3 minutes ago, greend said:

If we can see it why can't Lurie. Wentz doesn't need to go Doug does and he can take the genius Howie with him.

I agree.  100%

35 minutes ago, greend said:

Yet I think they did

Maybe... but it does seem to fit.   Gold standard, QB Factory, New Norm, etc.   They say the stupidest stuff, they do the stupidest stuff.   

15 hours ago, austinfan said:

And the point would be what? No pick would have made a difference this season.

Most years it's your 2nd and 3rd year players who are the key to success, not rookies.

If Taylor and Bradley join Edwards and Singleton to make this an above average group next season, the draft was a great success, if they're cut by year 3, it's a failure.

And what backup QB that could actually play could they have taken instead of Hurts, the next Thorson? Eason #122, Morgan #125, Fromm #167, never took a snap and may never take a snap.

This is silly.  The failures of the 2020 season are NOT due to the failures of the offseason after the 2019 season.  It is the culmination of 3 straight bad offseasons in a row, with virtually nothing to show for it.  

There is a laundry list of BAD moves since they hoisted the Lombardi.  And a very short list of good moves.  VERY short.

I keep waiting for the list of good moves since the Super Bowl... and I'm talking about the starters... major contributors, not depth pieces.  Since 2018, its Slay, Mailata, Sanders and Goedert.  That's about it.  

This will solve everything!

Doesn't really matter who the GM is, unless they replace Howie with a bad one (there are numerous GMs worse than Howie, who took over in 2016, built a SB team and then patched them into the playoffs for two more years, now look around the league at the GMs who couldn't sniff the playoffs for 3-4 years). Pretty much the same playbook the next two seasons, clear out the veterans and their salaries, Peters, Jeffrey, DeSean, Malik are gone this post-season, maybe a couple more (McLeod? Mills? Barnett? Kelce? Ertz?) probably another half dozen after the 2021 season. Accumulate draft picks, audition UDFAs and SFAs as there will be opportunities for young players to seize jobs.

This is how top teams are built, a few draft picks you hit on, a few SFAs/UDFAs, and when you've rebuilt the roster and cleared cap room, a few FAs in 2023.

They need 4-5 starters the next two drafts and a half dozen top reserves (a draft that lands you more than 3 legitimate starters is historically good).

The one thing I can see Howie doing differently is being more cautious signing FAs who are 28 or older. Especially at WR, DE, LB and CB, speed positions where players fall off faster. You're best signing these guys to 1 year deals as patches, but don't commit real money. You pay the guys coming off their first contract who have upside left, not the guys off their second contract getting paid for past performance.

It's at HC where they need to upgrade, need a HC that can put together a staff that knows how to teach as well as scheme.

Stoutland shows the difference the right position coach can make.

9 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm willing to bet there are some.  I dont know who for sure because I cant take every QB and put them in the Eagles offense and see how they do.  But I do know that many QBs in the league are more accurate than Wentz.  That alone would make them play better.

Yes, with the craptastic WRs in 2019, the Eagles were better when Wentz played better.  But, it was masking the other problems.  Wentz' play regressed and Howie's and Doug's failures were now on full display.  Wentz stopped masking it by playing poorly.   So, now we see the root of the problems from 2018 and 2019... the things that were ultimately holding those teams back as well... but were washed over because they won despite them.   

You could literally write a book about all the mistakes that this team has made that they should have seen coming when they did the moves... for example, Josh Adams was the leading rusher in 2018... because they relied on Jay Ajayi (who fell in the draft due to concerns about his durability because he had bad knees), Darren Sproles (who they missed for all but 2 games in 2017, and missed time in 2016, and was already considered 'old' when they brought him to Philly back in 2014.  When your top 2 RBs are both massive injury risks... you need a 3rd option... those options were Corey Clement (who was a nice surprise in 2017, but shouldn't have been looked at as 'the answer', and got hurt himself), Wendell Smallwood, and UDFA Josh Adams.   Bad management of the roster.  Poor use of personnel.   Running outside zone concepts with Josh Adams was brutal.  He sucked, and couldn't read where the holes were, and kept bouncing the outside zones, and powers further outside.  They needed to rely more on forcing him north and south with inside zones, whams, etc.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

People keep saying this but the truth of the matter is Doug can't make anything work with anybody. He refuses to use player's strengths and insists that they conform to him. 

