1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I believe there was also a report that the Eagles didn’t do as much research as he should have done because they didn’t expect him to be around when they were picking at the bottom of the first round

I assume you mean Dillard? I believe I heard that also. 

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I assume you mean Dillard? I believe I heard that also. 

Yeah dillard. 

Notice Ertz has come to his senses:

"I’m not someone to hold grudges by any means,” Ertz said the day after the 2020 season ended. "I truly love everything this organization stands for and a lot of because Mr. (Jeff) Lurie, Howie (Roseman) and Doug (Pederson) run it a certain way. Obviously, it is a business. This has kind of been my first taste of that business. So for me I’ll never hold a grudge. Everyone’s trying to do their job to the best of their ability, just like I am each and every week, and I’m excited about the future.”

The balance for the Eagles has always been the tension between loyalty and "family," and the reality that it is a business, and moves that help the team often hurt players, or at least disappoint them. Players tend to overestimate their talent, because that kind of self-confidence is essential for success, so there's often acrimony until a few years later when the player can distance himself from "being fired" and take a broader perspective.

After the SB, I think loyalty override business, and last year was a slap in the face. it's tough to tell guys who had that peak experience with you that the party's over.

55 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If they trade Dillard it's such an indictment on Howie, how the F does this dude have a job if they dump a 1st round pick they traded up for this soon?

"Listen we try to be aggressive and sometimes it just doesn't work out for an assortment of reasons. We like the process that went into selecting Andre with our first but at this time we feel it's the best move for our process right now." or some other BS. 

6 hours ago, downundermike said:

Explain how he looked better ??  He led the team to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions.  1 being a short field after a turnover.

Moved the chains more often, more scoring opportunities 

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Lane isn't done yet.  And I strongly believe that Dillard is a bust. 

He’s as done as it gets.  Everyone will see.

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Lane isn't done yet.  And I strongly believe that Dillard is a bust. 

My biggest gripe with Dillard is he's already going on 26 and has played in what, 5 games and we still have no idea what he is.  Meanwhile, Mailata at 23 playing his first football ever showed signs of dominance.  I know there's still a lot of work for Mailata but it isn't even close between them if you ask me. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He’s as done as it gets.  Everyone will see.

???

How could you possibly be so definitive?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

He’s as done as it gets.  Everyone will see.

 

He's 30 years old and when he can play he's a top RT in the league.  Last year he got injured in training camp and tried to play through it all year and it didn't work out. His career might end up being shorter for a quality tackle but I still think we get at least 2-3 more years out of him.  You don't need his replacement in the roster right now and it sure as hell isn't Dillard since he can't play RT and I don't want to move Mailata from LT to RT because he looks like a potential physical beast at LT. 

 

If they can get value for Dillard they should take it.  Clears up a little bit of cap space as well. 

Dillard is an example of people not tempering expectations, it was understood when he was drafted he would need a year to add strength and develop pro blocking techniques because of the unusual blocking in the Wash State offense. Howie knew he had one more season of Peters at LT, and he was still above average in 2019, to buy time for the rookie.

Dillard enters the NFL with a ton of experience but unfortunately the Washington State scheme translates poorly to what he’ll be asked to at the next level and his learning curve is fairly steep considering the new techniques he will have to learn. I like his ceiling, particularly in pass protection, but he’s more of a developmental prospect than his physical upside and resume suggest.”

And this shows you why you should take preseason reports with a grain of salt:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-practice-notes-day-9-andre-dillard-remains-concern-at-lt/

Mailata is a concern and JJAW looks great. Oh well.

As far as trade rumors:

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/philadelphia-eagles-nfl-draft-live-blog

21 to 11 is 450 points, or #45, the fact that Howie didn't bite says he values Dillard higher than that, and the fact that Douglas wanted to "steal" him says he thinks he can start in the NFL.

As far as Stoutland being on board:

The Eagles have been impressed with Dillard for a long time, especially since his performance at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama this winter. Douglas credited senior director of college scouting Anthony Patch and West Coast area scout Ryan Myers for their work on Dillard. And offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland is apparently infatuated with the newest Eagle. It sounds like there might have been some table-pounding from Stout on this one and the Eagles put a lot of stock into his evaluations. Roseman said Dillard has gotten the highest-badge of Stoutland praise: he calls him an "unusual" player. 

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/eagles/2019_nfl_draft__how_and_why_eagles_traded_up_for_ot_andre_dillard_phi/200354/

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

My biggest gripe with Dillard is he's already going on 26 and has played in what, 5 games and we still have no idea what he is.  Meanwhile, Mailata at 23 playing his first football ever showed signs of dominance.  I know there's still a lot of work for Mailata but it isn't even close between them if you ask me. 

