34 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When will Lurie realize what Howie is and fire his arse?  

It begs the question of how much is this Lurie vs. Howie in terms of decisions.  I just don't know whether Howie is just Lurie's mouthpiece for many of the decisions.  I do think Lurie is likely to blame Howie if the Wentz trade isn't good or the Wentz situation gets worse.  I mean even if Lurie was behind every decision he won't want to accept the blame.  

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

To jump from the high teens/low 20's to number 6 ovr is more then likely just too expensive for most of these teams to go for. Esp this year with no combine, a Covid NCAA season etc. Too many question marks to jump that high. 

I think this year you will see less trades then usual in the draft. I would guess you wont move back past 15 and it would ONLY be if a moron team wants one of these QBs. Otherwise I think it will be hard to find any trade partner to move back with. 

if a team has a qb they love...no price is too high

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Baffled about what?

All reports are he likes/talks to the coach. Talks/likes the OC. Talks/Likes the owner. Seems like outside the rookies he has a good following on the team. 

The only issue he has is with the GM(easily fixed) and the field of tradable teams is limited and the offers are crap. 

Lurie wont allow Howie to trade him just to trade him. In fact, I think Wentz can call Howie a 2 faced scumbag rat to his face and Howie wouldnt trade him just to trade him

Howie wouldn't care, if you're a NFL GM you know you're gonna be the "bad cop" (unless Belichick is the HC) and the HC the "good cop" in most cases.

You're the guy who says no to players when they want to restructure, decides who to cut to get to the final 53, and trades people - not a great route to garner some love.

If Wentz whines about Hurts, I'd just tell him no one's job is guaranteed in the "Not For Long" League, why should he be treated differently than his teammates?

I don't think they hired Sirianni to fix Wentz, rather they liked both his QB expertise and his organizational skills, look how fast he upgraded the staff? And if Wentz is on the trading block, it's not because he wants out but because Siri feels that Hurts has more upside in his scheme. There's no cap reason to trade Wentz, the team is rebuilding so no QB controversy (i.e., not happy, we can get you a new address).

Hurts is 5 years younger, more durable, with sky high intangibles. If you can win with Rivers at the end of the string, you can figure out how to win with Hurts.

Now the guy with the real challenge is Gannon, a back seven made of swiss cheese and a talented DL approaching its expiration date. Fortunately, with low expectations in 2021, he can cycle through a lot of young athletes until he finds some keepers.

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Admit it - if the Eagles received a seventh round pick for Wentz, then you would still sing Howie's praises.

2 2nds and a 3rd is basically a 1st rd pick. Stafford basically garnered a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, given the 2 1st rd picks are delayed.

"Detroit will acquire Goff, a 2021 third-round pick and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023."

Wentz is a sunk cost, and that deal got them what they wanted, a Championship. So it was a good deal, I mean that's the point of all these moves, right?

Howie is not going to give Wentz away, Ballard thinks he can steal him, so both sides have dug in their heels. But Indy doesn't have a lot of good options, and if Ballard doesn't land a starting QB the next two years, he might be history. After Reich wins with Luck and Rivers, the GM will be blamed.

17 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Some valid points

Arians says the ramp-up period we had last year, there were a ton of soft-tissue injuries because they weren't in shape. I'm going to fight what they're saying about the injuries, because there were a ton of injuries because they weren't practicing."

Arians says  It's the same thing that happened last time ... these young kids need practice. If the vets don't want to come, they don't have to come. It's still voluntary. We need the preseason, we definitely need some preseason games."

Arians on potential for little or no offseason before training camp in July: "If we lose spring, (young players) are not getting developed. The veterans love that crap, because that means they don't get to take their jobs. So when you have the veterans voting on the rules."

 Arians says NFL teams are losing out on valuable development with younger players by not having a normal offseason. He said veterans like it because up-and-coming players are less prepared to take their jobs, and they're the ones voting on offseason format

 

 

Look we've been nice to you for a few weeks but we're going to have to insist that you take the Bucs talk elsewhere.  

