15 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Agree, yet somehow he still ended up on the bench.  What does that say about the quality of coaching we had?

He didn't really end up on the bench. But the decision to start Peters over him early was awful.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's one of my big concerns.  Was that on DP or did Stoutland have say in that too.  I really think it was on DP.  His explanation that Mailata can learn more by sitting on the bench was one of the most head scratching things he said, and he said a lot of things that made me scratch my head.

I think it was on Howie.  Howie brought Peters back, Howie gave him to Peters' extortion to move to LT.  So, if Mailata was playing LT while Peters was healthy enough to play... then Howie was a fool in paying Peters.   So, Peters had to play LT when he was able, until it was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he couldn't do it anymore (or at least, couldn't do it better than Mailata).   

Mailata had a struggle against the Giants, right before Peters was healthy, so it was an easy sell... for Mailata to go 'gain some perspective from the bench'... even though he'd had that perspective for the last two years, and needed reps.   Mailata should have never been benched once he got on the field, and showed that he belonged on the field. But, I have no reason to believe that that decision wasn't influenced by Howie and his overreach and making sure that he could look better for paying Peters.

Love something like McLane loves promoting Wentz holding out.

10 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

WAS moved from #6 to #2 in the 2012 draft for a QB (RG3) — and it costed #6, #39, their 2013 1st round pick, and 2014 1st round pick.

The Jets moved from #6 to #3 in the 2018 draft for a QB (Darnold) — and it costed #6, #37, #49, and a 2nd round pick in 2019.

The Eagles had a far better roster in 2016 than they do now, and there’s no money available to sign any talent in FA for the next two years.  Throwing 4-5 draft picks away just to move up a few spots only gets you a young QB surrounded by nothing — like Darnold was.  Sit at #6 — if you can get a 1st round pick this season for Wentz you can think about using #6 on a QB — but the smarter play is trade back wherever possible, build young talent — then draft the QB when you’re in position to contend.

 

Eagles moved up from #8 to #2 in 2016 along with a 4th round pick and it cost #8, #77 (3rd), #100 (4th), a 2017 first and a 2018 second. 

 

I don't know if you remember but they completely gutted a lot of that roster from 2016 heading into 2016.  Who the hell were the Eagles surrounding Wentz with his rookie year?  DGB,  bust in Agholor and others.  

 

There is some young talent at the skill positions on offense for a young QB to grow with right now.  I would probably prefer to roll with Hurts and see what he has in year 2 but if they are sold on Wilson or Fields then go get one of them because if you don't have your QB in this league then you have nothing. 

22 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

He didn't really end up on the bench. But the decision to start Peters over him early was awful.

Agree.  Somehow he ended up off the field with a human turnstile in his place.

35 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

RE: Denver "rumors". 

 

For ish and giggles.

I would like to see something like this.  As I have said before, I do not like our spot at #6.  Either go all in and trade up if you love a QB.  Or do whatever you can to trade down, slightly.  Carson can help with that.  I a thinking Denver wouldn't want to include a player like Juedy, so it might cost us another pick.  

Our 1st (#6) and Carson Wentz

for

Denver 1st (#9) Jerry Juedy and Denver 2nd (#40)

I could see Denver doing that but not including Jeudy.  

42 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Agree, yet somehow he still ended up on the bench.  What does that say about the quality of coaching we had?

 

I don't know why anyone believes that the coaching staff is who was making that call.  We already know Howie had say over the gameday roster and who would play/start.

 

Howie caved and paid JP more to play tackle.  Howie was the one making the calls for JP to play over Mailata.  Howie was also the one making sure Alshon was playing over Fulgham because likewise Howie gave Alshon more money. 

41 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

RE: Denver "rumors". 

 

For ish and giggles.

I would like to see something like this.  As I have said before, I do not like our spot at #6.  Either go all in and trade up if you love a QB.  Or do whatever you can to trade down, slightly.  Carson can help with that.  I a thinking Denver wouldn't want to include a player like Juedy, so it might cost us another pick.  

Our 1st (#6) and Carson Wentz

for

Denver 1st (#9) Jerry Juedy and Denver 2nd (#40)

We should do that deal in a heartbeat. 

36 minutes ago, RLC said:

Mailata/Sweat are pretty straight-forward negotiations. They're still projections, so they can secure themselves now and protect them from injury. Given Sweat/Mailata's background, that matters.

Goedert will be tough, given his production when Ertz is off the field. He could argue he's a top 10 TE.

 

In theory with Goedert but he had plenty of chances without Ertz on the field this past season but did little with it. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I could see Denver doing that but not including Jeudy.  

DEN would need to give up two 2nd round picks just to move from #9 to #6, so yes, I’m sure they’d love to fleece Howie for just #40 — and get a franchise QB included free of charge 

Speaking of the 2018 class, here are some draft results.

Keep in mind that the Eagles picked last and had 5 picks. The formula doesn't use draft slot, so even though picking 1st is easier than 20th, it doesn't normalize the scores.

- Eagles rank 13th in value per player
- Eagles rank 30th in total value

Essentially, the players the Eagles drafted were good but because only 5 were drafted the total class value was poor. Given that they drafted last in each round, they actually did a good job in 2018.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Where are you getting the cost to move from #9 to #6 is two 2nds?

