Howie jamming this in his office after the Wentz trade...

 

 

13 hours ago, Original Sin said:

34 million is not sunk cost to the owner ,you can count on that.  34 million could have allowed the eagles to land  a cpl young free agents , they basically paid 34 million for Wentz to go away.

More like making the best of a bad situation, the leaks should be coming out any time now

13 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

No they didn't.  That $34M represents money already paid to Carson in the past.  It is the very definition of a "Sunk Cost".

The foolish thing would be to keep him around and waste even more money on him as the Washer brigade wanted.

Prepaid expense, like a lost gift card. I don’t think they readily threw away the $34mil, his agent knew where the leverage was. I guess he signed his contract in bad faith and nothing they could do about it, IOW his idea not theirs 

14 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Prepaid expense, like a lost gift card. I don’t think they readily threw away the $34mil, his agent knew where the leverage was. I guess he signed his contract in bad faith and nothing they could do about it, IOW his idea not theirs 

Lets not forget as well that Lurie / the organisation were on the hook to pay Carson whether they traded him or not. If they didn't trade him then they were on the hook for far more than the sunk cost of $34M and there was no guarantee that he was going to turn things around here. So whilst it's a huge dead cap hit they do potentially save themselves future pain in doing so.

13 hours ago, Original Sin said:

If you were a fan of Wentz or not , I think we can all agree it was time for him and the Eagles to move on . Nothing good would have come from bringing him back.

 

Yeah, after his ultimatum 

1 hour ago, The guy in France said:

Yeah, after his ultimatum 

Hey, just because Schefter, Mort, Rapoport, Caplan, McManus, Bowen, McLane, Berman, said he requested a trade doesn't mean it's true. Until I hear my hero Carson come out and say it I won't believe it. Clearly just a case of the media making things up.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if the backup they bring in is mccown. He obviously isn’t a great player but very highly thought of in the QB room and can be like having another coach in that QB room. 

Honestly I hope they don’t do that. People seem to forget the Eagles had two quarterbacks hurt in that playoff game against Seattle. They had to use him, cause they had no one else. If he has to play real minutes, because Hurts goes down or falters we will be looking for another quarterback soon after. 

I know it's been talked about, but I'm not sure trading up is even possible. Jags are drafting Lawrence, Jets are more than likely taking Wilson. Both teams are starved for QBs and have been for some time now. Not sure why either of them would budge.

12 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

So the Siri hire was for Hurts and not Wentz?

Do you think any thought went into it?

5 hours ago, no1birdsfan said:

Loseman is the king of self preservation. Drafting a QB at 6 would give him even more security/time so it’s what I expect to happen at this point in time. 

He could literally take a dump in Lurie's hat and not get fired.

10 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

Funny that he’s going right back to Press Taylor and Mike Groh. I guess Howie, Jeff, and the rest of us will find out soon enough if they should of been fired. 

Not necessarily, a good head coach can help hide some of the flaws of their position coaches. 

Oh and I will not buy another Eagle's jersey until Howie is gone. They seem to be bad investments. 

9 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Maybe they would be. Fournette has to be a FA soon and it doesn't  seem like they're in love with Rojo

They love rojo ,and just used a 3rd on Keyshawn Vaughn last draft. who they also love...they wont be trading picks for any player ,let alone a RB.

They may add one in draft late or a vet rb free agent ,but they wont be trading for one. And fournette will be gone , they have other free agents who take priority. 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I feel you on that. I hate losing in general. Next year when the Eagles suck I will still hate losing. However I can at least understand the Flyers losing tonight. It makes a ton of sense. the fact they played as well as they did I was surprised.

Good point for the Flyers 

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

They love rojo ,and just used a 3rd on Keyshawn Vaughn last draft. who they also love...they wont be trading picks for any player ,let alone a RB.

They may add one in draft late or a vet rb free agent ,but they wont be trading for one. And fournette will be gone , they have other free agents who take priority. 

Also rumor has it that they were very close to cutting Fournette before the playoffs

9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Also rumor has it that they were very close to cutting Fournette before the playoffs

Because he  acted up  , because they sat him and he wasn't getting the touches he wanted . If Rojo  didnt break his finger and miss a cpl games , they may have cut him.

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get why they had to trade them at this point in time. And I can’t argue that or say they shouldn’t of done it because they are allowed it to get to that point. But I think the more fascinating thing for me going forward is this you’re gonna be able to determine if Carson Wentz’s issues are strictly him and he’s not very good or if it was more of a organizational issue for his decline here. Because if he goes to Indianapolis and has success because their team around him is good and they fix the issues then that tells me the Eagles organization better take a long look in the mirror. Meanwhile if Carson goes to Indianapolis and struggles and he’s not good then tells it is more about Carson Wentz the player then the organization for his downfall.

Granted it could be both Carson wentz struggles and eagle still fail in their rebuild. 

I guess there is no 3rd option right? It couldn't have been a coaching issue after Reich and Defillippo left?

6 hours ago, no1birdsfan said:

Loseman is the king of self preservation. Drafting a QB at 6 would give him even more security/time so it’s what I expect to happen at this point in time. 

This would be so Howie.

On the other hand, Howie doing everything to prop up Hurts to also look good would be Howie-esque. 

@PFF

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8h

 

Jalen Hurts this season:

 

Avg. depth of target: 10.1 yds (1st)

 

Avg. time to throw: 3.37s (1st)

*min. 185 dropbacks

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Hey, just because Schefter, Mort, Rapoport, Caplan, McManus, Bowen, McLane, Berman, said he requested a trade doesn't mean it's true. Until I hear my hero Carson come out and say it I won't believe it. Clearly just a case of the media making things up.

