16 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

lol he threw one pass on the whole year.

I don't make the rules. 

Seeing all the latest media hot takes about Wentz's trade destination and the compensation, shows it is about as scientific as using an octopus to predict world events.  Most don't know ish and the longer it goes on, the more apparent it is.

I bet some people on here have better sources than some of the journalists do

Less than 2 2's...bring him back and have an open competition.  Dramatic dumpster fire?  Yep.  But you can't be in the habit of just giving away your franchise investment (whose guaranteed contract hit you've paid) to other teams.

Let him sit.

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My personal belief is unless is just awful that they are going with him for at least the next two years. Gives them two seasons in sirianni’s offense before he heads into the final season of his contract. Gives enough time to see what he is and the team should theoretically improve from 2021 to 2022 with draft picks and I’m guessing some cap in 2022 offseason. If he fails they don’t extend his contract and you draft someone else with a team that again theoretically should be more built up. Then again i don’t trust the eagles to build properly so there’s that in the equation 

My personal belief is he will win us some games because he runs. I worry that we fall in love with that style and stick with it as a mediocre playoff team for years

Indy's options are pretty limited, Darnold, Brissett, Trubisky, after that, a bunch of retread veterans.

When you go 11-5, that's basically writing off a year of contention.

Howie, stay strong!

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When will Lurie realize what Howie is and fire his arse?  

When his medicine kicks in

If we trade Wentz for less than 2 # 2s Howie should be crap canned immediately 

Colts are playing it smart , no market for Wentz , eagles have 10 million dollar roster bonus coming do ,which  they will not pay.. let's remember  ,wentz is s 5th year , 28 year old project , on a huge contract. Eagles will not get some huge return for him.

Just now, Original Sin said:

Colts are playing it smart , no market for Wentz , eagles have 10 million dollar roster bonus coming do ,which  they will not pay.. let's remember  ,wentz is s 5th year , 28 year old project . Eagles will not get some huge return for him.

The way rumors go at the moment, Wentz has put us in a bind. The bears have a decent offer, but only if Wentz is ok going there (and he isn't). The Colts may be low-balling us..

If true, it's really Wentz screwing with the market value, and that would hurt the Eagles. Makes sense for him though.

19 minutes ago, greend said:

My personal belief is he will win us some games because he runs. I worry that we fall in love with that style and stick with it as a mediocre playoff team for years

I doubt it, what in Sirianni's background makes you think he's gonna install the Doug RPO?

The QBs this group have worked with collectively, Rivers, Brisset, Luck, Dak, Mariota, Trask. Mariota is the only runner in that group, Dak is mobile but primarily a passer.

If Hurts is the QB, they'll install the Indy horizontal passing game, and focus on teaching Hurts to go through his progressions quickly. They've got two receiving RBs, a TE and some young, quick WRs. I see them moving JJAW to the Burton role, adding a WR and a H-back in the draft and a power back (Indy ran the ball consistently).

The idea they have to trade Dillard if Mailata wins the LT job is silly, anyone trust Lane's ankle? I'd be happy to start the season with Dillard, Driscoll and Herbig on the bench after last year. Toth, Juriga, Opeta and a draft pick for deep depth.

If Hurts picks up the scheme, he could have a big year with this kind of talent surrounding him (say Chase/Pitts, another receiver, a RB in the 4th or 5th rd). A top 10 OL, good targets across the field, solid run game. In fact, Wentz might be better off staying than going to Indy, and definitely better than going to Chicago.

They'll still lose a lot of 35-30 games, but it'll be fun.

The NFL informed teams that the salary cap floor has been increased from $175 million to $180 million. Still no final number set.

 

Some valid points

Arians says the ramp-up period we had last year, there were a ton of soft-tissue injuries because they weren't in shape. I'm going to fight what they're saying about the injuries, because there were a ton of injuries because they weren't practicing."

Arians says  It's the same thing that happened last time ... these young kids need practice. If the vets don't want to come, they don't have to come. It's still voluntary. We need the preseason, we definitely need some preseason games."

Arians on potential for little or no offseason before training camp in July: "If we lose spring, (young players) are not getting developed. The veterans love that crap, because that means they don't get to take their jobs. So when you have the veterans voting on the rules."

 Arians says NFL teams are losing out on valuable development with younger players by not having a normal offseason. He said veterans like it because up-and-coming players are less prepared to take their jobs, and they're the ones voting on offseason format

 

 

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

My guy feeling on Wentz...

49% he stays an Eagle 

26% he becomes a colt

25% theres a dark horse out there we dont know about, or isnt on the radar as big as bears/colts (Patriots/broncos) 

I'd love for Wentz to stay and all this was just Media hype. Id be thrilled to see him as the starter week 1 with a new coaching staff and system and give him that one year to show all the haters that it was Doug. 

But the odds jumping so drastically yesterday speaks loudly. Colts jumped to a -1200 fast yesterday from a +135. That doesn't happen out of a random theory. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

My guy feeling on Wentz...

49% he stays an Eagle 

26% he becomes a colt

25% theres a dark horse out there we dont know about, or isnt on the radar as big as bears/colts (Patriots/broncos) 

Baffled by this.  I just don't see any scenario where Wentz returns, or anything reported that would indicate he might come back.

No idea where he ends up, Colts, Bears or other... but for me it's 0.01% he returns.

