19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Absolutely false.   Because Howie is the one that was overly loyal to those guys and NONE from that list should have been on this team for 2020.  I don't want him making the decisions, because we've already seen him start to kick the can down the road with Jeffery and Malik again.  Restructuring to free up more money for 2021... at the expense of 2022 and 2023.  Howie needs to be stopped.   He's like an alcoholic.   You cut him off so that he can't access that future cap space anymore and hamstring the NEW GM in the future.  

 

I've been staring at the dead money that he's already piled into 2022... and its hideous.  His handling of the cap wasn't 'genius', it was merely CC balance transferring.  That's not how you get out of debt, that's how you end up perpetually in debt.   We need a Dave Ramsey approach.. rice and beans.  Not a 'loophole' finder.   Those loopholes have turned into nooses.

He's restructuring so he can cut these guys, no matter how you juggle the money, the next two years any GM will have to follow the same strategy, dump veterans and their contracts, it's more complicated due to COVID, because the expected increase in the cap (which would have made it much easier to get out from under these contracts, which were negotiated pre-COVID) never materialized. Howie knew the day of reckoning would come, and I'm sure he discussed it with Lurie, do we bite the bullet now or give it one more shot before we blow it up?

Everyone is looking for blame, but bad luck played a big part, who could predict both DIllard and Brooks (who played 14+ games for 7 straight seasons, and a few of the games missed were due to anxiety, not dings) going down, imagine this past season with Dillard- Seumalo - Kelce - Brooks - Lane, with Mailata ready to step in for Lane, Driscoll and Herbig for Seumalo - does Wentz melt down with an above average OL allowing those deep routes to develop?

Here's the team Howie took over in 2016 (bold played on 2017 team) - this was not a young team full of budding stars, it had a few players you could build around but a lot of guys already in their prime or on their way to retirement - Howie turned it into a winner but it wasn't sustainable because of the lack of players 25 and under (Agholor, Hicks, Burton, Allen were it, Rowe would move to SS and revive his career):

QB: Bradford (29), Sanchez (30)

RB: Murray (28) (5yr/$42M), Mathews (29), Sproles (33), Barner (27)

WR: Agholor (23), Cooper (29), Matthews (24), Huff (25), Austin (32)

TE:  Celek (31), Ertz (26), Burton (25)

OL:  Peters (34) - Barbre (32) - Kelce (29) - Tobin (26) - Lane (26); Gardner (30), Kelly (26), Hart (25), Andrews (25)

DL:  Cox (26) - Logan (27) - Barwin (30) - Graham (28); Allen (25), Bair (32), Curry (28), Smith (24)

LB:  Ryans (32) - Kendricks (26) - Hicks (24) - Alonso (26), Braman (29), Goode (27)

DB:  Maxwell (28) - Jenkins (29) - Thurmond (29) - Carroll (29); Rowe (24), Reynolds (25), Maragos (29)

2 hours ago, greend said:

Yada,yada, 5th year, yada...........................quarterbacks have bad years. They especially seem to have those bad years when they have less than 2 seconds almost  every play to find an open receiver and his coach calls plays that take 4 seconds for the receivers to get open .

If Hurts would have been any less mobile he would have royally sucked and not just been meh. Yes some of this is Carson's fault but can we stop acting like he's sucked for 5 years

He did royally suck.  Most saying otherwise probably fell in love with Kolb based off fantasy football stats vs what actually happened on the field.  If you negate his legs, as a QB, his job...he was exponentially worse than Wentz this year.  He's not a starter, he's a guy that is gonna come in and win a game or 2 as a back up.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

He did royally suck.  Most saying otherwise probably fell in love with Kolb based off fantasy football stats vs what actually happened on the field.  If you negate his legs, as a QB, his job...he was exponentially worse than Wentz this year.  He's not a starter, he's a guy that is gonna come in and win a game or 2 as a back up.

He was also a rookie who didn't get to play exhibition games or practice with the 1s until he became the starter. So grade on a curve.

It was a good learning experience for Hurts, but it also demonstrated how stupid some of the beat reporters are, suggesting he should be made the starter in 2021.

On 1/3/2021 at 10:48 PM, D-Shiznit said:

After passing on DK and JJ, Please God, we deserve Chase!

If we do Smith and Waddle will end up having better seasons down the line. The  current coaches won't know how to incorporate Chase into the system.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He was also a rookie who didn't get to play exhibition games or practice with the 1s until he became the starter. So grade on a curve.

It was a good learning experience for Hurts, but it also demonstrated how stupid some of the beat reporters are, suggesting he should be made the starter in 2021.

We are 50/50 here.  Yes he was a a rookie, but I'm gonna disagree with previous comments you made about him.  It's blatant on tape that he doesn't have a NFL caliber arm.  I've said it multiple times, the barometer on a QB is their ability to hit a simple out route (not a deep out).  If you wanna go a second look there, look at him trying to throw a curl route, he can't.  Without his feet set and a full hip drive, he can barely drive a ball past 20 yards.  Outside of him pouting at getting benched for bad play this past weekend, he's a great teammate and a great guy.  He's the back-up QB in philly, aka the fav player on the team.  This team is screwed if they think they can start over with Doug and trade Wentz.

I'm looking forward to the NC.  I really want to see Surtain again, as of right now he looks like a better Dee Milliner to me.  