Didn't you hear... he said that now he's going to work to tailor the offense to fit Wentz' strengths.   There's a whole new Doug in town.  This one is committed to using players where they fit best.  No more flanker screens to Greg Ward.  Greg Ward will still be the punt returner though, because of his great decision making back there.

Oh words can't express how happy I am to see Marty is gone. That dude is like a black cloud curse everywhere he goes. I hated when they brought him in last year, almost as an afterthought. He was horrible in Baltimore, and surprise surprise, as soon as he's gone their offense completely changes and looks good (in the regular season anyway). He comes here and we see the dumb Hurts at QB, Wentz at WR plays we know Marty loves. Just the dumbest possible setup you could run, as effectively it's now 11 vs 10. Like our offense isn't handicapped enough.

Bye Marty, I hope you end up in Dallas, Washington or with the Giants, so you can ruin their teams next!!

1 hour ago, greend said:

Yada,yada, 5th year, yada...........................quarterbacks have bad years. They especially seem to have those bad years when they have less than 2 seconds almost  every play to find an open receiver and his coach calls plays that take 4 seconds for the receivers to get open .

If Hurts would have been any less mobile he would have royally sucked and not just been meh. Yes some of this is Carson's fault but can we stop acting like he's sucked for 5 years

Yep.  That 4.6 speed paid off for him a ton.  (For comparison, Carson at the Combine ran a 4.77... and the injuries had to have slowed him down a bit... so he was likely a 4.8+ guy and couldn't get away like Hurts did.)   

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Plain and simple, till Doug is gone, to me this will be a 8-9 team at best. Now with the Giants and Redskins starting to click and Dak being back next season for the Cowgirls, that number for me is dropping quickly. Doesnt matter who the DC is they hire, who they draft etc, or who the starting Qb will be. Until Doug is gone we will be no better then .470. No more .500 teams with a 17 game season. Your either a wining or losing team now. My early prediction next year will be 6-11(yes we have 17 games next season) 

The benefit of playing a 4th place schedule will help.  But, I'll reserve the predictions for the season record until we see what happens during the offseason.  But, frankly, right now, I've gotta say that 6 number seems awfully big.

38 minutes ago, greend said:

If we can see it why can't Lurie. Wentz doesn't need to go Doug does and he can take the genius Howie with him.

Honestly  which one of the three have done more good for the team: Doug, Howie or Wentz? 

Doug, won a SB under horrible odds after losing your MVP leading young franchise QB. But how much of that was Doug, and how much of that was his offensive assistants with completely new plays just for Foles and being creative, giving Minny and then the Pats things they had never seen before. And of course Foles just playing lights out? Did Doug just get lucky?

 

Howie- He built the SB team, Drafted Wentz- an argument can be had that none of that happens without him. However, what he did prior to that season, and since has been garbage. He has done far more to hurt his Franchise QB, and the team since the SB win. We are here where we are because of him. His bad drafting, bad contracts, and reliance on old oft injured players to somehow regain form from years past has brought this team to it's knees. 

 

Wentz- Came in started as a Rookie and looked the part of a rookie franchise QB, the next year he is the league leading MVP, rips up his knee and stays in the game for a few plays to get the TD, giving the Eagles Home Field advantage throughout the playoffs. The SB does not happen without Wentz. The next year, gets hurt again, continues to play through as much as he can, still helping the team get into the playoffs despite an obvious talent drop off. The Following year he literally carried the team on his back throwing the ball to lawn chairs getting the team into the playoffs only to be taken out by a dirty hit. This year he clearly struggled as the Oline Crumbled and the talent at WR hits rock bottom, meanwhile the HC keeps calling games 55 Passes to 9 runs. After the GM drafted a QB in the 2nd rd instead of drafting more talent to help your franchise QB. He was benched, handled it like a pro and helped the 2nd year qb.

