2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

They aren't going to tank , players have prior so do coaches,  they just may not be very competitive. 

There is ground level tanking...that's putting Sudfeld in the second half to ensure a loss.

And then there is administrative tanking.  File sale.  Etc.  That's absolutely happening.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Agree. Getting a 2020 3rd and a 2021 (likely) 1st for a guy who was terrible in 2020 and clearly wanted out was a solid job by Roseman. If the initial offer was 2 2nds, I like getting the 3rd this year and the conditional 1st next year (as an aside, had the initial reporting been a conditional 1st instead of a conditional 2nd might have influenced reactions, so makes me think Schefter's sources were in Indy). Anyone complaining that we didn't get more, given the situation, is delusional. Think of it this way -- Stafford, who played better and has a much better/friendlier contract (2 years, $43mm with no guarantees vs. 4 years, $98.4mm of which $40.4mm is gteed for Carson on 3rd day of year (full 2021 and $15mm of 2022)). So 2 years of Stafford for $43mm, but full flexibility, or 2 years of Carson for $47.4mm with most of it guaranteed. Stafford got the Lions a 2021 3rd, a 2022 1st and a 2023 1st, but the Lions had to take back Goff's brutal contract with $43mm of remaining guarantees over the next 2 years. So...if that 2023 1st was for taking Goff, then we basically got the same deal for Wentz that the Lions got for Stafford by not taking back a brutal contract. 

The problem is how we got to this place -- getting put in a corner where we had to trade him in the first place. Drafting Hurts was remarkably dumb -- we knew Wentz bristled at the Foles stuff, and once Nick is gone we draft a QB in the second round. If you think Wentz should be tougher, well, you knew he wasn't and gave him that contract. If you weren't sold, exercise the 5th year option for 2020 and draft Hurts. But signing him to a massive deal and then bringing in a 2nd round QB for a guy you know won't handle it well? Idiocy. 

Then, you hire a new coach and don't get Wentz on board with it? That was legitimate insanity. The dead money is basically the same as having him on the roster, so it was a free option to keep him for 2021 and see if the new staff can fix him. How do you not sell him on that idea, and instead trade him for no savings? We all heard that they were looking for a coach to work with Carson, and then this? You have a guy who has shown a massive ceiling -- if you are spending the cap space anyway, take the year to see if he is fixable.

So, saying Roseman did a good job with the trade is a akin to congratulating your kids for mowing the lawn...after they burned the house down.

I think the disappointment with the trade itself comes from the rumors of 2 first round picks and players being involved.  We all found that shocking.

Just after the Goff/Stafford trade and just before the Wentz smoke went up...a conditional and likely 1st + 3rd for Wentz...I think everyone would actually be pleasantly surprised with that.

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im not talking about a running QB.  Im talking about an adequate QB who is capable of passing or running and just making plays, and building your team that way instead of trying to find the magical superhero generational QB who really doesnt exist.

This is absolutely a trend in the NFL, the signs are everywhere.  Theres a reason teams are offloading these big QB contracts, and moving guys around.  Teams are starting to understand the value of rookie contracts (Eagles themselves are an example) and keeping cap flexibility for the rest of the team year to year

I don't think the Eagles are a great example of a team understanding the value of rookie contracts and cap flexibility.  

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You missed the Super Bowl, evidently.  Mahomes was missing 2 OT.  The Eagles were missing 4 starting OL most of the season.  Mahomes is the highest paid player in the NFL — biggest contract in all of sports, actually.

A QB NEEDS "SOMETHING” TO WORK WITH

You're implying Mahomes and Wentz are in the same stratosphere? Laughable. That Chiefs offense played the hottest defense in the league filled with stud players everywhere. Oh, and Mahomes was playing on one foot.

Wentz was throwing screen passes into the upper deck against teams like the Giants.

But again, the 18/19 Wentz is likely the real Wentz, which is the 14th best QB in the league (if you wanna pick that and say top 12 or whatever, fine I guess....). Regardless, that guy, especially at $30 million a year, will never in a million years outduel a guy like Pat Mahomes unless he's on a super team.

Even Jay Glazer just reported that no other team even came close to making an offer. To be honest, if Indy had held out they could have had Wentz for a lot less. We really had no other trade partners for him. So yeah, not mad at 1+3.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

You're implying Mahomes and Wentz are in the same stratosphere? Laughable. That Chiefs offense played the hottest defense in the league filled with stud players everywhere. Oh, and Mahomes was playing on one foot.

