys prove it in the last year of their deals.

Goedert similar situation to above.  They are probably going to lose him if they prioritize paying Mailata.  Not to mention, we are a dumpster fire and he may look for greener pastures anyway.

I personally wouldn't spend much money on outside FA's until I knew I had my QB.  That would be my threshold for when to go in again on spending money.

So our cap situation isn't causing us to lose too much.

Also have to sign sweat or barnett as well. I’d ideally like one back if not both. I would also say i can’t see the eagles letting goedert just walk away unless his asking price is outrageous. 

even still if wentz isn’t traded (unlikely) they are much more strapped even if you release DeSean, jeffery, malik and Goodwin. 

I’d go after young players that can be depth guys tbh. They are going to need to build up the roster even with the draft. I try to find a good portion of my starters via the draft. However i think you need FAs to help built up depth and likely add a starter or two even without the QB. I think you’d like to have your team built up and ready to go when you do get the QB you want to go forward with. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So is it correct then to say that you feel like Doug was the most accountable person for Wentz's play last season?  That it was the direct result of coaching and not of Wentz himself and how he was playing and the decisions and throws and mistakes that he was making?

Both were to blame.  Wentz didnt play well. Doug didnt coach well.  Neither one liked each other.  What could go wrong?

 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Both were to blame.  Wentz didnt play well. Doug didnt coach well.  Neither one liked each other.  What could go wrong?

 

 

Both were to blame but the blame for Wentz's struggles fall far more on Wentz himself.  

 

Wentz hates the GM.  What could go wrong about him coming back to play here and compete against another QB who has the support of the young players on the team?

 

Also what is the historical comparison for you that makes you believe that Wentz can turn it around after being as terribly bad as he was last season?  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Both were to blame but the blame for Wentz's struggles fall far more on Wentz himself.  

 

Wentz hates the GM.  What could go wrong about him coming back to play here and compete against another QB who has the support of the young players on the team?

 

Also what is the historical comparison for you that makes you believe that Wentz can turn it around after being as terribly bad as he was last season?  

Didnt Favre have a bad season where he had 18-18, right after they drafted Rodgers.  He bounced back the next year.  Tannehill was bad, went to a new coaching staff that used him differently, been playing pretty good, wouldn't you say?

I dont know if Wentz will bounce back.  I'm not saying it's a lock to happen.  Just my opinion that I think he can.  If he doesnt then oh well.  But I dont know.  Hurts can be the starter next year and throw for 50 TDs or he could throw for 50 interceptions. Who knows?

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Didnt Favre have a bad season where he had 18-18, right after they drafted Rodgers.  He bounced back the next year.  Tannehill was bad, went to a new coaching staff that used him differently, been playing pretty good, wouldn't you say?

I dont know if Wentz will bounce back.  I'm not saying it's a lock to happen.  Just my opinion that I think he can.  If he doesnt then oh well.  But I dont know.  Hurts can be the starter next year and throw for 50 TDs or he could throw for 50 interceptions. Who knows?

Actually favre his first season after drafting rodgers went 4-12 with 20 tds and 29 ints. His second year he was 8-8 with 18 tds and 18 ints 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Actually favre his first season after drafting rodgers went 4-12 with 20 tds and 29 ints. His second year he was 8-8 with 18 tds and 18 ints 

Did he bounce back?

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The offense moved the football better with Hurts and there was a visible uptick in the energy and pace with Hurts in...basically went from the efficiency of rolling a triangle to a square.

1 read and run was exactly what Hurts was.  And the more critical the situation and longer the distance, the quicker he quit on the read(s) and took off.  That’s just a horrible decision to build around.

For a rookie...bad decisions, fumbles, int’s...you can aspire to cleaning that up.  But why commit to a guy who clearly believes his arm is the second best way he can move the football?  

It didn't...erase the Saints game from your mind where the D set up the first 17 points and the O had to move a grand total of 70 yards maybe to acquire those points.

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Yes, when they don't win for years. Do two rebuilds, the second one culminating in a SB victory and you get a lot more slack than say Grigson in Indy, where he did a rebuild, made the playoffs three times, then the team flatlined and missed the playoffs for two seasons, going 8-8. Given he had a healthy Luck in 2016, they went a different direction.

Howie has to deliver, if this team isn't clearly on the upswing by 2023, he's on thin ice. The next two seasons are all about accumulating young talent and clearing out dead money.

