1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bigger feeling they likely get a late round pick for ertz or he’s just outright released as teams know we want to move on. I don’t think after the season he had the bidding war is going to be high for ertz at 30 needing a new contract and giving up draft capital. 

do think slay and Cox have good value in a deal. Also think BG likely could net you a mid round pick with conditions to be higher 

I'd hope to get a 6th for Ertz from someone who doesn't want to compete for him. That's the best case. 

Cox, BG and Slay could have real value. The rest would just be dumping salary for late picks.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Then you might need to find something else to do on Sundays this fall.

If we suck as bad as I think we are going to you are probably right. 

Yup.  Time to push the detonator down on this team and sell off as many big veteran contracts as we can. 

Next season is gonna suck. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

If the options are trade up for QB, stay for a QB, trade down and stay for best non-QB available, I'm putting my money on trade-down.

Both Howie/Lurie talked about this in their press conferences. Trading down is also analytically the correct move.

I am more of the belief that they go with hurts in 2021 then draft a quarterback at six or move up.

However I could see the Eagles falling in love with one of the three quarterbacks behind Lawrence and if they do they will move heaven and earth to try to get that player. They showed that with Carson Wentz that if they fall in love with one they’re willing to go get one.  they were also willing to draft one they probably loved even with a QB they were paying 100 mil too. So we comes down to in their scouting whether or not they love one or talk themselves into loving one when they don’t  

 

Apparently an unpopular opinion, but how do you guys think this is such a horrific trade? What exactly did you want/expect from this? A while ago people would have been throwing parties if the eagles even sniffed a 1st and now we get most likely a first and a third and it's the worst thing ever? Is it just because Howie made the trade? How many questions can I ask in a row? .....I also think Howie should be replaced and for some reason he's able to escape accountability for literally everything , but seriously this is a good trade everything considered.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don't have a choice.  That's what is happening and is needed.  Obviously with the cap issues and lack of young talent.  Not selling and trying to build for 2023/2024 would be stupid and just prolong our pain.  

Exactly.

This would be so much more upsetting if not for 2/4/18.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Exactly.

This would be so much more upsetting if not for 2/4/18.

I am fine with doing a full rebuild and tanking. That to me doesn’t bother me as much as the person who got you to the point of where you have to do a complete full tank and rebuild is the one conducting that full tank and rebuild. The guy who got you into the mess shouldn’t be the guy trying to get you out of the mess. And you can spin it too well they were gonna have to do a rebuild eventually however it didn’t have to be this dire of a rebuild

Howie did not plan on being in this position this dire that he is in today. Sam hinkie planned on being in that position they were in, making smart long term moves and doing that to get to where they wanted to go. Howie did not plan for it being this bad or this dire or trading Carson 3 years after a super bowl. howie messed up so many times with drafting, trades and contracts  that they are far worse off than what he anticipated after SB 3 years ago 

For the QB curious guys, found this breakdown of the top 4 QBs by a QB program coach.

 

2 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Apparently an unpopular opinion, but how do you guys think this is such a horrific trade? What exactly did you want/expect from this? A while ago people would have been throwing parties if the eagles even sniffed a 1st and now we get most likely a first and a third and it's the worst thing ever? Is it just because Howie made the trade? How many questions can I ask in a row? .....I also think Howie should be replaced and for some reason he's able to escape accountability for literally everything , but seriously this is a good trade everything considered.

The trade should never have happened, and didn’t need to happen — that’s the biggest factor

Had the Eagles not outsmarted themselves and just taken the best player on the board last year at the draft (Chinn, Dobbins, etc) and Carson Wentz had a really bad season, then all of the organization‘s energy would have been spent on fixing the underlying issues which made him play badly.  Instead, the Eagles have taken the worst dead cap hit in NFL history to give another team a 28 year-old franchise QB — who will be salvaged — and are left with the bottom-tier NFL starter whose selection precipitated the whole mess.

As far as the actual trade?  A 1st, 3rd, and a young player would have been adequate.  Instead, they had to settle for a conditional 2nd in 2022 which might be a 1st, and no young talent coming back in the deal.  Not a strong trade at all.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

This checks out with what we saw 

You can stop trashing him now. He's gone.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don't have a choice. 

I have a choice in watching crap or doing something else on my Sundays next season. If they don't care about winning why should I care? If you purposely put crap on a field you expect people to watch?

41 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Not when you consider the cap hit.

I am considering the cap hit. 2021 is brutal, regardless. However, in 2022 we get cap relief and a first or second round pick.

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the dead money is $34 million but the deal actually saves some cap space. The dead money was going to happen with any trade and they would be in a terrible cap situation even if they didn't trade him.  

I think I saw somewhere it's around 800K right?

Lose 34M but save 800k

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

I have a choice in watching crap or doing something else on my Sundays next season. If they don't care about winning why should I care? If you purposely put crap on a field you expect people to watch?

They are going to be bad anyway. At this point how bad are they going to be. Would you rather be bad and pick 12th? Or would rather bad bad picking top 3 with extra draft picks?  That’s the question 

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

I have a choice in watching crap or doing something else on my Sundays next season. If they don't care about winning why should I care? If you purposely put crap on a field you expect people to watch?

44 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What's the penalty if the Eagles say "screw it, we are going over the cap this year"???

"The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor. Penalties for violating or circumventing the cap regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks."

Sort of nonspecific.  If the penalty were a 3rd round pick (I'm sure it'd be worse), I would cut or trade EVERYONE and take the dead hits.  Cox, Brooks, Lane, Ertz, Slay, Mcleod, Barnett, maybe even Hargrave.  If you are collecting a non-rookie paycheck, you are gone.

You can’t say screw it and just pay a penalty and be done. You’ll get penalized until you get under the cap. 

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I have a choice in watching crap or doing something else on my Sundays next season. If they don't care about winning why should I care? If you purposely put crap on a field you expect people to watch?

As a long time Eagles fan, I am more than used to watching really bad teams. You young whippersnappers have no idea how grim it was.

30 minutes ago, devpool said:

Lol a 3rd and a future 2nd. If Howie drafts a Qb at 6 I will lose my Fing mind

Because you don’t like the prospects or just overall? Because they have en empty QB room right now 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are going to be bad anyway. At this point how bad are they going to be. Would you rather be bad and pick 12th? Or would rather bad bad picking top 3 with extra draft picks?  That’s the question 

I don't mind bad when you are actually TRYING to win. I have no interest in watching a purposefully bad product. 

Interesting work-around.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

As a long time Eagles fan, I am more than used to watching really bad teams. You young whippersnappers have no idea how grim it was.

I'm not super young. I'm not old but I'm not a kid. 

46 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Oh yeah, it looks so asymmetrical and gross.

Oh man sure does.  No more 8-8 either.  Either 9-8 or 8-9.  Not a fan of this.

Just now, Uscg-green said:

I don't mind bad when you are actually TRYING to win. I have no interest in watching a purposefully bad product. 

I don’t blame you i much rather just be very bad then be in purgatory. Long view is the better view then the short term i want to just see them trying to win. Ask the Jets fans how they currently feel about losing out on Lawrence cause they wanted to try to win a couple meaningless games. 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

As a long time Eagles fan, I am more than used to watching really bad teams. You young whippersnappers have no idea how grim it was.

They are about to find out how grim the next couple years. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Interesting work-around.

some of AFan's best writing yet.