1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nah.....I want it all to work out.  But I think it's gone too far down the track.  Take the two 2's and move on.  Or we can wait to see if someone get's desperate in camp, ala Bradford.  But that wouldn't help us for 2021.  

I'd rather have 2022 picks.  For any vets we try to unload, Wentz, Ertz, or otherwise, if talks are at a stalemate, I'd be offering to take 2022 compensation instead.

All of the top talent will have actually played football...against each other...for a full season.  Just easier to scout, less of a crap shoot.

When we screw up this draft, you just know that Afan will say, well, crap happens.  You were scouting a COVID impacted college season.  Some teams got lucky, some didn't.

I'd rather look for 2022 draft capital, both because it's easier to scout and because teams may be a little more willing to part with it.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Big Ben retiring would be a very good outcome for us.

In what way? I don’t see them as a Carson Wentz trade partner. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why cant he go to the Colts over sitting ??

If they match the Bears offer, then sure.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If they match the Bears offer, then sure.

I don't see how taking a lesser offer from the Colts is worse than keeping him and sitting him.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'd rather have 2022 picks.  For any vets we try to unload, Wentz, Ertz, or otherwise, if talks are at a stalemate, I'd be offering to take 2022 compensation instead.

All of the top talent will have actually played football...against each other...for a full season.  Just easier to scout, less of a crap shoot.

When we screw up this draft, you just know that Afan will say, well, crap happens.  You were scouting a COVID impacted college season.  Some teams got lucky, some didn't.

I'd rather look for 2022 draft capital, both because it's easier to scout and because teams may be a little more willing to part with it.

And if Howie hits a HR, you'll just say he got lucky.

Just now, downundermike said:

I don't see how taking a lesser offer from the Colts is worse than keeping him and sitting him.

Depends how much lesser, (2) 2nds and a 3rd would be fine, 1 2nd and a 3rd in 2022 would not be.

Just now, downundermike said:

I don't see how taking a lesser offer from the Colts is worse than keeping him and sitting him.

It's not.  It's emotional and semi irrational.  But emotions exist for a reason.  At some point, you tell someone to stop jerking you around and you don't just let them have their way.  If we are believing the reports, Wentz wanted a way out, found a way out, and then wanted to dictate where he went.  And some point you need to draw the line and stick him in purgatory for overplaying his hand.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You're asking me to give you reason on why Lowie does what they do?  You're asking the wrong guy.  I hate most of the ish they do.  I am not a fan of the HC hire.  But Carson is pissed and he wants out.  I think that much is pretty obvious.  I wouldn't trust Howie or Lurie and the direction if I were him.  I don't think Carson left meeting with Sirianni with a ton of confidence.  I am sure all of that and more comes into play.  I like Carson.  he's a good dude.  I like rooting for good guys.  I like Hurts too.  But why bring in a Reich guy and then trade Wentz?  Because it appears he wants out.  I don't know.  

 

No, I’m not. I’m asking you to acknowledge the reality that the HC pick screams we want to rehab Wentz and that howie isn’t exactly the first guy to admit a 140mil mistake. Wentz isn’t going anywhere. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So you believe there is a good chance Wentz is an Eagle next year?

Yup

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And if Howie hits a HR, you'll just say he got lucky.

 

Aren't you a lawyer?  I thought precedent was important. 

This is speculation.  See, he would need to have hit a HR before for you to know I've called it luck.  Since he literally never has, you are just guessing.

Since you have dismissed numerable botched draft picks and entire drafts as crap happens, we have precedent there.  

If Bowen's source is right and they go QB at 6, they need to trade Hurts too. I like Hurts, and I think he can be way better than many here think he will be. But this QB controversy stuff is so tired, man.

If Indy isn't giving up 1st rounder then better get Michael Pittman Jr. along with that 2nd rounder.  Grab Pitts at 6 and then Zaven Collins at 37

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

If Bowen's source is right and they go QB at 6, they need to trade Hurts too. I like Hurts, and I think he can be way better than many here think he will be. But this QB controversy stuff is so tired, man.

I agree on trading Hurts, not so much with the thought process that he can be acceptably good.  It's tricky to do so though.

No one wants to trade for a QB from a team that needs a QB.  If we don't want Hurts, no one is going to trade for him under the expectation or opportunity to develop a starter.  It's to be a backup.  And contrary to the nonsense spewed around here, no one pays 2nd round picks for backup QBs.  So we'd be in a position to trade a 2nd round pick for a 4 or 5 one year later.  Bad optics.

Instead, if they do even go QB at 6, they'll probably start Hurts early in the year until the new guy is ready.  That way, if Hurts actually impresses, maybe you trade him for more at that point.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

If Bowen's source is right and they go QB at 6, they need to trade Hurts too. I like Hurts, and I think he can be way better than many here think he will be. But this QB controversy stuff is so tired, man.

They need to add a QB if they do that. Would just have the draft pick at 6 and then no one. I’m guessing the eagles view it rather have hurts who’s cheap and 6th pick who’s relatively cheap then signing a veteran to decent money with the cap they have. I somehow think mccown is likely signed to just be the 3rd QB to be in that QB room. 

Just now, jwill2420 said:

There absolutely may be truth to that.  I don't believe anything coming from anyone in media reports.  For all I know, Wentz may be the villain deserving of hate, or may be that genuinely kind person.  