 

Yeah Mailata looks like his early hype of when he was drafted of being this massive physically dominant and athletic tackle if he could learn the game as a professional is now fully possible.  I've always believed in him and he absolutely exceeded my high expectations for him finally getting to play in some games.  I think he makes a huge leap in year two and will be in All Pro/Pro Bowl talk within the next 2 years. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Dillard is an example of people not tempering expectations, it was understood when he was drafted he would need a year to add strength and develop pro blocking techniques because of the unusual blocking in the Wash State offense. Howie knew he had one more season of Peters at LT, and he was still above average in 2019, to buy time for the rookie.

Dillard enters the NFL with a ton of experience but unfortunately the Washington State scheme translates poorly to what he’ll be asked to at the next level and his learning curve is fairly steep considering the new techniques he will have to learn. I like his ceiling, particularly in pass protection, but he’s more of a developmental prospect than his physical upside and resume suggest.”

And this shows you why you should take preseason reports with a grain of salt:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-practice-notes-day-9-andre-dillard-remains-concern-at-lt/

Mailata is a concern and JJAW looks great. Oh well.

As far as trade rumors:

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/philadelphia-eagles-nfl-draft-live-blog

21 to 11 is 450 points, or #45, the fact that Howie didn't bite says he values Dillard higher than that, and the fact that Douglas wanted to "steal" him says he thinks he can start in the NFL.

As far as Stoutland being on board:

The Eagles have been impressed with Dillard for a long time, especially since his performance at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama this winter. Douglas credited senior director of college scouting Anthony Patch and West Coast area scout Ryan Myers for their work on Dillard. And offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland is apparently infatuated with the newest Eagle. It sounds like there might have been some table-pounding from Stout on this one and the Eagles put a lot of stock into his evaluations. Roseman said Dillard has gotten the highest-badge of Stoutland praise: he calls him an "unusual" player. 

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/eagles/2019_nfl_draft__how_and_why_eagles_traded_up_for_ot_andre_dillard_phi/200354/

I'm sorry but just another example of a horrible use of draft picks by Howie.  Trading up in the 1st for a guy you know isn't going to play AND has to add strength and develop to be productive.  That's way too much for me in a 1st rounder you trade up for.

You trade up for guys who you know are going to make in impact.  Look at our defensive end situation.  Montez Sweat SURE WOULD HELP.  

19 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Moved the chains more often, more scoring opportunities 

That just doesn’t bear out in the facts.  
 

With Wentz at QB for the first 11 games the Eagles scored 237 points = 21.5 ppg

With Hurts at QB for the last 4 games the Eagles scored 81 points = 20.3 ppg

The GB game you can chop up how you like; Wentz put up 3, Hurts 7, and Reagor 6 on PR

The best the team looked offensively with Hurts at QB was against ARI at 26 points.  Wentz put up 29 against PIT when they were unbeaten, and 28 against BAL

 

If Hurts had played demonstrably better in his 4 games I’d be looking forward to what he can do next season.  He just looked like a bottom-tier starter.  Hopefully he can make a big jump if he’s the QB in 2021 .... I sure wouldn’t bet a nickel on it.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm sorry but just another example of a horrible use of draft picks by Howie.  Trading up in the 1st for a guy you know isn't going to play AND has to add strength and develop to be productive.  That's way too much for me in a 1st rounder you trade up for.

You trade up for guys who you know are going to make in impact.  Look at our defensive end situation.  Montez Sweat SURE WOULD HELP.  

I don’t really care what he is or what he isn’t. However I do know this is the second consecutive off-season we have heard rumors come out that they’re interested in packaging him in a deal or trading him. That usually makes me believe that the Eagles might not be as high on him anymore as a once were when they drafted him. Yes he got hurt last year however last off-season there was a ton of rumors about the Eagles potentially trading him on draft night to move up in the draft or get draft picks back. So we’re now two consecutive off-season there’s rumors about him being on the trading block and how the Eagles could trade him. That doesn’t scream confidence in dillard. You can spin there any way you want to but there was a reason why the last two off-season he’s been mentioned as a possibility that they trade away.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm sorry but just another example of a horrible use of draft picks by Howie.  Trading up in the 1st for a guy you know isn't going to play AND has to add strength and develop to be productive.  That's way too much for me in a 1st rounder you trade up for.

You trade up for guys who you know are going to make in impact.  Look at our defensive end situation.  Montez Sweat SURE WOULD HELP.  