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

What about when he did have time?  When he did have a clean pocket?  When he did have open receivers?  Wasnt accurate.  Trust me, there's nobody who wants him to play better more than I do.  

 

okay the possible 4 times a game when that all happened at once and he missed I'll give you that. I'll also say that even the most accurate miss throws. 

 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  He and Waddle, if he plays.  

I don't think he's a top 10 pick from what I've seen.  I'm trying to find out if it's technique or his hips.  He doesn't open well attacking the ball, which at the NFL level with QB ball placement he'll get eaten alive.  He has no hops in tight coverage and he can't shadow without being handsy.  I think he has long term/career potential of a M. Jenkins type player though.  Not someone I'm taking at 6.  I need to watch more of this VT kid Farley.

1 minute ago, rambo said:

 

please just hire real coaches not crap former retread eagle players.

21 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  So how many offensive coordinators or offensive coaches need to be fired before they realize the real problem?  It's just painting over rust.  

Each day that goes by just seems more likely that those two return. Seems to me if the "talk” happened Tuesday then by now we would hear something on the plan moving forward, especially with two Scag and Marty already not coming back. If the cord hasn’t been cut then I doubt it will, now it’s just finding out how the structure of the coaches will work, are we hiring a real OC? Is Doug losing play calling? 

1 minute ago, rambo said:

 

Doug must now have the record of having the most assistants get fired during a HC tenure. How many WR coaches, OCs, Off Assistants, Off Consultants have gotten fired in his 5 years? At what point are we going to wake up and see it’s not everybody else, it’s his system that’s the issue. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Much like a decent HC candidate won't want to come here to work with Howie.  Why would a good OC candidate want to come here and work with Pederson?  Lurie is lost man........Again.  Painting over rust.  

Not disagreeing.  Press can go.  Passing game coordinator for a passing game that sucked, QB coach for a QB who regressed into a shell of his former self.  Carson getting benched and his best buddy canned might trigger some self reflection instead of the blame game.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don't think he plays his way into the top 10.  But he is def a 1st rounder, right now.  Might be a target of we trade down.  That's why I want to see him play, post injury.  

Waddle is a wild card in this draft, I'm talking Surtain though.  If Waddle plays, I doubt we'll get much of a show from him in 'highlights'.  What he does away from the ball will be most telling.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Carson Wentz & #6 overall straight up. Let's go.

"Sorry to say this, but I’d like to be traded so I can continue my career somewhere I can chase a championship, or a franchise on the rise”

”We understand, Deshaun.  We want to do right by you; you’ve given us so much.  We have a deal in principle to trade you to the Philadelphia Eagles.  You’ll get the chance to play for Doug Pederson "

On the surface, from the outside looking in, it appears that Lurie has just checked out. How can you not see the obvious dysfunction, not only on the field, but all the leaked stories, the revolving door of offensive AND defensive coaches, and come to the conclusion that things are trending in the right direction? He won his Super Bowl and then just peaced out basically. F you Lurie. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The "Talk" yesterday wouldn't have been about their jobs.  Their futures were pre-determined when they have the press conference on Monday.  

Monday I thought was just about the game Sunday night and a way for Howie to address the reporters questions on the seasons struggles. Then Tuesday was the sit down with Lurie, whether about job security or future plans. But either way it seemed Doug was pretty confident he was keeping his job for 2021, along with Howie. Is what it is at this point, but now the big question is what we plan to do with Wentz? That’ll likely drag out for a while 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I know you're talking Surtain BRAH!!!!!  I'm keying on them both....If Surtain plays well....he's my guy at 6.  \\\🤺

HE posted a new 'highlight' vid of Surtain in his thread in IWTETG.  I'd suggest you watch before getting on him at 6 bandwagon.  I'm just not seeing it as a CB for him.  Typical overrated Bama CB who thrives in bail technique.  Long term he's got Minkah/Jenkins hybrid upside to me.  I just don't see that at 6 when we can possibly get Peppers this off season on a prove it deal (IIRC).

11 minutes ago, rambo said:

 

That would be great but I don't trust McLane

1 minute ago, greend said:

That would be great but I don't trust McLane

I’m sure OCs are gonna be lining up ready to join Doug’s staff and then get fired a year later like the rest. Sounds like a great career move. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

This will solve everything!

Talk about getting off easy.

The Eagles could legit make ZERO changes and just not renew expiring contracts and say those are the changes.  

2 hours ago, RLC said:

This will solve everything!

No more Marty!!!!!!!!!

17 minutes ago, rambo said:

 

I thought it was their plan last year to hire a formal OC, and candidates kept backing out or taking their names out of consideration?

7 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I’m sure OCs are gonna be lining up ready to join Doug’s staff and then get fired a year later like the rest. Sounds like a great career move. 

I'll do it!!!!!! But in my contract I want the ability to tell Doug to STFU without being fired.

4 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I’m sure OCs are gonna be lining up ready to join Doug’s staff and then get fired a year later like the rest. Sounds like a great career move. 

This is what baffles me, if the formal OC is driven on Doug by Howie/Lurie then why wouldn’t Doug just say F you and leave. Doug 100% wants the play calling duties and thinks he’s the best at it. When Howie strips him of that, what keeps Doug from wanting to stay? Especially if he and Wentz aren’t close anymore.

Unless Doug has changed his mind and he is on board with hiring an OC with potential play calling duties.....but I highly doubt that’s the case