It depends if #6 represents the last first round-graded QB or not.  DEN is very unlikely to trade from #9 to #6 without drafting a QB in mind.  If they are, including Wentz would not be part of the trade in any event.  
 

If it’s not for a QB the price would be a 3rd round pick, and that trade would be on draft night — long after Wentz will have already been traded

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Agree, yet somehow he still ended up on the bench.  What does that say about the quality of coaching we had?

Asked...

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Nothing. I'm sure it was Stoutland's decision and it made sense at the time, Peters was healthy, outplayed Mailata for two games (Mailata's head was probably swimming) and gave the kid time to absorb what he had been facing on the field. When Mailata played again, he took his game up a notch.

Progress by young players is rarely linear, it's often one step back, two steps forward for a time. Sometimes a guy is in a rut, making the same mistakes, sitting a kid for a couple games can give him a chance to put things in perspective.

...and answered.

I seriously doubt either Pederson or Howie would override Stoutland's judgment on who to draft or who to play, Stoutland and Mudd are elite OL coaches, and it would take a lot of chuzpah to tell either of them how they should build an OL.

When Peters was healthy for two games (before he injured his toe) he was a better LT than Mailata, the problem the last couple years with Peters has been health, he's still an above average athlete with a decade of experience, it's just that his body is breaking down. Mailata was making a lot of mistakes the first half of the season, from setting his feet wrong to playing too high in his stance - which is not surprising, given his lack of experience. With the Eagles in the playoff run, and Wentz getting beat up, it was a no brainer for Stoutland.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Bumping the prediction.

Report: Frank Reich Believes the Colts ‘Could Build Around’ Eagles QB Carson Wentz—If Traded to Indy

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/2/13/22281335/report-frank-reich-believes-the-colts-could-build-around-eagles-qb-carson-wentz-if-traded-to-indy

This is all what Caplan thinks. If Frank Reich said something like that, he would be found to be tampering.  Could lose a draft choice for that kind of statement.  Putting it in quotes is unethical in my view because it suggests Reich not Caplan said it. 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is all what Caplan thinks. If Frank Reich said something like that, he would be found to be tampering.  Could lose a draft choice for that kind of statement.  Putting it in quotes is unethical in my view because it suggests Reich not Caplan said it. 

Yeah, and it's pretty obvious what's happening. Indy is the best fit for Wentz on a number of levels, but Ballard is trying to lowball Howie.

Howie could simply screw Wentz by trading him to Chicago or another team for the best offer, but he's waiting to see if Indy will match his best offer, or come close, and do right by both the Eagles and the kid. If Howie was the **** some make him out to be, he'd simply move Wentz to the highest bidder and not play this waiting game, and when the kid failed in a bad situation, crow about how he was right to dump him. Sending him to Indy has the most potential to make Howie "look bad," but that's not the holdup, Ballard is the holdup.

11 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Asked...

...and answered.

Nice lawyering.

Shots fired

To all my birdbrain friends.

Stay inside if you can and be safe.

This cold is nothing to joke about.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Shots fired

Meh, NO and Philly followed similar strategies, if your window is closing, go all in. So did the Rams, and they doubled down by trading for Stafford.

You reload when you have a solid young core, but some veterans have slipped, so you take one step back then two steps forward.

You rebuild when your best players are in their 30s and there's "no future."

When you finish a rebuild, you should have a young, deep roster that allows you to add a few FAs in their prime years, then reload in 3-4 years when you have to readjust your roster as young players approach their 3rd contract.

6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

To all my birdbrain friends.

Stay inside if you can and be safe.

This cold is nothing to joke about.

I'm heading out in 10 minutes for a run. It's in the 20s here though

18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is all what Caplan thinks. If Frank Reich said something like that, he would be found to be tampering.  Could lose a draft choice for that kind of statement.

Publicly? Yes.

Privately? No, that's not tampering.

Quote

 Putting it in quotes is unethical in my view because it suggests Reich not Caplan said it. 

It's implicit in the term report, but it's what Reich allegedly stated behind closed doors...

"He (Reich) explained, I’m told by Colts’ sources that once they got into their free agent meetings, this is a guy they could build around.”

1 minute ago, greend said:

I'm heading out in 10 minutes for a run. It's in the 20s here though

The high here is forcast to be 4 today.

Not a big deal when i lived in Caribou Maine

In southern Missouri its a big deal.

Listening to NFL Radio this morning Charlie Weis said that he would need a satisfactory answer as to why Zach Wilson was not one of the team’s offensive captains last season.  Apparently the players vote on 4 captains, and Zach Wilson wasn’t one of them.  I would agree you’d think the starting QB should be one of those guys.

He also said he believes the Patriots should draft Mac Jones at #15, so there’s that ....

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Meh, NO and Philly followed similar strategies, if your window is closing, go all in. So did the Rams, and they doubled down by trading for Stafford.

You reload when you have a solid young core, but some veterans have slipped, so you take one step back then two steps forward.

You rebuild when your best players are in their 30s and there's "no future."

When you finish a rebuild, you should have a young, deep roster that allows you to add a few FAs in their prime years, then reload in 3-4 years when you have to readjust your roster as young players approach their 3rd contract.

None of that matters if you dont have a QB

Unless you have ravens ,bears ,bucs type D...one of all time great type