1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That was a worse pick than Hurts imo 

They were both infuriating because they were completely illogical based on the rest of the team's moves. Clearly they went into 2020 with a win-now mentality. So why take developmental projects in the 2nd and 3rd rounds instead of players who could help more immediately?

Just more proof that there has been no unifying direction or plan for the franchise since the Super Bowl.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That was a worse pick than Hurts imo 

Akeem Davis-Gaither was right there too. He went 4 spots later. I'm not saying he's going to become Mike Singletary but I don't see how they made the evaluation and draft choice they did.

13 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Some smoke on the Ertz front. Both LA teams and the Seahawks reportedly have interest. What's the upside there in terms of compensation? A 5th? 

Hawks - Russel Wilson

Chargers - Justin Herbert

Rams - Aaron Donald

 

Just now, downundermike said:

Hawks - Russel Wilson

Chargers - Justin Herbert

Rams - Aaron Donald

 

If its the Hawks I'd want a pick thrown in there too... Wilson is getting on in years! 😉

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not in the 3rd round....no chance.  Only reason why that wasn't the worst pick of that draft is because of Hurts.  

I agree about the 3rd round (could have had him later), but I stand by my statement about the LB position.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That was a worse pick than Hurts imo 

Now, I would have gone another position in the 3rd, but of the linebackers remaining he's is the guy I would go with. High upside, I think he will surprise people.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie doesn’t blow drafts. JJAW is going to blossom next year under Sirianni. Davion Taylor was a Comp 3, so basically a 7th and he has a super hit motor and a ceiling through the roof. Clayton Thorson is going to work out with a private QB guru this offseason and blossom and return to be a high quality backup. The last two drafts have been great!

What really irritates me is the let’s go back two decades to make a point i couldn’t give a crap less what the team did 20 years ago under reid at this point. We are in the current decade and present. So the past 4 drafts have been some of the worst in football due to poor picks, poor development and due to poor picks making trades to fill voids so they have less picks they can make due to the inability to draft and develop well. 

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A 5th would be a major fail.  -50 points on the Emotional Intelligence scale.  

That’s how it works in madden lol 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What really irritates me is the let’s go back two decades to make a point i couldn’t give a crap less what the team did 20 years ago under reid at this point. We are in the current decade and present. So the past 4 drafts have been some of the worst in football due to poor picks, poor development and due to poor picks making trades to fill voids so they have less picks they can make due to the inability to draft and develop well. 

But you can’t say Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams was a bad Howie Roseman pick, let’s give credit where it’s due 

Rondale Moore is so fun to watch.

5 minutes ago, metal said:

Akeem Davis-Gaither was right there too. He went 4 spots later. I'm not saying he's going to become Mike Singletary but I don't see how they made the evaluation and draft choice they did.

If I recall, it was speed, and not the Breaking Bad Blue.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

They were both infuriating because they were completely illogical based on the rest of the team's moves. Clearly they went into 2020 with a win-now mentality. So why take developmental projects in the 2nd and 3rd rounds instead of players who could help more immediately?

Just more proof that there has been no unifying direction or plan for the franchise since the Super Bowl.

The same illogical mentality they went into the offseason planning a rebuild but then  the pandemic along with coaching changes convinced them to do a 180 cause winning a bad division was more important then starting a rebuild that was known and badly needed that they also had planned for but completely dismissed cause of a pandemic. 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

so we are clear when i say organizational that means front office, owner, coaching. It’s the entire Philadelphia eagles. Coaching is gone but that doesn’t mean at that time organizationally from front office to coaching they did a good job find adequate replacements. So again for me organization/organizational means the entire Eagles organization from Lurie to howie to front office to coaches. I know you like to assume i only mean FO when i was alluding to the organization known as the Philadelphia eagles which encompasses the coaching, their hiring of coaches, front office/owner, roster moves and roster construction. So your third option is included in the term organization that i used. Also Front office played a role in coaches fired and hired according to reports. And they saw how Carson functioned best and what coaching got the most out of him. So poor and deteriorating of coaching can be also be somewhat attached to FO and doug 

 

NO I assumed you meant the entire organization - and I'm suggesting that if Wentz does well in Indy it might not have anything to do with the people still here in the Organization but is simply an indictment of the coaches still here after Reich and Defillippo left. My 3rd option is NOT included in the term organization that YOU used.

