36 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Man I like Carson and dont want them to trade him.  Rather they hire a different HC.

But I swear to some of you it's like he can do no wrong.  Everyone knows all the issues on offense as it's been repeated numerous times.  All I'm saying is he needs to look in the mirror and ask how he can get better.  Not just blame all his struggles on coaching, O-line and receivers.

And who the hell said this is what he does?  From what I've seen over the years he certainly looks in the mirror. You guys that act like you know what goes on behind the scenes make me roar with laughter.

And to take the next step I never said he didn't have issues go back and look at my quote of you. CARSON HAD ISSUES but I'm going with 30% issues were his and 70% the rest of this pathetic coaching staff and team.

Don't be surprised when Duce Staley is named as the new OC, and Matt Burke is named as the new DC. 

26 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That's a whole lot of ugly, I'm not sure how as an owner one looks at that and says yeah I'm gonna sign up for at least another year of that.

It's not like 2019 or 2018 were much better, every year since 2017 the offense and Carson has regressed.

I get that maybe he wants to give them a year to turn things around (I don't agree with him) but do they at least have a plan on how they are going to do that? Is Doug giving up play calling? Will Howie listen to his scouts? Will they call some semblance of a balanced attack? Will they get rid of old bad players? The old crap isn't working.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Don't be surprised when Duce Staley is named as the new OC, and Matt Burke is named as the new DC. 

I won't be surprised but I will be disappointed.

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Don't be surprised when Duce Staley is named as the new OC, and Matt Burke is named as the new DC. 

I think most fans have already come to that expectation as the predictable ending of all this crap show. 

Most of you know that I've been hunting for a long time so I will use this as a example. Even though I've been hunting for 43 years if I go through a season with lots of opportunities I tend to stay calmer and make better well timed shots. When I get very few opportunities or the deer are "spooky" I tend to rush my shot to try and take advantage of whatever opportunities I get.

Could the same be true of Carson? He's pushing because there are so few of times when the o-line and the receivers are not good enough that when he gets a chance he's rushing it?

1 minute ago, greend said:

Most of you know that I've been hunting for a long time so I will use this as a example. Even though I've been hunting for 43 years if I go through a season with lots of opportunities I tend to stay calmer and make better well timed shots. When I get very few opportunities or the deer are "spooky" I tend to rush my shot to try and take advantage of whatever opportunities I get.

Could the same be true of Carson? He's pushing because there are so few of times when the o-line and the receivers are not good enough that when he gets a chance he's rushing it?

Greend where do you do your hunting? You're in west PA if I remember correctly? I'm a backcountry hiker/camper, and while I won't be crossing the border this year, I've been intrigued in the past by the Allegheny National Forest. You ever head in there? 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Greend where do you do your hunting? You're in west PA if I remember correctly? I'm a backcountry hiker/camper, and while I won't be crossing the border this year, I've been intrigued in the past by the Allegheny National Forest. You ever head in there? 

I've hunted there a little bit as well as Moshannon a little bit. I mostly try to stick to private land when I can. Hunting's better  there  and there are fewer a-holes. I say fewer because everywhere I go there's at least 1 a-hole (me). If you do come around pm me we'll grab a beer and cry about the Eagles in it. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I've hunted there a little bit as well as Moshannon a little bit. I mostly try to stick to private land when I can. Hunting's better  there  and there are fewer a-holes. I say fewer because everywhere I go there's at least 1 a-hole (me). If you do come around pm me we'll grab a beer and cry about the Eagles in it. 

Haha maybe in 2022, we can cry tears of happiness when this whole mess is resolved. 

24 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Don't be surprised when Duce Staley is named as the new OC, and Matt Burke is named as the new DC. 

I don't get the Duce love as a coach. His rotation has sucked over the years

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I don't get the Duce love as a coach. His rotation has sucked over the years

Oh it's not love, I would hate both hires. I think the feeling is shared in here, either/both being promoted would just be....bleh

16 minutes ago, greend said:

I've hunted there a little bit as well as Moshannon a little bit. I mostly try to stick to private land when I can. Hunting's better  there  and there are fewer a-holes. I say fewer because everywhere I go there's at least 1 a-hole (me). If you do come around pm me we'll grab a beer and cry about the Eagles in it. 

Dont be coming to my area, lol. My whole back yard is a few miles of private hunting grounds. I dont hunt though, I like Bambi in my back yard, lol. However you can shoot all the wild turkey you want. I hate those little craps trying to eat my nice lawn I pay a lot of money to keep perfect, lol. 