 

Sorry Wentz has done far more, and has far more upside than Howie or Doug. If given the choice, he is my keeper, the other 2 can go. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, greend said:

If we can see it why can't Lurie. Wentz doesn't need to go Doug does and he can take the genius Howie with him.

He doesn't see, because he doesn't choose to see.    Wentz was hurt during the Super Bowl... Doug was calling the plays that Nick Foles told him to!     (Truthfully, he seems to have been calling the plays that Reich and Co. told him to.)  Turns out Reich, and not Doug was the biggest part of that year.   And I blame Josh McDaniels for everything that went wrong with this coaching staff since then.  Howie still sucks too though... so we need a new GM either way.

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

This will solve everything!

Marty going is a nice step... but hardly the crux of the issue.

35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Doesn't really matter who the GM is, unless they replace Howie with a bad one (there are numerous GMs worse than Howie, who took over in 2016, built a SB team and then patched them into the playoffs for two more years, now look around the league at the GMs who couldn't sniff the playoffs for 3-4 years). Pretty much the same playbook the next two seasons, clear out the veterans and their salaries, Peters, Jeffrey, DeSean, Malik are gone this post-season, maybe a couple more (McLeod? Mills? Barnett? Kelce? Ertz?) probably another half dozen after the 2021 season. Accumulate draft picks, audition UDFAs and SFAs as there will be opportunities for young players to seize jobs.

Absolutely false.   Because Howie is the one that was overly loyal to those guys and NONE from that list should have been on this team for 2020.  I don't want him making the decisions, because we've already seen him start to kick the can down the road with Jeffery and Malik again.  Restructuring to free up more money for 2021... at the expense of 2022 and 2023.  Howie needs to be stopped.   He's like an alcoholic.   You cut him off so that he can't access that future cap space anymore and hamstring the NEW GM in the future.  

 

I've been staring at the dead money that he's already piled into 2022... and its hideous.  His handling of the cap wasn't 'genius', it was merely CC balance transferring.  That's not how you get out of debt, that's how you end up perpetually in debt.   We need a Dave Ramsey approach.. rice and beans.  Not a 'loophole' finder.   Those loopholes have turned into nooses.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't think there is a single person that has posted to the blog that hasn't said that.  Does it need to be mentioned everytime we complain about the roster, or the playcalling, or the way they put the wrong players in positions?

Alas, some are slow on the up take.

40 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Doesn't really matter who the GM is, unless they replace Howie with a bad one (there are numerous GMs worse than Howie, who took over in 2016, built a SB team and then patched them into the playoffs for two more years, now look around the league at the GMs who couldn't sniff the playoffs for 3-4 years). Pretty much the same playbook the next two seasons, clear out the veterans and their salaries, Peters, Jeffrey, DeSean, Malik are gone this post-season, maybe a couple more (McLeod? Mills? Barnett? Kelce? Ertz?) probably another half dozen after the 2021 season. Accumulate draft picks, audition UDFAs and SFAs as there will be opportunities for young players to seize jobs.

This is how top teams are built, a few draft picks you hit on, a few SFAs/UDFAs, and when you've rebuilt the roster and cleared cap room, a few FAs in 2023.

They need 4-5 starters the next two drafts and a half dozen top reserves (a draft that lands you more than 3 legitimate starters is historically good).

The one thing I can see Howie doing differently is being more cautious signing FAs who are 28 or older. Especially at WR, DE, LB and CB, speed positions where players fall off faster. You're best signing these guys to 1 year deals as patches, but don't commit real money. You pay the guys coming off their first contract who have upside left, not the guys off their second contract getting paid for past performance.

It's at HC where they need to upgrade, need a HC that can put together a staff that knows how to teach as well as scheme.

Stoutland shows the difference the right position coach can make.

You are calling for a four-fold increase over recent performance...

31 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Doesn't really matter who the GM is, unless they replace Howie with a bad one (there are numerous GMs worse than Howie, who took over in 2016, built a SB team and then patched them into the playoffs for two more years, now look around the league at the GMs who couldn't sniff the playoffs for 3-4 years). Pretty much the same playbook the next two seasons, clear out the veterans and their salaries, Peters, Jeffrey, DeSean, Malik are gone this post-season, maybe a couple more (McLeod? Mills? Barnett? Kelce? Ertz?) probably another half dozen after the 2021 season. Accumulate draft picks, audition UDFAs and SFAs as there will be opportunities for young players to seize jobs.

