If DeVonta Smith is possibly too small for some people, and Ja'Mar Chase is possibly not quick enough for some people it would seem the best value is trading back for Rashod Bateman is the best value. Listed at 6'2'' 210 with adequate quickness and explosiveness hes the one guy that really possesses the most well rounded WR skillset. 

Unless Surtain does something to make us fall in love in workouts, with no other superb options at 6 my favorite option may be trading down a bit for Bateman. 

 

Id really like to select Bateman and Amari Rodgers in this draft. Bateman and Reagor outside with Rodgers in the slot could be really fun. 

 

Of Note, TDN has solaks 7 round eagles mock up and his CB picks are based on the expectation that Gannon plays primarily zone with his CBs although he will mix in coverages to keep teams guessing. If you have Surtain in primarily zone, thats ideal. 

 

As much as we need WRs, this could be lito/sheldon opportunity for us to go Surtain/Samuel and be set with great zone CBs for this D for years to come.

9 hours ago, jamiller said:

Me too.  On the five same side about midway up.  It was close to half Eagles fans.

Did you see one of us grab a security guy that was hassling them and yank him into a mob of green? Was hilarious. 

16 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hits Greg Ward in stride in the corner of the endzone, ball going 45 yards in the air. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hurts hits DeSean on a deep crosser down the field in stride.  Ball travels 50 yards in the air. 

 

 

What do you notice about both of those throws?

 

Both out of the pocket.  Like Wentz, he is much better on the move.  In the pocket...

5 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Me too! You might have seen me. I was wearing an Eagles jersey that night. You must have seen me!

We took the planes over too and sang the fight song the entire flight. Was one of the best travel games I've been to. So much fun. 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

got it, so every college scout and pro team is an agreement with me( I agree with them actually) but your right. 

Go it. 

Hurts cant make a 12-15 yard out. He cant hit deep crosser in stride

His throwing power is similar to Chad Pennington. BUT BUT HE's EXCITING TO WATCH AND CAN RUN. 

WGAF

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/04/2020-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings-jalen-hurts-scouting-report

https://www.phillyvoice.com/highlights-scouting-report-jalen-hurts-eagles-2020-nfl-draft-carson-wentz/

The most surprising data on Hurts comes with the ball-tracking figures recorded. Among all quarterbacks at the Senior Bowl, Hurts had the best average initial air speed, which measures the speed of the ball coming out of his hands on the first two days of practice. He also had the highest average ball speed, average distance, and recorded the longest pass during the week. Most scouting reports suggest Hurts’ arm strength is adequate, but few would suggest the Oklahoma quarterback’s arm talent is elite. Still, his 47.5 mph average was the fastest recorded at the Senior Bowl in the last two years when tracking was available. Oregon quarterback Justin Herbert, often praised for his arm strength, was clocked at 43.1 mph.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-jalen-hurts-nfl-draft-class-stats-speed-tracking-senior-bowl-20200511.html

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Jalen-Hurts-2020-NFL-Combine-blows-everyone-away-draft-Oklahoma-Sooners-144422287/#144422287_2

What does all this suggest, Hurts is better than he looks, his metrics at Oklahoma reflected a top notch QB (accuracy, etc.).

His combine performance was off the charts, not just athletic tests but QB skills.

Yet, a lot of scouts have doubts, and I can see why watching him, he's a bit clunky. He ran a lot but so did Murray, Ridley adjusts around his QB  (Hurts 1298 yards, Murray 1001 yards, Mayfield 311, Rattler 160). His stats at Oklahoma are very similar to Murray, except Murray had a couple years to learn the system, Hurts was a transfer. Murray may have the stronger arm, but he's also only 5'10. Murray made big strides in his second season in Arizona.

So what you have is a very athletic QB with an above average arm who needs to smooth out his mechanics and work on reading NFL defenses. However, he has a high football IQ, exceptional work ethic and top leadership skills - and he's going to have a top QB coach, and a HC and OC who have experience as QB coaches, a first rate OL, and some solid weapons - the perfect environment to develop a high potential QB who needs a lot of work. Of course, you can always use the #6 pick to get a similar athlete with a stronger arm but more questions about intangibles.

Murray may be Russell Wilson redux, Hurts may be Dak Prescott. Or not.

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Scrambling/Read and Run QB's will never ever work. Regardless of color. 

The next scrambling/read and run QB to win a Super Bowl will be the first one to win a Super Bowl

2 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Elway

Elway was a pure pocket passer that could scramble if he had to.  He is not Lamar Jackson, Colin Kapernick, Jalen Hurts.  Stupid take.

29 minutes ago, Infam said:

If this was a one time thing, I'd believe it. If the same kind of garbage is repeated every time for every black QB, it's racist.

Byron Leftwich

Jameis Winston

Dwayne Haskins

Daunte Culpepper

There are 4 off the top of my head where no one suggested they should change positions.  The only time people suggest a college quarterback change positions is when their style of play might be better fit for a different position.  

Also:

Taysom Hill

Eric Crouch

Tim Tebow

Trace McSorley

Scott Frost

...all white quarterbacks where it was suggested they look at playing a different position other than quarterback in the NFL.

The racism argument is getting tired, not just in the NFL but in our country.   I feel like there's a select group of people just trying to find racism under every nook and cranny.  It makes me sick and needs to stop. 

So he's a one read and run QB with bad completion percentage, bad turnovers and then has PFF dunking on him. But yea, lets make not liking him a race thing.