Wentz was throwing screen passes into the upper deck against teams like the Giants.

But again, the 18/19 Wentz is likely the real Wentz, which is the 14th best QB in the league (if you wanna pick that and say top 12 or whatever, fine I guess....). Regardless, that guy, especially at $30 million a year, will never in a million years outduel a guy like Pat Mahomes unless he's on a super team.

Feel like we need a new rule -- no comparing anyone to Mahomes. That guy is on a different level than anyone I have seen play. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the disappointment with the trade itself comes from the rumors of 2 first round picks and players being involved.  We all found that shocking.

Just after the Goff/Stafford trade and just before the Wentz smoke went up...a conditional and likely 1st + 3rd for Wentz...I think everyone would actually be pleasantly surprised with that.

I suspect those rumors were started by the Eagles.

Now, we are to believe that Doug and Carson did not speak to each other for 10 weeks.

I suspect that rumor was started by the Eagles.

44 minutes ago, John_C said:

Unequivocally, YES.  There are many reasons why they will do this...  besides the transition from NFL football team trying to compete for championships to QB Factory.

The current Lowie programming will enable them to justify almost any move for a QB, including a trade up mortgaging future resources.  

Also, don't dismiss how badly Lowie will want to change the narrative on Wentz, Hurts and the train wreck they have caused here.  If they take one of the two top receivers, it will only continue that discussion.  "Wow, wonder what Wentz would have done with this.... looks like Hurts doesn't have the skill set to get this guy the ball... etc. etc."  If (when) they take a Justin Fields, they will duck or block and transition every question (even the "what's different this time") into how excited they are to have a new guy.

Counter argument:  I think their ego takes them the other direction and they are unwilling to admit that Hurts is not Russell Wilson (or anything close).  They will ride with him this year and they will blame his failure on Covid year, cap issues, mortgaging the future to repeat, etc.  They may want to change the narrative, but they both seem to be too big of egomaniacs to do that.  We will see this next when then refuse to take any responsibility for the Wentz failure, even though they are both the main cause.  

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I only halfway agree.

I 100% think that Hurts is a bad passer with the upside of becoming a mediocre one.

Contrary to popular belief, even if I do not show it on the blog, I actually enjoy being surprised by players who I did not think were good enough.  So if Hurts can be the guy, great.  But we have a FO whose judgement I do not trust.  So I am absolutely concerned that Hurts will be just good enough to fool the FO and waste our time.

I'm not going to actively root against the guy, but I don't think it would be the worst thing if the decision was made more obvious for our moronic FO.  Not to mention, I want a top 3 pick in 2022.

Actively rooting against the guy is what I'm talking about. Like the Wentz haters did every Sunday.

Just now, DumbleBear said:

So what you want to have happen "if you're an Eagles fan" is you want Wentz to be GOOD in Indy , correct? 

Why? Because if they stink, you'll get a high 2nd round pick, but if they're good ... like get to AFC Championship game good, you'll get a 28-32 pick in the first?

Am I accurate? Sorry I don't read ESPN. After Bob Ley, they just make me vomit most of the time. 

I guess Nirvana for us is he stays healthy, plays 75% of the snaps (triggering the 1st rounder) but the rest of the team sucks and they send us a solid 1st round pick. But that team is built well. I'm expecting a pick in the mid 20s.

If the reports of Wentz not speaking to Doug are true, because of the Eagles drafting Hurts, then that likely means Doug wanted Hurts. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Actively rooting against the guy is what I'm talking about. Like the Wentz haters did every Sunday.

So.. you think his play last year wasn't atrocious?

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Hot Take of the Day!!!!!  

 

Name one player under 30, on this team that would get you a 1st round draft pick in return.  I'll go a step further.  Name 3 players under 27 that would get you at least a 2nd round draft pick in return. 

 

The roster is bad.  Terrible actually.  I'll go round and round all day on this one.  

To play this out...I think Reagor's trade value has already dipped below a 2, ditto Hurts.  No one they got later in 2020 draft improved their stock.  

2019 draft: All players have lost value if traded right now, Sanders included.  No one gets a 2.

2018: This actually has some bright spots.  Goedert and Mailata would have some real value in a trade.  I don't think Goedert actually fetches a 2, but he's close.  Mailata is the wild-card.  He still may only be a backup, but the still-there potential probably makes him the most valuable player on our entire team.  Sweat has value, but probably only mid-round in a trade right now.

2017: Barnett has Sweat-like value.  

I've got 1 player on the roster at any age, Mailata, that could get a 2 or better from the right GM who has a high opinion of his future.