 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Honestly I hope they don’t do that. People seem to forget the Eagles had two quarterbacks hurt in that playoff game against Seattle. They had to use him, cause they had no one else. If he has to play real minutes, because Hurts goes down or falters we will be looking for another quarterback soon after. 

For next year it doesn’t matter.  Prefer not to have a backup who can win games in 2021.

8 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The conspiracy theories in here are just pathetic... 

Expand please?

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

Fans have trouble accepting crap happens in sports, just like business (as an economic historian who has chronicled some doozies of billion dollar mistakes, "it was a good idea at the time").

Wentz was a good move at the time, in 2017 it looked brilliant, then he was injured and lost some mobility, still played well in 2018 but Doug really didn't know what to do with a highly mobile QB morphing into more of a traditional pocket QB. As long as Stoutland kept the OL together, the flaws could be hidden. The extension was signed after the 2018 season where Wentz still looked like a top ten QB who might evolve into a top five QB.

Nor was it a bad deal, QB salaries were $30+M or more for the top ten best paid, Big Ben $34M, Cousins and Goff $33M. Mahomes deal shows what happens if you wait.

2019 is when the cracks started to show with Wentz, the OL was solid, but the skill players deteriorated, and Doug's scheme showed its holes.

2020 the roof caved in. Some was Wentz, some was the OL, some was Ertz getting injured, a lot was really bad schemes and play calling by Doug (run, we don't run the ball here!)

If the Eagles thought Hurts was as good as they say they thought, then it was a no-brainer, because Wentz in 2019 regressed, a strong finish against weak competition, but an erratic season that raised questions. If Wentz felt threatened by Hurts, he's not a franchise QB, no franchise QB would feel threatened by a late 2nd rd pick who was a 2 year project. Drafting Chinn would not have helped Wentz.

Trading Wentz is the right move, because he's messed up mentally and I think Siri concluded he couldn't salvage him. Reich probably isn't expecting the Wentz of 2017, he'd be happy with the Wentz somewhere between 2018 and 2019, he has no dead money, and if Wentz can play a notch above Rivers, Indy has a shot at 12-4 and home field advantage in the playoffs. Which also means that if Wentz's "success" is a QBR of 65 or so, i.e. he's 15-20th among starting QBs, no loss, he wouldn't do that here. Now if he's in the top ten, yeah, there's some seller's regret.

As far as Hurts, I laugh at anyone who can "know" how good he is right now. Give him a full offseason of coaching and practice, draft a top weapon (CHase/Pitts/Smith) and some other help, and give him a full season, then you'll have a good idea what you have. We've seen QBs make big jumps in year 2 and others flat line.

 

As I said before - bring in Foles to be the backup and if our 2nd year starter is having an MVP season we should seriously consider the Tonya Harding around week 13. 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

This would be so Howie.

On the other hand, Howie doing everything to prop up Hurts to also look good would be Howie-esque. 

Can and probably will be both.

I guess the owner and his lackey are going to tuck and hide.  Not surprised, it’s just sad.  There is no way to spin this, it is a total and complete failure largely of their own making.  I guess the strategy is to turtle up until closer to the draft, then minimize the discussion and pivot to how "amazing” Hurts was in 4 games.  

That will only get them so far.  Make no mistake, these clowns will be extremely eager to change the narrative.   A first round QB will help them do that.  Even a sub optimal prospect overdrafted into a terrible team devoid of young talent.

I continue to hope that enough fans wake up, that something can get through to this owner that what he is doing is not ok and will no longer be accepted.

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

Can and probably will be both.

I guess the owner and his lackey are going to tuck and hide.  Not surprised, it’s just sad.  There is no way to spin this, it is a total and complete failure largely of their own making.  I guess the strategy is to turtle up until closer to the draft, then minimize the discussion and pivot to how "amazing” Hurts was in 4 games.  

That will only get them so far.  Make no mistake, these clowns will be extremely eager to change the narrative.   A first round QB will help them do that.  Even a sub optimal prospect overdrafted into a terrible team devoid of young talent.

I continue to hope that enough fans wake up, that something can get through to this owner that what he is doing is not ok and will no longer be accepted.

In this case I think the owner is the lackey

9 hours ago, John_C said:

Gee... where have I seen this before?  Oh yeah.... back on draft night.

spot on article.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/carson-wentz-era-really-ended-when-eagles-drafted-jalen-hurts

 

I was just complaining about Reuben Frank and how he isn't that great anymore but this is SPOT ON.

But I doubt it. We’re talking about a guy who had the 7^th-highest passer rating in NFL history by a quarterback in his first four seasons. He had his ups and downs in 2018 and 2019 but nothing that hinted at what we saw this past year.

The Eagles broke Carson Wentz.

They invested a ton of draft picks in him, they gave him a record contract and then within months they took a premium draft pick that they could have used to fill a legitimate need and drafted a quarterback they didn’t need.

Franchise quarterbacks come don’t come along very often. The Eagles had one. Now they probably don’t. And they only have themselves to blame.

Howie's draft

 

6.

Trey Lance

QB North Dakota State

37.

Mac Jones

QB Alabama

70.

Davis Mills

QB Stanford

84.

Kellen Mond

QB Texas A&M

151.

Shane Buechele

QB SMU

157.

KJ Costello

QB Mississippi St

191.

Feleipe Franks

QB Arkansas

220.

Ian Book

QB Notre Dame

232.

Sam Ehlinger

QB Texas