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

And I just told you he has the a bottom 5 accuracy in the league with throws over 15 yards. 

So you should be a very tiny tiny sample size that most QB's could make

I showed you a nextgen stat that compares a much larger amount of throws against a much larger field. 

 

O, and not to mention the majority of college scouts felt that way. The majority of GM;s felt that way. and when the grestest college football coach alive saw TUA do what Hurts couldnt, Hurts was sent to pasture. 

 

p.s.s. *IF* Hurts had the arm of Tua, or Wilson, or anyone who's 6 foot he would of been a top 5 pick. BUT HE DIDNT, and DOESNT thus the reason he was a 3rd rounder... well should of been 3rd round outside of our idiot GM

 

Tua doesn't really have an arm.  

Hurts is only 22 and has made some very impressive strides as a passer from Alabama to Oklahoma and then again last year. 

 

You said he can't make certain throws and I showed you proof that he can. He's a developing young player whose rookie season compares favorably to other Eagles rookie QBs of the past. 

 

 

I for one am very excited to see what level of growth he makes in year 2.

 

Yoy can keep on being a major hater though, thankfully your opinion carries no weight with the Eagles so you will just have to sit there and watch it. 

Wentz, McNabb, Vick all have/had an elite arm.

Hurts has a just fine arm.

You don't need a rocket launcher to be a good NFL QB. If that was the standard, JaMarcus Russell would be in the Hall of Fame.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The next scrambling/read and run QB to win a Super Bowl will be the first one to win a Super Bowl

Well, given that Brady has won almost half the SBs since 2002, that's a skewed set.

Though to me Russell Wilson is essentially a scrambling QB, ran for 539 yards his SB season, and a lot of his big plays come off scrambles out of the pocket.

You can't win with a one read and run QB, but today's college QBs will probably require 3-4 NFL seasons to learn if they can master the pro passing game, because most don't get proper coaching in college.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So he's a one read and run QB with bad completion percentage, bad turnovers and then has PFF dunking on him. But yea, lets make not liking him a race thing.

PFF LOVED him coming out of college

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-jalen-hurts-wasnt-a-good-pick-by-the-philadelphia-eagles-he-was-a-great-one

So I wouldn't read too much into 4 games at the end of the season when he didn't practice with the 1s or have any exhibition game experience.

16 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

What do you notice about both of those throws?

 

Both out of the pocket.  Like Wentz, he is much better on the move.  In the pocket...

 

He had some very nice throws from inside the pocket against the Cardinals on the road in only his second start when he threw for over 400 yards. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He had some very nice throws from inside the pocket against the Cardinals on the road in only his second start when he threw for over 400 yards. 

 

 

Man that Quez Watkins touchdown was so pretty.  I'm really interested to see if both he and Hightower can develop.  

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Fine dude. he's the best

a 3rd rounder, who got thrown to the pasture by the best college coach ever, is the best. You won me over

 

 

I guess you can only communicate in hyperbole.  There is no inbetween one one extreme end or the other. 

8 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

He was bred that way but in the last superbowl he won, he sure played like Lamar. 

The last Super Bowl he won, he averaged 3 carries and 11.3 yards per game in the playoff games.  Wrong again.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Elway and Mcnabb were both numerous reads, look to pass even out of the pocket and then finally run. 

Lamar, Vick. are guys who are told to look at guy 1, if hes not open run it. HUGE DIFFERENCE 

McNabb had to be coached up, he ran an option scheme at Syracuse where he only read half the field.

Now some QBs just aren't football smart enough to learn to read NFL defenses, I don't think that's an issue with Hurts.

Just now, bpac55 said:

Man that Quez Watkins touchdown was so pretty.  I'm really interested to see if both he and Hightower can develop.  

 

I have much more faith in Watkins than Hightower.  Never got the Hightower hype when we drafted him.  You watch his college highlights and almost all of it is body catches.  Quez on the other hand, he catches with his hands. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So he's a one read and run QB with bad completion percentage, bad turnovers and then has PFF dunking on him. But yea, lets make not liking him a race thing.

I did not say anything when anyone just disliked him. It's the "he should play RB" comments that I find offensive. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I have much more faith in Watkins than Hightower.  Never got the Hightower hype when we drafted him.  You watch his college highlights and almost all of it is body catches.  Quez on the other hand, he catches with his hands. 

I agree.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Fine dude. he's the best

a 3rd rounder, who got thrown to the pasture by the best college coach ever, is the best. You won me over

 

But he squatted over 600lbs! That's important for a QB for some reason and not a RB at all. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Though to me Russell Wilson is essentially a scrambling QB, ran for 539 yards his SB season, and a lot of his big plays come off scrambles out of the pocket.

In the playoffs he averaged 4 carries and 14 yards per game rushing.  Wrong again.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I have much more faith in Watkins than Hightower.  Never got the Hightower hype when we drafted him.  You watch his college highlights and almost all of it is body catches.  Quez on the other hand, he catches with his hands. 

Hightower consistently got separation deep, that's some serious talent, so you're gambling you can improve his hands to "average" and teach how to track balls - not a bad gamble in the 5th round, though I agree Watkins has more upside.

41 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hits Greg Ward in stride in the corner of the endzone, ball going 45 yards in the air

 

41 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hurts hits DeSean on a deep crosser down the field in stride.  Ball travels 50 yards in the air. 

Chad Pennington hit mid range and deep throws sometimes too.

That’s why "consistently” is such a great word.  Can he do it consistently?  So far, it doesn’t look like it.