Just now, Infam said:

So.. you think his play last year wasn't atrocious?

Every aspect of the Eagles was atrocious last year.

23 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hint: The roster wasn't bad, but the coaching/QB was atrocious.

Are you Fing high?  Name some of this roster that wasn't bad. Sanders, Cox, Slay, Reagor (maybe) Graham. Who else ya got?

Big fan of the better pick coming next year, after Roseman is probably canned. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

If the reports of Wentz not speaking to Doug are true, because of the Eagles drafting Hurts, then that likely means Doug wanted Hurts. 

Honestly, at this point, we really can't make any assumptions, no matter how logical. If Doug wanted Hurts, and we are moving forward with Hurts, then why isn't Doug still here? We need to assume they are all making this up as they go. Here's my most likely scenario, which is all a guess. 

1. Doug says he wants to promote Taylor, keep Wentz, change little and run it back. Lurie decides he wants change and a coach that can work with Wentz, so they can Doug.

2. During the coaching search, they focus on guys to "fix" Wentz and end up landing on Reich's OC. So far everything makes sense. 

3. BUT...these geniuses don't get Wentz to buy in to the hire. So they spend weeks finding a coach for Wentz, and the incompetent fools never confirm that hiring Sirianni will fix the issues and make Carson want to stay. 

4. Carson makes it known he wants out, regardless of the coaching change. 

5. The team is forced to trade a guy who wants out, despite basing their whole coaching change around him.

If this is how it happened, it is breathtaking stupidity.

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

The 2020 roster is not the same as the 2021 roster. The 2021 roster is going to be awful. 

Fletcher Cox had a really good year (again). Is worth a 1st? No because of age/money. Did he play better than any 1st rounder could have?
Yes. It's not the same thing.

The 2020 roster was awful 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I suspect those rumors were started by the Eagles.

Now, we are to believe that Doug and Carson did not speak to each other for 10 weeks.

I suspect that rumor was started by the Eagles.

I'm sure it was.  I also bet that Chicago may or may not have had a better offer than Indy (nothing Earth shattering) that was withdrawn after Wentz made it known he didn't want to be there.  No one is incentivized to engage in a bidding war when one team learns the player doesn't want to be there and the other realizes they are the only feasible option.

I don't think two 1's were ever on the table, but they probably lost a little bit because of Wentz' involvement.  Maybe just a guaranteed 1 or another mid-round pick.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

But yet he looked like **** when his o line sucked and his record was dog **** when he dropped back 60+ times (like wentz) weird

 

If guys could catch passes that hit them in the hands, that's a competitive game. Mahomes looked super human with some of the stuff he was pulling.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If the reports of Wentz not speaking to Doug are true, because of the Eagles drafting Hurts, then that likely means Doug wanted Hurts. 

Leave it to the Eagles to kill two birds with one stone by leaking out that information. I’m still trying to figure out the Eagles leak of DeSean is in a gang. so is he still in the gang or did the gang situation resolve itself? Is Jeremy maclin still on the golf course and that’s why they couldn’t get a hold of him for a contract? Have a bunch more about eagles leaks when people leave the organization. 

8 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

So what you want to have happen "if you're an Eagles fan" is you want Wentz to be GOOD in Indy , correct? 

Why? Because if they stink, you'll get a high 2nd round pick, but if they're good ... like get to AFC Championship game good, you'll get a 28-32 pick in the first?

Am I accurate? Sorry I don't read ESPN. After Bob Ley, they just make me vomit most of the time. 

I think we want the Colts to stink, but he plays 75% of the downs.  I have a hard time seeing them being bad though.

If Doug wants to work again in the NFL as a head coach he has to speak on the new rumor about not talking.  If that is true that looks really bad on Doug and Wentz.  Wentz will get another job as we can tell but Doug will need to explain this.  This looks like Doug lost the locker room.  Then you had reports in the last game people being held back from confronting Doug on the sidelines.  Sounds like Doug let things get way out of control.  

I am glad both are gone it is time to move on.  Speaking of moving on we need to just move on from anyone with any kind of value.  Cox - Johnson - Brooks - Graham - Ertz - Slay -  ETC.  Pull the band aid off and rip it apart. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

The 2020 roster was awful 

But it's going to look really good compared to 2021.   We are so screwed.  

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If the reports of Wentz not speaking to Doug are true, because of the Eagles drafting Hurts, then that likely means Doug wanted Hurts. 

But they aren't because it's pretty damn tough for the head coach and qb not to talk