34 minutes ago, John_C said:

That was an incredible thing they did.  Absolutely disgusting move by the organization.  The move itself was laughable, but the accompanying gang ties story leak was off the charts.

They released #10 following a ProBowl season.  He had something like 80+ catches, 1300 ish yards?  A bunch of TDs?  Too lazy to look it up.  But he was in the middle of a contract, signed for affordable money and had just had a career year.  In the middle of his prime.  And he was released.  Not traded... released.  The rest is history as he went on to torch the Eagles over the next few years, basically every time they met. 

That was after the 2013 season. Wasn't that when Chip wrestled control from Howie?

 

The Davion Taylor pick was basically a 4th, but the optics of taking Hurts and Taylor on day 2 were objectively horrible. Kind of a shame because I like both players, but yeah...didn't look good.

5 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

NO I assumed you meant the entire organization - and I'm suggesting that if Wentz does well in Indy it might not have anything to do with the people still here in the Organization but is simply an indictment of the coaches still here after Reich and Defillippo left. My 3rd option is NOT included in the term organization that YOU used.

cause the people inside the organization that are still here didn’t help hire those coaches, who to fire and make those suggestions to Doug as reported by multiple outlets and reporters.... so they get no blame to help put those bad coaches in place? Only the coaches for being bad coaches get blamed. And the people hiring them couldn’t recognize that problem sooner and allowed it to deteriorate get off the hook. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What really irritates me is the let’s go back two decades to make a point i couldn’t give a crap less what the team did 20 years ago under reid at this point. We are in the current decade and present. So the past 4 drafts have been some of the worst in football due to poor picks, poor development and due to poor picks making trades to fill voids so they have less picks they can make due to the inability to draft and develop well. 

That’s how it works in madden lol 

The drafting has been average, the draft value (i.e. number of picks and where they were) has been at the bottom of the league.

The 2017 draft was below par, they got one starter (Barnett) and some reserves (Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Gerry)

2018:  despite no 1st rd pick, 2 starters (Goedert, Mailata) and 3 reserves (Sweat, Maddox, Pryor), that's above average

2019:  1 starter (Sanders), one possible starter (Dillard), missed on the other 3

2020:   too early, but Reagor, Hurts, Driscoll and Wallace have a good shot at starting in the next year or two, jury is out on Taylor, Bradley, Watkins and Hightower. Toohill was claimed an played last season. This may turn out to be a key draft for a rebuild.

they had 1 pick in the top 20, 2 picks 20-30, 3 picks in the 50s in 4 seasons.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

cause the people inside the organization that are still here didn’t help hire those coaches and make those suggestions to Doug as reported .... 

So it's Andy Reid's fault right - Andy is to blame for everything - or maybe Joe Banner?

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

So it's Andy Reid's fault right - Andy is to blame for everything - or maybe Joe Banner?

Lol. Yeah that’s what i said. Yup clearly howie and lurie didn’t tell Doug who to hire and fire. Only countless reports on that. But sure let’s just blame bad coaches coming here by themselves and not the hiring or firing process lol. 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The drafting has been average, the draft value (i.e. number of picks and where they were) has been at the bottom of the league.

The 2017 draft was below par, they got one starter (Barnett) and some reserves (Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Gerry)

2018:  despite no 1st rd pick, 2 starters (Goedert, Mailata) and 3 reserves (Sweat, Maddox, Pryor), that's above average

2019:  1 starter (Sanders), one possible starter (Dillard), missed on the other 3

2020:   too early, but Reagor, Hurts, Driscoll and Wallace have a good shot at starting in the next year or two, jury is out on Taylor, Bradley, Watkins and Hightower. Toohill was claimed an played last season. This may turn out to be a key draft for a rebuild.

they had 1 pick in the top 20, 2 picks 20-30, 3 picks in the 50s in 4 seasons.