 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

last I looked Vegas has Philly as the 2nd most landing spot for him. Or staying spot

I think one site had Indy in the lead by far.  I'm just saying I don't think the chances are good that he stays.  

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

2 2nds and a 3rd is basically a 1st rd pick. Stafford basically garnered a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, given the 2 1st rd picks are delayed.

"Detroit will acquire Goff, a 2021 third-round pick and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023."

Like I said...

Just now, NCiggles said:

Look we've been nice to you for a few weeks but we're going to have to insist that you take the Bucs talk elsewhere.  

 

I think one site had Indy in the lead by far.  I'm just saying I don't think the chances are good that he stays.  

Its league talk not Bucs talk.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I just know in years past, pre-41-33, Lurie had shown the ability to recognize when it was a good time to pivot from the direction the football OPS was going.  He cares how things look in the press and the publics eyes.  I know that empty stadiums, because of covid didn't help.  But if there is enough of an uproar he would have made changes in the past.  The question remains, did the SB change him like I think it has?

When I hear Lurie speak post Super Bowl and I think back to some of the gold standard bs that was floated about in in the early 2000's by Banner, I wonder how much Lurie thinks his decisions led to the Super Bowl.  I think you're right that he's shown the ability to pivot.  I just don't know what that's going to take and clearly he thinks Howie wasn't the problem post 2017 despite the poor drafts, cap management and trades.  

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

if a team has a qb they love...no price is too high

This batch of QBs is not that great. I dont think there is a ton of love out there for them. After Lawrence it is a massive drop. 

What’s wrong with the Bears? I don’t get why he wouldn’t want to play there. 

Lurie isn't unhappy with Howie, he's made that clear, which suggests that Howie's "mistakes" were approved and maybe even pushed by Lurie (shades of Snider).

They tried to get back to the SB, a couple bad moves (Jeffrey, DeSean), a lot of bad luck (Jerrigan, Malik, Wallace, Darby, etc.), a few bad breaks (Jeffrey's drop in NO, Clowney's hit).

They both agree they're rebuilding, they're happy with the personnel group, they fired the coaches. Brought in the closest to AR they've found in a decade.

I don't think the resolution of the Wentz situation will make any difference in Howie's job security.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

What’s wrong with the Bears? I don’t get why he wouldn’t want to play there. 

Nagy is the exact same system/style as Doug. 

Wentz biggest success was when Frank took over game planning, scripting etc in Philly. If you are Wentz do you want to go to a system that you had your best success or back to the same system you ran the last 3 years that didnt work well under Doug? It's a no brainier that Indy is the best situation for Wentz if hes traded. 

3 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Lol it was a joke. Bad one but hey. 

What the Iggles have to realize and I don't mean this in a negative way....

They suck. 

All this  " well they're not that bad. This guys got some scuffs, maybe a few marks. This guy with a beard once offered me 5 grand for it. It's not junk. It's Vintage" 

is total BS.

Actually, they should have a top ten offense, top OL, a power back from a solid RB trio, they'll get a top receiver at #6, a solid TE, and so on.

You look at the Colts, how'd they score 451 points? Good OL, good RB trio, but Hilton lead receivers with 762 yards, Pittman, Pascal, Marques Johnson, Doyle, Alie-Cox, Burton - not exactly a murderers' row of receiving talent. Rivers is a smart veteran QB, but he didn't have a lot left in the tank. Reich is just a better offensive coach than Doug.

Winston is a free agent . Mac Jones is a Sean Payton  type QB

 

16 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Baffled about what?

All reports are he likes/talks to the coach. Talks/likes the OC. Talks/Likes the owner. Seems like outside the rookies he has a good following on the team. 

The only issue he has is with the GM(easily fixed) and the field of tradable teams is limited and the offers are crap. 

