Just now, Sack that QB said:

 

Common factor = a-hole FO.

Man the Colts just stole Howies lunch money. 

 

This will haunt the Eagles for a decade, while we watch Wentz most likely become the guy we saw in 2017, and we flounder trying to find another franchise QB.

SMH.   It's amazing we actually were able to win a SB.

 

 

At least with Carson gone, we can fully commit to rebuild. Trade vets, acquire picks, aim for a top 5 picks in 2022.

Just don't pick a QB at 6.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Man the Colts just stole Howies lunch money. 

 

This will haunt the Eagles for a decade, while we watch Wentz most likely become the guy we saw in 2017, and we flounder trying to find another franchise QB.

SMH.   It's amazing we actually were able to win a SB.

Bad drafts since he came back to power, bad contracts have ruined the cap, and now he is getting bent over in trades.  He does nothing well.

I don't care what we gave up to get Wentz and what it costs to move him.  I view his era in Philadelphia a success and while it was way shorter than most would have liked it was still a success.  If you told me we would trade all those picks and have the biggest cap hit ever for a SB win I would take it 100 times out of 100 without thinking twice.  And don't get it twisted Wentz was a major factor as to why the Eagles won that Super Bowl....

Just now, RLC said:

At least with Carson gone, we can fully commit to rebuild. Trade vets, acquire picks, aim for a top 5 picks in 2022.

Just don't pick a QB at 6.

And then we can fully commit to a rebuild.

And then...

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The rebuild was needed because most of Chip's draft picks were gone or underperformed, the team was built off the 2012 and 2013 drafts, and the trade up for Wentz.The FAs that delivered a SB in 2017 were approaching 30 in 2019. There simply wasn't enough young talent to reload, especially when Wentz regressed and could no longer carry the team. But the rebuild essentially began in 2020:

QB: Hurt— unproven 

RG: Sanders (good but has nagging injuries), Scott (3rd string back)

WR: Reagor (unproven), Watkins (unproven), Hightower (unproven), Fulgham (unproven), Ward (backup asked to start in slot)

TE:  Goedert (good but injury prone)

OL:  Dillard (unproven) - Seumalo (good)- Herbig/Juriga (unproven) - Driscoll (backup and unproven long term as starter)- Mailata (potential starter), Toth (unproven)

DL:  Barnett (might not be back), Sweat (rotational DE due to knee concerns— also needs new contract)

LB:  Edwards (backup who asked to start due to lack of talent), Singleton (solid), Bradley (unproven), Taylor (unproven)

CB:  ???

S:  Wallace (unproven), Epps (backup)

They don't need a lot of picks on offense, they have two years to cycle out Brooks and Lane. It's the defense that needs to be rebuilt.

 

Yeah looking fantastic. Sure hope every single one of those unproven players pans out that’s about the only way. You act like those guys are sure to be good. They could easily be like other picks we had ala JJAW whom you don’t include by yesterday say are flourishing. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

Aaron Rodgers couldn't win with this team

we will have some winning seasons to come for sure, but we would have to get extremely lucky for us to find another franchise QB in the next 5 years with Howie drafting. 

Wentz will clearly be missed here, and we can thank Howie for that. 

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

At least with Carson gone, we can fully commit to rebuild. Trade vets, acquire picks, aim for a top 5 picks in 2022.

Just don't pick a QB at 6.

We cant get rid of many vets.  All those red numbers in parentheses in the cap savings column on the far right, those are additional dead cap numbers to cut / trade those players.

 

 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

And then we can fully commit to a rebuild.

And then...

yup AND when we cant find/get a franchise qb, we will wash/rinse/repeat. 

I know most people here aren't going to be on board with a tank year in 2021 by September, and frankly, I can't blame you, it's hard to root against your team, but I'm fully 100% in on a Sixers-level tank for the Eagles. I hope we get a top 5 pick the next 2 seasons minimum.

We got our SB. I'm fine sitting back for a few years, amassing top 5 talent and rebuilding this thing organically.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

The biggest difference is what they will get in return.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We cant get rid of many vets.  All those red numbers in parentheses in the cap savings column on the far right, those are additional dead cap numbers to cut / trade those players.