44 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Naturally it's Wentz fault

I knew you'd come around. 

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Man I like Carson and dont want them to trade him.  Rather they hire a different HC.

But I swear to some of you it's like he can do no wrong.  Everyone knows all the issues on offense as it's been repeated numerous times.  All I'm saying is he needs to look in the mirror and ask how he can get better.  Not just blame all his struggles on coaching, O-line and receivers.

No one is saying Wentz doesn't need to play better, what they are saying is it wont matter who the QB is, when you have these issues. No Qb looks stellar when you have the worst Oline in the league and near the worst WRs and a HC who decides to throw 55 times when you have these issues. 

NO QB WOULD PLAY WELL UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. Sure a running qb will mask the problems a bit, but thats only till they can contain his running. 

27 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I can't believe after that season it looks like the only changes are coaching staff changes. I mean, c'mon. What a damn joke.

what's terrible is the team will fail at getting a true offensive coordinator , no decent offensive coordinator will come here to be second fiddle to doug wanting to play offensive play caller and look like garbage if doug can't move the sticks and score.

54 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That's a whole lot of ugly, I'm not sure how as an owner one looks at that and says yeah I'm gonna sign up for at least another year of that.

It's not like 2019 or 2018 were much better, every year since 2017 the offense and Carson has regressed.

Coincidentally,  As the Oline and WR's talent level (due to injuries/age) dropped off, so did Went'z's play?  Do tell? 

25 minutes ago, greend said:

Most of you know that I've been hunting for a long time so I will use this as a example. Even though I've been hunting for 43 years if I go through a season with lots of opportunities I tend to stay calmer and make better well timed shots. When I get very few opportunities or the deer are "spooky" I tend to rush my shot to try and take advantage of whatever opportunities I get.

Could the same be true of Carson? He's pushing because there are so few of times when the o-line and the receivers are not good enough that when he gets a chance he's rushing it?

A lot of what we saw from him this year were weaknesses of his coming out of college, so I don't think it's that much of a surprise. Shoddy footwork, locking onto receivers, inconsistent deep throws were all issues that came up in his scouting report. They were just amplified this year because of the offensive line and offensive design/scheme. Hunting analogy can be relevant because I know Wentz likes to hunt in his off-time, but I don't think that mentality is the brunt of his issues. 

7 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

what's terrible is the team will fail at getting a true offensive coordinator , no decent offensive coordinator will come here to be second fiddle to doug wanting to play offensive play caller and look like garbage if doug can't move the sticks and score.

If Doug is staying he NEEDS to give that up

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Jeffrey was the one bad move.

Malik was due to Jerrigan, who was a good signing, injuring his neck at 26 years old, crap happens. Without Malik and then Hargrave, the defense implodes. Because Cox sees double teams and the other DT is neutralized, and the secondary is shredded. This is where trying to win with an old team backs you into a corner.

DeSean was a decent contract, they never expect 16 games, but 10-12 games a year, and when he's on the field he was clearly the same player, just hasn't been able to stay on the field, but a healthy DeSean is still an elite deep threat (maybe the best in the NFL). Both Jeffrey and DeSean demonstrated why you never give money to WRs over 28 (except Fitzgerald).

Not true.  Jeffery was the WORST move.  Malik was a terrible move as well.  Not in adding the player, in the COST for adding the older, declining player.   Desean was a terrible move too.  Its one thing to bring in a vet like Desean hoping he can give you 'something'.  They did that with Chris Long.  Limited snaps, limited role, and (here's the important part) small investment.  2 years, $6M total.  Desean cost more than that PER YEAR... and will have an additional year of cost in dead money after they cut him.  

 

You are debating the players.  I am debating the COST of the players vs. the PRODUCTION of the players.   If they wanted to bring back Desean and hope for 12 games, that's fine.  Then don't pay him like he's a starting caliber WR.  At $9M per year, he's the 24th highest paid WR in the league... 24th!   Next year, when he's OFF the roster, he's still going to cost the Eagles at a rate equal to the 33rd highest paid WR.  That's insane roster/cap management.   And please stop saying anything about 'healthy' Desean.  There's no such thing any more.