 

Yeah, it's a good reason to look at this draft as a crapshot draft, trade down when possible, look for upside and don't worry about 2021.

That's a big advantage for a rebuilding team, a contending team can't write this season off, so they'll be looking for more NFL ready players because they may not have a full offseason to develop them.

Though I think with the vaccines rolling out, they may skip a mini-camp or two, but by June they'll have extended mini-camps to make up lost time. Still, with development time lost for last year's group, and this year's group missing some early camps, it'll be a bigger load for most coaching staffs, and some teams may go veteran heavy on the margin rather than try to coach up a lot of UFAs and SFAs.

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

I'm sure the owners will get a vote on the final number. Not sure when the owners meeting will be to determine this. Should be soon as they need to know before the official first day of the season which is creeping up quick. 

playing with Draft tradebacks...

whats the fartheest you would drop if a 2022 first rounder was on the table? i feel ok dropping to 12...maaaaybe 15.  19 or 20 makes me uncomfortable only player i see worth taking there is Horn, who i dont love, and i think goes mid round irl

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Less than 2 2's...bring him back and have an open competition.  Dramatic dumpster fire?  Yep.  But you can't be in the habit of just giving away your franchise investment (whose guaranteed contract hit you've paid) to other teams.

Let him sit.

I think there's probably less downside to that thinking especially if the offense performs better next season.  First, if Wentz wins the job he's going to have less rope to play poorly. So even if he looks not great he's unlikely to look worse than he did. Thus, his value is probably about the same even if he looks like 2020 Wentz.  Not trading him diminishes the chances they take a QB at 6 this season.  It makes it more likely they take a skill player or OT that will help the team.  If Smith are Chase are the pick, I think the offense will look better.  An OT like Sewell will allow much better depth along the oline.  Sewell could step in at RG and if Lane and Brooks are health and Kelce returns, you potentially have the best offensive line in the League.  The Colts were a run first team the last 2 seasons.  I would think any QB will look much better. So what if Wentz comes back and plays to 2017 levels.  What is his value at that point? Then there's the scenario where Hurts wins the job.  If Hurts plays well, I don't think it changes things for Wentz. If Hurts falters or gets injured, Wentz's play will probably be viewed in a more favorable light than his 2020 season.  So again his value isn't at the low point it is now.  

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

My guy feeling on Wentz...

49% he stays an Eagle 

26% he becomes a colt

25% theres a dark horse out there we dont know about, or isnt on the radar as big as bears/colts (Patriots/broncos) 

You should get that checked out. 

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

playing with Draft tradebacks...

whats the fartheest you would drop if a 2022 first rounder was on the table? i feel ok dropping to 12...maaaaybe 15.  19 or 20 makes me uncomfortable only player i see worth taking there is Horn, who i dont love, and i think goes mid round irl

I'd want something in the likes of a 2021 3rd or 4th attached to it as well to drop down to 15.  

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I doubt it, what in Sirianni's background makes you think he's gonna install the Doug RPO?

The QBs this group have worked with collectively, Rivers, Brisset, Luck, Dak, Mariota, Trask. Mariota is the only runner in that group, Dak is mobile but primarily a passer.

If Hurts is the QB, they'll install the Indy horizontal passing game, and focus on teaching Hurts to go through his progressions quickly. They've got two receiving RBs, a TE and some young, quick WRs. I see them moving JJAW to the Burton role, adding a WR and a H-back in the draft and a power back (Indy ran the ball consistently).

The idea they have to trade Dillard if Mailata wins the LT job is silly, anyone trust Lane's ankle? I'd be happy to start the season with Dillard, Driscoll and Herbig on the bench after last year. Toth, Juriga, Opeta and a draft pick for deep depth.

If Hurts picks up the scheme, he could have a big year with this kind of talent surrounding him (say Chase/Pitts, another receiver, a RB in the 4th or 5th rd). A top 10 OL, good targets across the field, solid run game. In fact, Wentz might be better off staying than going to Indy, and definitely better than going to Chicago.

They'll still lose a lot of 35-30 games, but it'll be fun.

yeah, okay.

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

playing with Draft tradebacks...

whats the fartheest you would drop if a 2022 first rounder was on the table? i feel ok dropping to 12...maaaaybe 15.  19 or 20 makes me uncomfortable only player i see worth taking there is Horn, who i dont love, and i think goes mid round irl

To jump from the high teens/low 20's to number 6 ovr is more then likely just too expensive for most of these teams to go for. Esp this year with no combine, a Covid NCAA season etc. Too many question marks to jump that high. 

I think this year you will see less trades then usual in the draft. I would guess you wont move back past 15 and it would ONLY be if a moron team wants one of these QBs. Otherwise I think it will be hard to find any trade partner to move back with. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

last I looked Vegas has Philly as the 2nd most landing spot for him. Or staying spot

Colts went from a +135 to -1200 instantly yesterday. The odd makers know something and it doesnt work in favor of your percentages. 

Trust me I would love it if your numbers were correct. But there is a reason the odds jumped drastically. 

10 hours ago, austinfan said:

Well, we basically traded a 1st, 2nd, Bradford and Maxwell for Wentz.

We got 3 playoff appearances and a SB. If we get back (2) 2nds and a 3rd, I'm happy. One 2nd and one 3rd, not so much.

Admit it - if the Eagles received a seventh round pick for Wentz, then you would still sing Howie's praises.