Howie was looking at Peters with one year left, and Lane with growing injury concerns. You don't wait until you HAVE to draft a LT and hope one is available, if one is the BPA a year early. Because he had Peters, he had the luxury of taking a great athlete who needed a year to transition to the pro game. On a bad team, Dillard would have started at LT, given up a dozen sacks and settled in his second season. That's happened with numerous OL over the years who were forced to play before they were ready.

At the time, Mailata's future was anyone's guess. And Stoutland loves him some athletic linemen who can get out and block on the second level, that's the key to a great screen game.

I think the future is Dillard at LT, Mailata at RT for this decade, much like Peters at LT and Lane at RT the last decade.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t really care what he is or what he isn’t. However I do know this is the second consecutive off-season we have heard rumors come out that they’re interested in packaging him in a deal or treating him. That usually makes me believe that the Eagles might not be as high on him anymore as a once were when they drafted him. Yes he got hurt last year however last off-season there was a ton of rumors about the Eagles potentially trading him on draft night to move up in the draft or get draft picks back. So we’re now two consecutive off-season there’s rumors about him being on the trading block and how the Eagles could trade him. That doesn’t scream confidence in dillard. 

A lot of these "rumors" are just reporters throwing crap at the wall and see what sticks, oh, Mailata has the inside track at LT, so that means Dillard is on the block.

What you're not reading is the Eagles are actively shopping Dillard.

Is Howie listening to offers? Of course, every GM listens to offers for every player he has.

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

At lot of these "rumors" are just reporters throwing crap at the wall and see what sticks, oh, Mailata has the inside track at LT, so that means Dillard is on the block.

What you're not reading is the Eagles are actively shopping Dillard.

Is Howie listening to offers? Of course, every GM listens to offers for every player he has.

Again spin it anyway you want. There were heavy rumors the day before the draft and before the draft that they were shopping him. So whatever way you want to spin that was reported by Nfl network and a bunch of other reporters last off-season leading into the draft and during the draft.  And here we are a year later with more rumors circulating around him. So could just be reporters throwing stuff against against the wall however it could be known around league circles that the Eagles are not as high as they once were on him.

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie was looking at Peters with one year left, and Lane with growing injury concerns. You don't wait until you HAVE to draft a LT and hope one is available, if one is the BPA a year early. Because he had Peters, he had the luxury of taking a great athlete who needed a year to transition to the pro game. On a bad team, Dillard would have started at LT, given up a dozen sacks and settled in his second season. That's happened with numerous OL over the years who were forced to play before they were ready.

At the time, Mailata's future was anyone's guess. And Stoutland loves him some athletic linemen who can get out and block on the second level, that's the key to a great screen game.

I think the future is Dillard at LT, Mailata at RT for this decade, much like Peters at LT and Lane at RT the last decade.

 

 

 

The Eagles didn't even really scout Dillard.  They admit they never tslekd to him or did much work at all on him. He was dropping for a reason.  His strength is not nearly good enough to play in the NFL and I doubt how much that is going to improve with him tearing his biceps.  There have also been a number of stories and hints from the beats that the Eagles have major concerns on his mentality and if he can handle playing at this level.  I remember a story of him being very emotional on the sidelines after a fight in training camp and Roseman and a player and a coach having to talk to him and calm him down for a really long time and it was just a very strange thing for the reporters to see.  Then he basically quit in the media heading into the game he had to play RT just saying how bad he is at it.  No confidence.  

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He's 30 years old and when he can play he's a top RT in the league.  Last year he got injured in training camp and tried to play through it all year and it didn't work out. His career might end up being shorter for a quality tackle but I still think we get at least 2-3 more years out of him.  You don't need his replacement in the roster right now and it sure as hell isn't Dillard since he can't play RT and I don't want to move Mailata from LT to RT because he looks like a potential physical beast at LT. 

 

If they can get value for Dillard they should take it.  Clears up a little bit of cap space as well. 

Your absolute first sentence defending Lane needs to include that.  What more do you need to know?  His body is quitting.  It happens at different ages for different people.  
 

That ankle won’t allow him to play more than 8 games per season by 2022.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

The Eagles didn't even rally scout Dillard.  They admit they never tslekd to him or did much work at all on him. He was dropping for a reason.  His strength is not nearly good enough to play in the NFL and I doubt how much that is going to improve with him tearing his biceps.  There have also been a number of stories and hints from the beats that the Eagles have major concerns on his mentality and if he can handle playing at this level.  I remember a story of him being very emotional on the sidelines after a fight in training camp and Roseman and a player and a coach having to talk to him and calm him down for a really long time and it was just a very strange thing for the reporters to see.  Then he basically quit in the media heading into the game he had to play RT just saying how bad he is at it.  No confidence.  