Lurie wont allow Howie to trade him just to trade him. In fact, I think Wentz can call Howie a 2 faced scumbag rat to his face and Howie wouldnt trade him just to trade him

I suppose I haven't seen the reports you referenced above.  I've seen in the past that he had a good relationship and "direct line" to the owner.  What I've seen widely reported is that Wentz has characterized his relationship with the Eagles as "fractured" and has indicated he wants to leave, and further that the new coaching staff did not change his opinion.  I've also seen basically all of the most trusted "NFL insider" reporters (like Schefter, etc.) state that he will be traded, and I've seen none that reported he is willing to return to the Eagles.

Issues with the GM are not easily fixed; it has become clear that the owner of the team has assumed the responsibilities and decision making of the traditional role of GM.  He works through his friend/surrogate son who sits in the chair.  Hence, we refer to them here now as "Lowie."  Any actual GM, when held accountable for their actions and decisions, would have been fired and laughed out of town with the job they have done on this team and roster.  The personnel decision making, drafting, free agency, cap, contracts and player development has been a total failure across the board and in almost every respect.

We need to think about Howie Roseman as Lurie's son, not as an actual GM, because that is how he is considered and treated.  He is a face to put on their joint meddling and playing with roster decisions.  Unfortunately, until the owner realizes the damage he has done, takes accountability and decides to make changes, we cannot expect Howie to be fired or anything different or better to happen here.

Wentz is being traded for many reasons and at this point cannot be brought back without causing further issues with the team and encumbering the new coaching staff with very significant issues.

i think this is my perfect top end of the draft:

• 6.
  Ja'Marr Chase

  WR LSU
   
• 37.
  Trevon Moehrig

  S TCU
   
• 70.
  Josh Myers

  OC Ohio State

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

i think this is my perfect top end of the draft:

 

 

It works... We just need so much... I literally can see 12 new players as a need. 

1 minute ago, John_C said:

I suppose I haven't seen the reports you referenced above.  I've seen in the past that he had a good relationship and "direct line" to the owner.  What I've seen widely reported is that Wentz has characterized his relationship with the Eagles as "fractured" and has indicated he wants to leave, and further that the new coaching staff did not change his opinion.  I've also seen basically all of the most trusted "NFL insider" reporters (like Schefter, etc.) state that he will be traded, and I've seen none that reported he is willing to return to the Eagles.

Issues with the GM are not easily fixed; it has become clear that the owner of the team has assumed the responsibilities and decision making of the traditional role of GM.  He works through his friend/surrogate son who sits in the chair.  Hence, we refer to them here now as "Lowie."  Any actual GM, when held accountable for their actions and decisions, would have been fired and laughed out of town with the job they have done on this team and roster.  The personnel decision making, drafting, free agency, cap, contracts and player development has been a total failure across the board and in almost every respect.

We need to think about Howie Roseman as Lurie's son, not as an actual GM, because that is how he is considered and treated.  He is a face to put on their joint meddling and playing with roster decisions.  Unfortunately, until the owner realizes the damage he has done, takes accountability and decides to make changes, we cannot expect Howie to be fired or anything different or better to happen here.

Wentz is being traded for many reasons and at this point cannot be brought back without causing further issues with the team and encumbering the new coaching staff with very significant issues.

That seems to be all speculation though. I don't think Wentz or his camp have said anything one way or the other. We all think his silence points to this being true, and it very well may be, but at this point, it seems to be reporters feeding off each other's theories. 

16 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Its league talk not Bucs talk.

Any mention of Bruce Arians is hereby banned from the blog.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When will Lurie realize what Howie is and fire his arse?  

Unfortunately for us, as fans, I cannot see the Eagles moving forward to better times unless and until the owner takes responsibility for what he has done here.