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

If Bowen's source is right and they go QB at 6, they need to trade Hurts too. I like Hurts, and I think he can be way better than many here think he will be. But this QB controversy stuff is so tired, man.

They need to trade Hurts because he’s not a franchise QB. If I was the Ravens or Bills I’d offer a 3rd and late day 3 pick for him. He’s going to have a great career as a high end backup/bridge QB

Wentz seems like he’d be a great fit for the culture of Pittsburgh but I don’t know if he’d be a good fit with Matt Canada given the rumors of Wentz being a bit of a brat to coach. Canada wants a QB to get the ball out of his hands quick. 

11 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Yes, too many people are trying to paint him as an evil villain, but there’s also too many people like this moral high ground rockstar trying to say he’s a helpless young fawn. He is set to make more money in the next two years than most of us will make in a lifetime. GTF over it 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You keep asking me to make sense or add reason behind what they do.  I won’t do that.  Because they don’t have reason.  They proved that when they drafted Hurts in the 2nd round after just extending Wentz.  I do think they they are realizing that they have a QB that doesn’t want to be here and if none of that were true then they and Carson would squash all of the talk about him being traded.  It wouldn’t have gotten this far.  

Cool didn’t read 

14 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yes, too many people are trying to paint him as an evil villain, but there’s also too many people like this moral high ground rockstar trying to say he’s a helpless young fawn. He is set to make more money in the next two years than most of us will make in a lifetime. GTF over it 

Pretty sure he's already made 10x more than any of us would make in 3 lifetimes! 

57 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't know who or what source to believe.  I have nothing personal against Wentz and a lot of these character attacks may be BS.  But if Chicago DID have a 1st and change on the table...and Wentz DID torpedo that because he doesn't want to go there...and Indy is only offering a 2...then I would probably cut off my nose to spite my face and let Wentz rot on the bench for the year.

I wouldn't. If he stayed I would make him compete to be the starter and that's without knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Can’t have it both ways.  Either Wentz wants out, or the Eagles have decided to move him.

If Wentz is dictating he won’t come back, the organization would owe him no favors.  He’s in no position to dictate ‘I don’t want to play there’ or ‘I’ll only play there’.  He’s 28, entering the first year of a 4-year mega contract — he’s not sitting out.

If Wentz wishes to return but the team has decided to move on, then they might consider a preferred destination for him — but it won’t affect what they will demand in trade compensation, and in the end will deal him to the highest bidder.   Either way, Wentz doesn’t have a no-trade clause and gets no input into where he’s dealt.  He’s also not in a position to sit out or refuse to report, so he will go play for whichever team trades for him.

You’re feeding off of the false narrative that Wentz is a malcontent.  Nothing in his actions or words should lead anyone to believe that.  It’s been quite the opposite.

Wentz can want out, and he can also exercise leverage to get where he wants to go.  Players have done this before countless times.  You are watching Watson attempt to do the same in Houston.  You just witnessed Matthew Stafford do exactly this... he explained that he had teams on his list and teams not on his list.  Why would it not be the same for Wentz?  Or any player with any value to other teams?

The report was that the Bears don't want Wentz if he doesn't want them.... that makes sense to me from the Bears perspective.  Whether it is true or not, that Wentz doesn't want the Bears, or prefers Indy, we don't know for sure, but multiple people have reported these things.  Nothing illogical or outlandish about any of these reports... and none have been refuted by Wentz, his agents or the teams involved.

You don't believe Wentz is a malcontent?  That would mean all of the reporting to date from so many different sources that his relationship with the Eagles is "fractured," that firing Pederson didn't change that, etc. would all be wrong.  It would also mean that there is a different set of reasons for Wentz completely refusing to speak or even issue any kind of statement.

I would ask what evidence exists that Wentz is at least "content" with the Eagles and would come back next season?  Has anyone reported that they actually heard that come from Wentz or his people?  Because I haven't seen that.  I've seen a few opinions saying they think he would come back, but everything leaked indicates he is done here.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

This is very believable, given Wentz's personality.

Watson's agent publicly asked for a trade. Wentz could easily do the same thing. Or he could say "I want to be an Eagle".

Exactly.  

I wish we knew more and could adequately judge whether Wentz is justified in feeling betrayed and wanting out.  I'm sure that Hurts pick had the predicted effect, but it was one of who knows how many factors.  No question, an unprecedented, franchise altering and very costly decision.  It's hard to get excited for the future with the same evaluators and decision makers in place.

54 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why cant he go to the Colts over sitting ??

Because he should go somewhere and be unhappy or sit here and be on the bench and get 35 million with no wear and tear on his body and we can lose whatever we could have gotten from Indy because we want what's best for the team.

45 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

If Bowen's source is right and they go QB at 6, they need to trade Hurts too. I like Hurts, and I think he can be way better than many here think he will be. But this QB controversy stuff is so tired, man.

If they draft a QB at 6 and Wentz is gone and Hurts still here. Hurts will start this year while the youngun studies film

1 minute ago, greend said:

If they draft a QB at 6 and Wentz is gone and Hurts still here. Hurts will start this year while the youngun studies film

This

 

Hurt gets traded next year. This gives the eagles time to increase Hurts trade value and get the rookie ready to play. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Pretty sure he's already made 10x more than any of us would make in 3 lifetimes! 

I think there’s some doctors in here so wanted to be conservative in my assumption