There was also the concern with him coming out about his mentally toughness. His dad and former coaches both have said he nearly quit in high school and then again in college. On top of all that no one knew where he was as a run blocker. Because Washington state didn’t really run the football all that much so there was a big unknown about how he turn out as a run blocker. It was assumed that Jeff stoutland could turn that around

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There was also the concern with him coming out about his mentally tough enough. His dad and former coaches both have said he nearly quit in high school and then again in college. On top of all that no one knew where he was as a run blocker. Because Washington state didn’t really run the football all that much so there was a big unknown about how he turn out as a run blocker. It was assumed that Jeff stoutland could turn that around

That's why he dropped, his pass blocking and workouts were those of a top ten OT.

Age doesn't really matter at LT, if you're a good enough athlete.

To me, it comes down to Stoutland, if he thinks he can turn Dillard into a top LT, you keep him, if Stoutland sours on him, you move him.

And if Stoutland wants to draft someone, I trust his judgement, he's got the track record.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's why he dropped, his pass blocking and workouts were those of a top ten OT.

Age doesn't really matter at LT, if you're a good enough athlete.

To me, it comes down to Stoutland, if he thinks he can turn Dillard into a top LT, you keep him, if Stoutland sours on him, you move him.

And if Stoutland wants to draft someone, I trust his judgement, he's got the track record.

 So being 24 compared to a 20-21 doesn’t mater? Because he was 23-24 he should physically be more advance then a 20-21 year old. He wasn’t. he dropped due to mental toughness red flags, run blocking questions, strength and the fact he was also an older prospect. 

Again it could be that stoutland doesn’t think after a year working with him that he can turn him into why they envisioned and that’s why they want to potentially deal him. Again two consecutive offseasons he’s been on the block. There were rumors before anyone knew mailata would play like he did in his first starts 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's why he dropped, his pass blocking and workouts were those of a top ten OT.

Age doesn't really matter at LT, if you're a good enough athlete.

To me, it comes down to Stoutland, if he thinks he can turn Dillard into a top LT, you keep him, if Stoutland sours on him, you move him.

And if Stoutland wants to draft someone, I trust his judgement, he's got the track record.

 

I don't see how Dillard would be capable of being a better LT than Mailata. He looks like a child next to Mailata.  He isn't even close as athletic as Mailata.  And form what we have seen he isn't even good as a completely raw getting his first taste Mailata.  And have you heard Mailata speak? The guy wants to be the best American footballer that he can be.  He has that drive.  He's always the first lineman over to help up the QB or a RB or anyone on the ground.  

 

Moving Mailata out of LT where he can be dominant just so that you can try to force Dillard to be usable then that would be a mistake. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 So being 24 compared to a 20-21 doesn’t mater? Because he was 23-24 he should physically be more advance then a 20-21 year old. He wasn’t. he dropped due to mental toughness red flags, run blocking questions, strength and the fact he was also an older prospect. 

Again it could be that stoutland doesn’t think after a year working with him that he can turn him into why they envisioned and that’s why they want to potentially deal him. Again two consecutive offseasons he’s been on the block. There were rumors before anyone knew mailata would play like he did in his first starts 

But there are no substantive rumors this year, just a reporter speculating you could throw him into a Wentz deal to get a 1st. That's throwing crap.

A real rumor is some other team reporting that he's being shopped around and the Eagles are looking for a high 2nd or low 2nd and another pick. Haven't seen that.

Now Ertz is different, everyone knows he's going to be shopped, one year left, team is rebuilding. Howie would be happy to get a late 3rd or 4th rd pick.

On the other hand, you don't hear anything about Graham or Slay, because they're not being shopped, however, if someone calls with an offer Howie can't refuse . . .

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't see how Dillard would be capable of being a better LT than Mailata. He looks like a child next to Mailata.  He isn't even close as athletic as Mailata.  And form what we have seen he isn't even good as a completely raw getting his first taste Mailata.  And have you heard Mailata speak? The guy wants to be the best American footballer that he can be.  He has that drive.  He's always the first lineman over to help up the QB or a RB or anyone on the ground.  

 

Moving Mailata out of LT where he can be dominant just so that you can try to force Dillard to be usable then that would be a mistake. 

The days of the blind side are over, as many top pass rushers line up over the RT, and Mailata also brings a physicality to run plays to the strong side (especially next to Brooks).

Now if Lane's ankle wasn't a concern, I'd think about trading Dillard, but I think Lane is on borrowed time. And Driscoll is better suited to guard.