 

Probably should trade Cox and Graham. Still get a little savings. Not winning anything right now so you are wasting likely cox’s and Graham’s last couple years of their prime and by the time you are out of the rebuild (more cox cause Graham is gone next year anyway) they won’t be the same players. So get some value for them instead of wasting prime years and then when you are ascending they aren’t good anymore making big money (Cox not Graham as he’s gone next year)

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

QB: Hurts

RG: Sanders, Scott

WR: Reagor, Watkins, Hightower, Fulgham, Ward

TE:  Goedert

OL:  Dillard - Seumalo - Herbig/Juriga - Driscoll - Mailata, Toth

DL:  Barnett, Sweat

LB:  Edwards, Singleton, Bradley, Taylor

CB:  ???

S:  Wallace, Epps

Pretty depressing 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I know most people here aren't going to be on board with a tank year in 2021 by September, and frankly, I can't blame you, it's hard to root against your team, but I'm fully 100% in on a Sixers-level tank for the Eagles. I hope we get a top 5 pick the next 2 seasons minimum.

We got our SB. I'm fine sitting back for a few years, amassing top 5 talent and rebuilding this thing organically.

I don't think we will have much choice.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah looking fantastic. Sure hope every single one of those unproven players pans out that’s about the only way. You act like those guys are sure to be good. They could easily dial like other picks we had ala JJAW whom you don’t include by yesterday say are flourishing. 

On top of that, Singleton is a FA this year, Barnett will not be back at that cap number.

Next year from that list, Goedert, Edwards, Herbig, Fulgham, Sweat and Mailata are free agents.

So almost half of those guys are FA this year or next, and we will have not cap room to do any extension this year.

What a mess.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We cant get rid of many vets.  All those red numbers in parentheses in the cap savings column on the far right, those are additional dead cap numbers to cut / trade those players.

I'm with you. Some of those aren't happening. Cox/Lane/Brooks are with us no matter what.

The rest though? If they're trading them, we generally will save cap space.

BLOW.IT.UP.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

At least with Carson gone, we can fully commit to rebuild. Trade vets, acquire picks, aim for a top 5 picks in 2022.

Just don't pick a QB at 6.

You will need s mix of vets and youth  , team has to be competitive,  losing breeds losing  , and it's hard to shake a losing culture. 

It's not as simple as saying trade all vets , vets are coaches too , it's a young inexperienced coaching staff , in nfl terms. They will need vets  , and quality ones , ones the young guys will look up to.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Pretty depressing 

More amazing yesterday talks about JJAW flourishing with sirianni into a role. Today no mention of him. 

38 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

Basically, yes. 
 

happy this damn drama found an endpoint

sad that this is the conclusion of what I thought was going to be a franchise QB relationship for us for 10+ years and that we FINALLY had our guy again  

Angry that it devolved to this - nobody comes out looking good here

indifferent - yeah, starting to think that going back to searching for a franchise level QB is going to make Sunday football optional for a while. 

38 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

29 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

Basically, yes. 
 

happy this damn drama found an endpoint

sad that this is the conclusion of what I thought was going to be a franchise QB relationship for us for 10+ years and that we FINALLY had our guy again  

Angry that it devolved to this - nobody comes out looking good here - especially at that pathetic compensation level

indifferent - yeah, starting to think that going back to searching for a franchise level QB is going to make Sunday football optional for a while. 

If the Colts can bring Wentz back to 2017, it's a great trade for them.

If they can't and they get the 2020 version, it's a good trade for us.

If it's somewhere in between, it's a fair trade.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I don't think we will have much choice.

Probably right about that. But say the Eagles go 3-13 in 2021 or something and have cap room again in 2022. I wouldn't put it past Howie to try and go crazy in free agency if he thinks his seat is getting warmer. Which I would not do. I want to build through the draft. Add blue chip talent. Amass loads of cap room, and then supplement the missing pieces in a few years once the young talent is amassed.

Right now I think there’s at least a 75% chance the Eagles go QB round 1. QB factory! 

What's the penalty if the Eagles say "screw it, we are going over the cap this year"???

"The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor. Penalties for violating or circumventing the cap regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks."

Sort of nonspecific.  If the penalty were a 3rd round pick (I'm sure it'd be worse), I would cut or trade EVERYONE and take the dead hits.  Cox, Brooks, Lane, Ertz, Slay, Mcleod, Barnett, maybe even Hargrave.  If you are collecting a non-rookie paycheck, you are gone.