Until Lurie makes the decision to a) step back from de-facto meddling and running the team, b) agrees to hire professional, qualified and experienced personnel leadership, and c) actually empowers that leadership to make decisions, I believe we are going to be watching much of the same storylines unfold.  No matter how many times they change out the coaching staff.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

On another QB note..

there is ZERO chance Peyton is ok going into next year with Tysom and Winston. ZERO

You can say a ton of teams need a QB. Saints, Steelers, Pats, Colts, Bears, Redskins(yes I said Redskins, always will be the skins to me), Broncos, Jets, Lions, Panthers, possible Texans and Falcons. Jags we can leave out since Trevor is a lock

This is why Im not moving Wentz or at least holding out for a top deal. We are in a better situation right now then most of these teams. if they don't want to pay the price then so be it, go into 2021 without a QB. With the min cap savings from trading or keeping him it doesnt hurt/help us much either way. Play Wentz and odds are he is much better with a better coaching staff/scheme change and up his value for next year when you can see the cap savings. If he plays lights out you win even more by keeping him and moving Hurts. 

On 2/17/2021 at 3:38 AM, Iggles_Phan said:

Would he though?  He traded 2 1sts and a 2nd to draft Wentz, plus gave him a huge extension that is just about to click in and the Eagles will take on a huge cap hit.   

 

If Howie can get even a single first round pick back for Wentz, that's something, but nothing he gets back will guarantee that this team has a franchise QB under control for the next 10-15 years... and that's what the move to draft Wentz was all about.   So, Howie screwed up.  Getting something back in the midst of this ridiculous crap is like Secretariat breaking his leg coming down the stretch of the Belmont Stakes and being sold for slaughter as dog food.   Sure, its better than nothing... but it sure isn't what the goal was. Howie created this mess as much as any other single individual (save for perhaps Lurie), and yet he's still here with supreme job security.  It makes me sick.

So you were against the trade up for Wentz ?  I know I thought it was too risky but in 2017 I had reluctantly reconciled myself with the pick. The circumstances of that injury seems so unlikely. I’m with you though on the extension, seems like a major lack of due diligence. I do think with a lot of effort and tediousness he can regain a lot of what was lost or in other areas to make up for it

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

You can say a ton of teams need a QB. Saints, Steelers, Pats, Colts, Bears, Redskins(yes I said Redskins, always will be the skins to me), Broncos, Jets, Lions, Panthers, possible Texans and Falcons. Jags we can leave out since Trevor is a lock

This is why Im not moving Wentz or at least holding out for a top deal. We are in a better situation right now then most of these teams. if they don't want to pay the price then so be it, go into 2021 without a QB. With the min cap savings from trading or keeping him it doesnt hurt/help us much either way. Play Wentz and odds are he is much better with a better coaching staff/scheme change and up his value for next year when you can see the cap savings. If he plays lights out you win even more by keeping him and moving Hurts. 

If/when we move Wentz add us to the teams that need a quarterback.

1 minute ago, greend said:

If/when we move Wentz add us to the teams that need a quarterback.

... to be the backup behind Hurts. Agreed.

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

That seems to be all speculation though. I don't think Wentz or his camp have said anything one way or the other. We all think his silence points to this being true, and it very well may be, but at this point, it seems to be reporters feeding off each other's theories. 

Wentz definitely has not said anything publicly one way or another, that is true.  But numerous reporters have cited sources.  Could it all be speculation?  I suppose, but like you, I doubt it... much of what has been reported has had specifics and also aligns with other known facts.  It also has not been refuted by Wentz or any teams, even anonymously.  I think we agree it is most likely true.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Yes, we've heard all these great amazing national guys tell us that Wentz is getting traded any minute for the last 4 weeks. 

then you have the local guys who have some weird hate fetish for Wentz. 

With not a lot of teams interested for one reason or the other, and with the trade value not there. I truly believe theres a strong chance he doesnt leave

I guess we will see.  I think the Eagles hands are tied and that they are definitely going to trade him.

I've always been a big Wentz guy and was devastated about how the season unfolded and especially how Wentz play deteriorated.  I was probably giving him more benefit of the doubt than was warranted.  I'll also root for him in his next spot.  When they drafted Wentz I thought finally we have our next Mcnabb, and he will be even better.

It's a **** feeling for all of us to be in this QB limbo.  We know what what means.  It sucks.  I think it will suck even worse when the Eagles select some sub-optimal QB prospect at 6th overall to "compete" with Hurts for first shift at the Factory.