 

Afan...seriously going back to the old boards and whatnot I know you're a stalwart around here, but Luck hasn't been healthy since week 6 of his rookie season.  Hence why he retired...

2 hours ago, RLC said:

We saw Hurts and Wentz in the same offense with the same personnel and Hurts was demonstrably better.

Worse...stat and film wise, but ok.  I really need to change my SN back to ferris so I don't get painted as a Wentz washer.

I really don't get how anyone could watch Hurts and Wentz and come to the summary that Wentz was better. Sorry but I just don't get that. Wentz was literally the worst starting QB in the NFL. 

4 hours ago, greend said:

He was 1 read and run. To me that's not a better qb and not sustainable. 

I'd rather a QB who's 1 read and run over no read and sacked / fumbled... 😉

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Right, based on last year.  But we're starting a whole new year, new coaching staff, new offensive system.  I still feel Wentz can be a very good QB but his problem is mental.  A new coach can do wonders for that and I dont think he will continue to play as bad as he did in 2020.  He wont ever be the 2017 Wentz but he can be a good QB.

Who knows. I tend to agree that Wentz won't be as bad as he was in 2020 and I agree that probably 2018/19 is his ceiling from here on out. That said, I just don't think Wentz has what it takes mentally. And I don't think he is worth the contract he's been given so to me it is better to start again. 

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

He was better running the ball.  He did give the team a little spark but those sparks lasted usually 1 half.

If Jalen is our guy then I will support him 100% but I was never a fan of his as a QB going back to his Alabama days.  I just dont know how good he is or can be as a passer and you need to be in order to be a successful QB in the NFL.  College you can get away with being an OK passer.  Wentz was awful last year but he's proven he can be a good passer.

I don't think Hurts is the long term answer for what it's worth. I think he's going to be a decent NFL QB but decent doesn't get you Super Bowls and make you contenders every year. I also don't think Wentz can be that guy either though. 

37 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So like coming off the bench and winning the SEC Championship is a bad look.

Going to Oklahoma and running that offense on the same level as two QBs picked #1 (Murray, Mayfield) is a bad look.

Last year he was in an impossible situation, coming off the bench with an OL in tatters, inexperienced receivers and a HC who was clueless.

Let's see what Sirianni and Johnson can do with him.

How about getting benched in the championship game?  Yet, his same numbers as Murray and Mayfield netted him a 3rd or later grade?  But Wentz wasn't in the same impossible situation?  Nice try, though.

We are going to see what Sirianni and Johnson can do with him. I am just not going to pretend that Saban and Riley didn't already try to develop his game or that they are worse than the coaching that he will get here (in the NFL). That's just silly, but it is the crux of your argument.

21 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Did he bounce back?

Yeah year 3. I believe he was 26 tds and 14 ints. Made nfc title game and lost to the giants 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

100%.  There is tons of film on his at premier destinations surrounded by the best coaching staffs at that level and the best talent at that level.   Those things may have created a mirage for some, but his short stint with mediocre talent and coaching was not good.  

Well keep in mind that he was borderline undraftable until his transfer...even then, statistically and tape wise he was average at best compared to recent OU QB's as of late. He also barely won the starting job by all accounts after his transfer.

52 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So like coming off the bench and winning the SEC Championship is a bad look.

Going to Oklahoma and running that offense on the same level as two QBs picked #1 (Murray, Mayfield) is a bad look.

Last year he was in an impossible situation, coming off the bench with an OL in tatters, inexperienced receivers and a HC who was clueless.

Let's see what Sirianni and Johnson can do with him.

Wentz coming off a pretty major injury, cold in the playoffs...then winning the NC is a bad look?

Getting thrusted into the starting role with minimal reps last minute as a rookie and looking competent?

Wentz started the season in an impossible situation as well.

 

15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'd rather a QB who's 1 read and run over no read and sacked / fumbled... 😉

Hurts had 9 fumbles to Wentz 10 while Wentz played 3x the amount of games. Fumbles isn’t a thing to hang your hat on with Hurts 

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Who knows. I tend to agree that Wentz won't be as bad as he was in 2020 and I agree that probably 2018/19 is his ceiling from here on out. That said, I just don't think Wentz has what it takes mentally. And I don't think he is worth the contract he's been given so to me it is better to start again. 

To me that's his issue.  Talent is there.  Feels like the Philly media and fans are too much pressure for him.  Sirianni has to get him confident and comfortable so he can play well.  If he doesn't then the fans and media will continue to tear him apart.