11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That's why they hired Sirianni. 

If a team makes a significant offer for Wentz then they most likely move him.  If not, he will be the QB for the Eagles in 2021.  Just my thoughts.

 

Nothing that we have seen since the end of th season indicates that they hired Sirianni I specifically for Wentz. 

 

And if they can't find a trade partner and I agree that he will be the QB in 2021.  But that won't be because he will be the best option for the Eagles. It will be purely about what he is being paid and trying to see if there is anyway he can bring his value back from the dead. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Probably.

  The only other issue, imo, is if Wentz will work hard enough to get his career turned around here in Philly.  If he stays. he will need to let bygones be bygones, accept the coaching from the new coaching staff and understand that there could be "open competition" for the starting QB role come camp time.  And he should do it for himself...because if he has another sub-par season in 2021, it will undoubtedly hurt his image around the league and his career as a whole.

 

He has to come into this season like it's his rookie season and 'start from scratch' and be willing to learn.  It's easier done in a new setting on a new team, but if he can do it here then he has the chance to solidify into the franchise elite level QB or plays well enough that an ish load of teams show interest and come a calling with trade offers too good to refuse should the rumoured mutual parting of the ways still be desired.  He needs a full reset (mostly mentally) after this nightmare season to get back on track either way.  It would seem Sirianni and his staff are capable of providing him the opportunity and environment.  Whether him and the FO feel that way as well is unknown.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

 

Anyone think Dillard nets something of value worth trading this time around if they believe Mailata to be the anchor at LT?

I think Dillard comes in and competes for the starting LT position although Mailata likely wins it.   That said, I don't think trading a solid backup/swing tackle (given the amount of injuries this team has had on the o-line the last several seasons) is worth it.. since I doubt the Eagles would get decent value.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Probably.

  The only other issue, imo, is if Wentz will work hard enough to get his career turned around here in Philly.  If he stays. he will need to let bygones be bygones, accept the coaching from the new coaching staff and understand that there could be "open competition" for the starting QB role come camp time.  And he should do it for himself...because if he has another sub-par season in 2021, it will undoubtedly hurt his image around the league and his career as a whole.

 

Yes - the best for thing for Wentz (regardless of here or somwhere else, but speaking of here) is to ball out. If then he still wants to go elsewhere it will be easier to move him. But as they say, winning is the best deodorant. I've a feeling that however he actually feels right now - it will be moot if the Eagles are successful with him at QB.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it’s easy to just say you cut or bench guys when it could wind up being half the team or a quarter or ten guys and you’re not gonna cut or bench half the team. It’s easy if it’s one or two guys however it could wind up being More players than you think.  Add on you have a rookie head coach. I do not think that’s something you want your rookie head coach to deal with on top of everything else he’s experiencing for the first time. 

the fan part is true. However you already seen now before all this trade stuff the whirlwind of why doesn’t he talk and then the massive amount of speculation. That takes a toll on a team and player over time when they are asked about routinely 

Bench 1 the rest will follow.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'd rather a QB who's 1 read and run over no read and sacked / fumbled... 😉

How about 1 thats read and run and still fumbles.

Sucks Howie butchered Lane's contract.  We could have traded him for a 1st and 3rd.  By the time we are good again in 3 years, Lane will be completely broken down.

3 hours ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Love how all the football geniuses and psychics on here know how good Hurts will be after playing 1/4 of his rookie season.

Not saying he showed greatness but give the kid a chance. 

 

Posted 2 hours ago

   3 hours ago,  EaglePhan1986 said: 

Hurts:

Floor - Tebow 

Ceiling - Case Keenum with Taysom Hill running ability 

 

He has a stronger arm than Case too  Maybe you don’t know this about Case

NCAA recordsEdit

As of the end of the 2019 college football season, Keenum holds the following NCAA individual records:^[36][37]

• Most career pass completions: 1,546
• Most career passing yards: 19,217
• Most career passing touchdowns: 155
• Most career games with 300+ passing yards: 39
• Most games with 300+ passing yards in a single season: 14 (tied with Tulsa's Paul Smith)
• Most seasons passing for 5,000+ yards: 3
• Most seasons passing for 4,000+ yards: 3 (tied with four others)
• Most career total yards: 20,114
• Most career touchdowns responsible for: 178

Case did well given his opportunities in the NFL.  I would take that with better athleticism for three years from Hurts. I didn’t like the Hurts pick and labeled him a one read and run QB coming out of college.  But he can read progressions, he was just trained to use his feet. Can he lose the habit of running?  McNabb did.  He is reasonably accurate, which is why Case, an UDFA the same age as Foles and cowpads OC, managed to eek out an NFL career.   

The thing is, the offense needs to target the QB read strengths.  Riley’s did for Hurts.  The funny thing is, I suspect the same offense would work for Wentz.   Doug loved his horizontal spread offense.  Extremely difficult for a QB to read, especially when the tandem of Doug and Press ate most of the clock getting the play in, allowing for very little motion. Look at 2017.  Wentz was killing it on mesh plays, crossing routes and undiagnosed screens.  But Doug won a Super Bowl with an RPO because he changed things up for Nick and caught most of the defenses off guard because most of the 2017 film was Carson playing a different offense.   So Doug converted to the offense that won him a Super Bowl.  