This is how top teams are built, a few draft picks you hit on, a few SFAs/UDFAs, and when you've rebuilt the roster and cleared cap room, a few FAs in 2023.

They need 4-5 starters the next two drafts and a half dozen top reserves (a draft that lands you more than 3 legitimate starters is historically good).

The one thing I can see Howie doing differently is being more cautious signing FAs who are 28 or older. Especially at WR, DE, LB and CB, speed positions where players fall off faster. You're best signing these guys to 1 year deals as patches, but don't commit real money. You pay the guys coming off their first contract who have upside left, not the guys off their second contract getting paid for past performance.

It's at HC where they need to upgrade, need a HC that can put together a staff that knows how to teach as well as scheme.

Stoutland shows the difference the right position coach can make.

Could not believe you would make this initial statement, but I saw I_P already gave the necessary response below.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Absolutely false.   Because Howie is the one that was overly loyal to those guys and NONE from that list should have been on this team for 2020... I don't want him making the decisions, because we've already seen him start to kick the can down the road with Jeffery and Malik again.  Restructuring to free up more money for 2021... at the expense of 2022 and 2023.  Howie needs to be stopped.   He's like an alcoholic.   You cut him off so that he can't access that future cap space anymore and hamstring the NEW GM in the future.  

 

I've been staring at the dead money that he's already piled into 2022... and its hideous.  His handling of the cap wasn't 'genius', it was merely CC balance transferring.  That's not how you get out of debt, that's how you end up perpetually in debt.   We need a Dave Ramsey approach.. rice and beans.  Not a 'loophole' finder.   Those loopholes have turned into nooses.

The one thing not addressed is the DRAFT, where Howie has utterly and completely failed.  The team should have fired the entire scouting and personnel department and just put that money in the bank.  Instead, they could have called Mel Kiper when on the clock and ended up with far more talent.  That would have been free.  You say they "need 4-5 starters" - sounds easy.  It's not achievable with the current group.  What is even less possible is finding difference makers, which they have proven wholly unable to do.  The GM and personnel group should have been on the hot seat going into last draft.  2020 was the final straw.  Letting this group draft again is like handing the car keys to your uncle who has 4 DWIs and no license.  It's beyond irresponsible.

It absolutely matters, a lot, who the GM is.... and Roseman has a failing grade across the board.  Failed completely n the draft (Worst draft record in the league since 2014), failed at the cap (worst situation in the NFL), failed at talent accumulation and retention, failed at long term planning, failed at basic logic (commitment to franchise QB + Hurts pick).

There was no possible justification to retaining Roseman.  The retention of Roseman was a key decision for Lurie, and it was the moment he transitioned from trusted steward of the franchise into owner playing games with "his" toy as he sees fit, engaging in nepotism and failing in his most basic obligations to the fanbase and community.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Didn't you hear... he said that now he's going to work to tailor the offense to fit Wentz' strengths.   There's a whole new Doug in town.  This one is committed to using players where they fit best.  No more flanker screens to Greg Ward.  Greg Ward will still be the punt returner though, because of his great decision making back there.

I've heard that for years

Afan calling for Howie to start finding 4-5 starters is akin to telling this guy that he only needs to start running sub-four-minute miles.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Agree, but are they accurate enough to throw in 2 seconds to a covered receiver and somehow get the ball through?

What about when he did have time?  When he did have a clean pocket?  When he did have open receivers?  Wasnt accurate.  Trust me, there's nobody who wants him to play better more than I do.  

 

5 minutes ago, greend said:

I've heard that for years

But this time he means it.

Agreed.  Doug and Howie together hurts Carson.

Carson Wentz & #6 overall straight up. Let's go.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Carson Wentz & #6 overall straight up. Let's go.

I can’t imagine the Texans trading Watson for anything less than 4 1st round picks. He’s a top 5, maybe top 3 QB