 Slice it anyway you want. They drafted poorly. Only the Jets have been worse in 5 years. so they had to make trades to fill voids BECAUSE they didn’t draft and develop adequately. They made those moves so they had less draft picks so the draft value due to their own poor drafting and roster construction. So again this still goes back to the eagles failing on multiple avenues of bad roster construction, poor drafting, compounding poor drafting with trades to fill gaps so their own draft value drop due to all those factors that you casually ignore. Also they didn’t have a first upon their own accord to trade out. That’s still on them. 

24 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Some smoke on the Ertz front. Both LA teams and the Seahawks reportedly have interest. What's the upside there in terms of compensation? A 5th? 

I would take a 5th for Ertz. If its player for player I could see something like...

Hawks- Quandre Diggs, Safety (motivated to trade because he is a cap hit, despite great production)

Rams- Brian Allen, Center (25 year old former starter who was supplanted during rehab from an injury)

Chargers- Denzel Perryman, Linebacker (I always thought Perryman was solid player, he has become a rotational guy since the chargers revamped their LB unit , could be transition period starter)

 

 

Just now, QBhunter58 said:

I would take a 5th for Ertz. If its player for player I could see something like...

Hawks- Quandre Diggs, Safety (motivated to trade because he is a cap hit, despite great production)

Rams- Brian Allen, Center (25 year old former starter who was supplanted during rehab from an injury)

Chargers- Denzel Perryman, Linebacker (I always thought Perryman was solid player, he has become a rotational guy since the chargers revamped their LB unit , could be transition period starter)

 

I'll take literally anything because he's going to be released if they can't find a trade partner. I'd hate to see him go to a division rival.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The drafting has been average, the draft value (i.e. number of picks and where they were) has been at the bottom of the league.

The 2017 draft was below par, they got one starter (Barnett) and some reserves (Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Gerry)

2018:  despite no 1st rd pick, 2 starters (Goedert, Mailata) and 3 reserves (Sweat, Maddox, Pryor), that's above average

2019:  1 starter (Sanders), one possible starter (Dillard), missed on the other 3

2020:   too early, but Reagor, Hurts, Driscoll and Wallace have a good shot at starting in the next year or two, jury is out on Taylor, Bradley, Watkins and Hightower. Toohill was claimed an played last season. This may turn out to be a key draft for a rebuild.

they had 1 pick in the top 20, 2 picks 20-30, 3 picks in the 50s in 4 seasons.

I think last years draft was solid. Some frustrating and significant misses (chinn, jefferson) but I really liked the late round picks. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol. Yeah that’s what i said. Yup clearly howie and lurie didn’t tell Doug who to hire and fire. Only countless reports on that. But sure let’s just blame bad coaches coming here by themselves and not the hiring process lol. 

The organization won a Super Bowl. Minus Reich and Defillippo Wentz started developing bad habits or bad habits got worse. These are the coaches that Doug wanted to keep and promote. So while I appreciate your blanket approach to blame everything on Howie or Lurie or both - Wentz - good or bad - is not on them. 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The drafting has been average, the draft value (i.e. number of picks and where they were) has been at the bottom of the league.

The 2017 draft was below par, they got one starter (Barnett) and some reserves (Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Gerry)

2018:  despite no 1st rd pick, 2 starters (Goedert, Mailata) and 3 reserves (Sweat, Maddox, Pryor), that's above average

2019:  1 starter (Sanders), one possible starter (Dillard), missed on the other 3

2020:   too early, but Reagor, Hurts, Driscoll and Wallace have a good shot at starting in the next year or two, jury is out on Taylor, Bradley, Watkins and Hightower. Toohill was claimed an played last season. This may turn out to be a key draft for a rebuild.

they had 1 pick in the top 20, 2 picks 20-30, 3 picks in the 50s in 4 seasons.

I have a feeling Howie will field 22 starters for this season, mostly young cheap players we have drafted.  I guess all the drafts are looking up now.

How early do people start drinking in here?