And he forgot how much the running game was part of the 2017 offense.  He forgot the Blount aspect.   He has consistently been one RB shy in his offense since.  Sproles was overused so he misused Scott some.  Scott is great as the scatback.  But that’s a change of pace back. Although, Boobie is a more complete back it isn’t a one for two deal.  Eagles need a bigger back.  I thought Warren might be a good option but Eagles moved on. Not convinced Holyfield is the answer.  This draft should have some 3rd day/UDFA 220 -230 pound backs.  Like Stevie Scott, for example.  Not Blount but still some level of size and cutting ability. Decent in pass pro.  

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Those mock drafts simulators are so unrealistic , they allow you to draft players who have no shot at lasting that long.

They can be fun with some of the ridiculous trade options.  But I really don’t see the purpose in posting results on here.  It is kind of like posting someone’s Madden results. 

I'm neither a Wentz Washer or an Anti-Wentz guy.  I want the best quarterback for the Eagles.  First things first.  Yes, Carson Wentz was the worst quarterback in the NFL last year.  However, I'd bet that it was an off year and not what to expect from Carson down the road.  

I think the concussion in the playoffs left a lot of fans thinking here we go again, another injury and they forgot the year he had to get them there.  4,000 yards, 27 TD and 7 ints without a single receiver going over 500 yards on the year.  He was only sacked 37 times in 2019 but the big thing was still the fumbles.  

Now, 2020 was a straight up mess.  A lot of it does fall on the shoulders of Carson but let's not ignore the other factors.  DP did Carson no favors whatsoever in helping him break out of a funk.  He also didn't call plays that would help Carson survive behind the likes of Jamon Brown and Matt Pryor.  A head coach needs to know that his quarterback is playing poorly and to simplify things to help him get back on track.  Feed the ball to your super talented running back.  Move the pocket (like DP suggested he should do but didn't), don't run screens to Greg Ward and so on.  I'm not making excuses for Carson, he sucked.  But a good HC should have noticed that and helped him out.  DP also could have pulled Carson much earlier than week 13 to get his mind right.  

 

There were 3 things we knew would happen that would make Jalen Hurts look good. or have success.

-A dumbed down playbook

-Players playing with a spark for the backup

-His running ability

The only reason Jalen Hurts looked better than Carson was because of his running ability.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.  Yes, that added some excitement to what I consider one of the most boring offensive years ever of Eagles football but it did not make him a better quarterback than Carson Wentz.

 

I think the majority of us agree that 2021 is going to be a bad year.  4-6 wins at most.  I would much rather take a gamble that Carson can get back on track than trade him when his value is at its lowest and then watch him go to another team just go regain his 2017-19 form.   

I also think while there might be some truth to the Carson doesn't want to be here stuff, we still have yet to hear 1 statement....just 1 from Carson stating his displeasure.  Think about that for a minute.  All of these guys in the media feeding us trade information, compensation, interested teams and saying it was imminent are the same guys telling us Carson hates the Eagles.  Clearly, whatever information they are being fed isn't 100% true.  Why should we have any faith in them being right on Carsons unhappiness when they can't even produce factual reports on a trade.   I'm sure there's some truth to Carson not being happy but I do have some doubt that the relationship is trash and Carson wouldn't play for the Eagles again. 

Unless a team offers 2 1sts or a 1st and multiple players, I don't trade Carson.   

 

56 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And Miami purposefully tanked for a year in 2019 with a rookie HC. Also Miami had cap space and werent 60 mil over nor did they have an old expensive roster with their older players exiting or at the end of their prime as they began their rebuild. And it took them a complete season with their rookie coach to get on the right track. Furthermore it took 3 seasons of below .500 to get to 10-6. So means the eagles would have 2 more to go. Eagles coming off a bad year will have a rookie head coach. drafting the last two years that hasn’t been very fruitful and have aging veterans exiting their prime on big contracts. Nor can they sign players like Byron jones at the moment to help out  

so great it took the Dolphins 3 below .500 seasons to get to 10-6. And nailed their head coach whereas the eagles are a complete question mark there, older roster, no cap and since 2016 been the second worse drafting team. Didn’t have Adam Gase  destroying the roster for bringing them to where they were and then keep him on board. We have 1/2 the guys still in place that got to the point of where we are. Dolphins redid everything. 

We've already had the first bad season and are picking #6.

All those young Dolphin players were added in the last couple years for the most part, with a few holdovers. But notice it's not a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders, it's a mix, some high picks, some later picks, some UDFAs, some SFAs. A good rebuild shouldn't take more than 3 years to completely revamp the roster if you use every avenue to add talent.