 

Howie has overpaid for low production at a ridiculous number of positions with numerous players.  Malik Jackson was good this year... but was he that good?  In 2021, the Eagles will have the 2nd highest paid DT (Cox), 8th highest paid DT (Hargrave) and (if not for some fancy dancing to lower the cap hit) 15th highest paid DT (Jackson), and that's with Jackson OFF the team.  If they kept him around for 2021 (his cap hit for 2021 is essentially the same whether he's cut or not), his 2022 cap hit would still rank 21st amongst DTs... as 100% dead money.    Howie reworking his contract just means that the 2021 cap hit (which is ridiculously high for a guy that won't be playing for you - $12.6M, is spread over two years, instead of one.  So, no, the Malik Jackson move was not a good one, because the fall out on the cap is brutal.  That's 7% of the salary cap for next year.  The Eagles are going to have about 20% of their cap in 2021 dedicated to DEAD money, and likely another 25%+ in 2022.  That falls completely on the shoulders of Howie Roseman.  

Howie could have tried to squeeze one or two more years out of these veterans with MINIMAL commitments, instead he paid them like they were 26-27 year old free agents.  In 2017, he was smart and used small contracts for big production - Chris Long - major contributor, less than $3M/year on the cap while he was here.  Spread on a 'per game' basis, he cost about $200k per game.  Desean played in 6 games for the Eagles... and will cost ~$18M total investment... $9M/year average... or about $3M per GAME.  Even if they had gotten the 12 games per year out of him...that stil $750k/game... That's Davante Adams level pay per game... would we have gotten that level of production from him?  Of course not.  Just ludicrous.

 

Howie has been spending money on the cap like a guy who won the lottery, and just like many lottery winners... ended up in worse shape financially afterwards than before.  He wasn't smart about the money he spent.  He lived WAY above his means, and we are the ones having to pay for it as fans to watch this slop.  He needs to be held accountable for it.

 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Much like a decent HC candidate won't want to come here to work with Howie.  Why would a good OC candidate want to come here and work with Pederson?  Lurie is lost man........Again.  Painting over rust.  

It's a good question. I could see a former HC that wants to get back into coaching like Jay Gruden or Mike McCoy.  Dirk Koetter could be another possibility.  If Nagy gets fired in Chicago, he would probably be another name that would come up as a possibility.   I think the other choice would be Mike Kafka in KC although you would have to think he's in line to be KC's next OC.  I mean maybe they could get Kromer from the Rams or Shane Day from the 9ers.  I think people will want an OC job and it's not like other coaches haven't had good success here even with the situation being not good the last 2 seasons.  

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Watson is amazing Carson isn’t, he got no help and still balled out, Carson did not.  

Yeah that’s not true. He had will fuller before he got suspended the last 5 weeks of the season. And Brandin cooks who now has 5 years of 7 total years of 1000 yards or more. 

will fuller: 879 yards and 8 tds (11 games— on pace for 1278 yards and 11 tds if not suspended)

brandin cooks: 1150 yards and 6 tds. 

I’m guessing you consider the fact two wide receivers would have gone over 1000 yards and both we’re former first rounders no help? 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's a good question. I could see a former HC that wants to get back into coaching like Jay Gruden or Mike McCoy.  Dirk Koetter could be another possibility.  If Nagy gets fired in Chicago, he would probably be another name that would come up as a possibility.   I think the other choice would be Mike Kafka in KC although you would have to think he's in line to be KC's next OC.  I mean maybe they could get Kromer from the Rams or Shane Day from the 9ers.  I think people will want an OC job and it's not like other coaches haven't had good success here even with the situation being not good the last 2 seasons.  

Dirk Koetter? Maybe Dirk Diggler if your luckly. 

10 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Dirk Koetter? Maybe Dirk Diggler if your luckly. 

The more I think about it I just want the situation to get worse next season.  So the worst possibility may make me feel better when we undoubtedly still suck on offense next season.  

28 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't get the Duce love as a coach. His rotation has sucked over the years

Agreed.  I see no reason why Duce should be an OC or HC. 

20 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

A lot of what we saw from him this year were weaknesses of his coming out of college, so I don't think it's that much of a surprise. Shoddy footwork, locking onto receivers, inconsistent deep throws were all issues that came up in his scouting report. They were just amplified this year because of the offensive line and offensive design/scheme. Hunting analogy can be relevant because I know Wentz likes to hunt in his off-time, but I don't think that mentality is the brunt of his issues. 

And when you rush things you revert to bad habits. So respectfully I'll disagree.