Which is why I've always pointed to 2023, the roster will be filled out with young players by then, and they'll have the cap room to add 3-4 starters (hopefully guys 25-27 on their second contract).

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts had 9 fumbles to Wentz 10 while Wentz played 3x the amount of games. Fumbles isn’t a thing to hang your hat on with Hurts 

It was a joke bud let's chill here. 

24 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I think Dillard comes in and competes for the starting LT position although Mailata likely wins it.   That said, I don't think trading a solid backup/swing tackle (given the amount of injuries this team has had on the o-line the last several seasons) is worth it.. since I doubt the Eagles would get decent value.

Make sense, though Dillard has not established himself as a serviceable LT (he is even worse at RT).  To improve, he needs PT and snaps in practices and games.  As a back-up, it is not the best way to get him up to speed.  Mailata is ahead and should be the starter at LT. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Wondering why some have said this only because some reporters have claimed it? 

I don't even think it comes down to the reports. Look at his actions. After 2017 he seemed to feel like he needed to press more in games and prove himself over Foles. Then he doesn't react positively on the field after they drafted Hurts and now he seemingly wants out of Philly? For what reason? Because he doesn't feel he's been supported enough?

Wentz Washer or Squirts for Hurts, choose your side and fight 

23 minutes ago, greend said:

How about 1 thats read and run and still fumbles.

That's a tougher call! 😁

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It was a joke bud let's chill here. 

? I’m plenty chill, just pointing out Hurts fumbles are concerning

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We've already had the first bad season and are picking #6.

All those young Dolphin players were added in the last couple years for the most part, with a few holdovers. But notice it's not a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders, it's a mix, some high picks, some later picks, some UDFAs, some SFAs. A good rebuild shouldn't take more than 3 years to completely revamp the roster if you use every avenue to add talent.

Which is why I've always pointed to 2023, the roster will be filled out with young players by then, and they'll have the cap room to add 3-4 starters (hopefully guys 25-27 on their second contract).

Again i also believe 2023 is the goal. However unlike you i don’t trust the person making the picks as the last 5 years and particularly the last 3 haven’t exactly been fruitful and a let down based off what they’ve actually gotten out of them besides a selected few. We disagree on why they got here. You believe all in for SB run. I believe they made foolish moves to put themselves in that position due to poor drafting which led to less than stellar trades and some and contracts 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

? I’m plenty chill, just pointing out Hurts fumbles are concerning

I was making a joke I wasn't being serious. 

29 minutes ago, greend said:

Bench 1 the rest will follow.

Or you have a locker room dynamic that creates a bigger fracture  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or you have a locker room dynamic that creates a bigger fracture  

That's exactly what I think would happen. If they went with Wentz that could cause some issues in the locker room and that ends any chance Hurts has as ever being considered the starter in Philly. If they go Hurts well that just doesn't really seem like an option does it. 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Those mock drafts simulators are so unrealistic , they allow you to draft players who have no shot at lasting that long.

yeah, when I play with them I just ignore those ridiculous unrealistic scenarios and pretend the player isn't there to try and make it a little more realistic.

Off topic, Daytona 500 is today...not a NASCAR fan but just saw something that I never knew.  Dale Earnhardt's accident was the last lap of the race.  Man that's pretty unbelievable and just horrible luck.  Also, if it weren't for his accident they probably don't develop the HANS device to help drivers survive neck/head injuries.  You wonder if his death has actually saved countless lives afterwards.  I know racing guys either love or hate Dale (kind of like our Wentz/Hurts debate!).  

28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't even think it comes down to the reports. Look at his actions. After 2017 he seemed to feel like he needed to press more in games and prove himself over Foles. Then he doesn't react positively on the field after they drafted Hurts and now he seemingly wants out of Philly? For what reason? Because he doesn't feel he's been supported enough?

1-  he needed to press more in games and prove himself over Foles.

How did he do that? I said it hundreds of times, He was not ready. They brought him back way to quick. Sure Carson will say hes ready, its the teams decision to make that choice. A player will always want to play and think he is ready when hes not. Min 1 year recovery from his surgery. Avg is a year and half. He came back in 8 months. On top of that he was playing on a fractured back. If you look at his 2018 stats they are not even bad. Our Defense killed us that year. What did he do after the full year and a half? He had a nice comeback and was the reason they played well enough in the last part of the season to even make the playoffs. Carson himself had a very good year in 2019. 

2- he doesn't react positively on the field after they drafted Hurts

No one played well last year, including Hurts when given the chance. Hurts only ran the ball better. his turnovers, throwing etc were not good. The entire team failed and a QB can not do it on his own. yes that helps Hurts case as well. You need the Oline to block, you need recs to get open and you need your coach to design a game plan to the strengths on the team on the field. he had zero support, neither did Hurts and we saw him have the same failures.

3-  now he seemingly wants out of Philly?

Do we have a link that shows Carson saying that? Not a reporter writing a tweet or article that he "thinks" Carson wants out? No one has been able to produce that. Its all speculation.