Can the Eagles put out in the media that there's a bidding war for Ertz? 😄

Just now, DumbleBear said:

That's exactly what he should be doing. 

The point is that grading drafts based on how many starters they produce is silly.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Can the Eagles put out in the media that there's a bidding war for Ertz? 😄

They already did 

11 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Ok I have to stop doing this because it hurts my head. 

But how can you make this call this soon? I'm not trying to what we used to call way back "flame" you but would have to objectively say this is 100% in the left to be determined category.

More evidence needed. 

Huh? What was mysterious about what I wrote? Both Hurts and Taylor were considered projects and drafted with resources usually reserved for early contributors. It's absolutely a bad look to draft 2 projects with your only day 2 picks. If they turn out to be stars or legit starters? Great. As I said, I like both players.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Can the Eagles put out in the media that there's a bidding war for Ertz? 😄

They probably will.

After he is traded or released, they will leak that he was running a child sex trafficking ring out of the basement of a pizza shop.

41 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

The organization won a Super Bowl. Minus Reich and Defillippo Wentz started developing bad habits or bad habits got worse. These are the coaches that Doug wanted to keep and promote. So while I appreciate your blanket approach to blame everything on Howie or Lurie or both - Wentz - good or bad - is not on them. 

Lol. Where did i say coaches werent to blame? All season i blamed doug for not being better on his coaches and press Taylor and even groh the year before. However I’m not dumb enough to believe howie and lurie who were pulling strings about who to retain and who to fire have no part in a deterioration fo a coaching staff.

So let me get this straight, the two guys who hired Schwartz before they even hired doug had noooooothing to do with coaching staff hires and promotions only doug is responsible.

Meanwhile reports of howie and lurie wanted to fire Frank reich after 2016. So if Doug didn’t pound the table to keep reich they would’ve lost him before the SB run. But yes I’m to believe howie and lurie never got involved in coaching staff decisions... 

I appreciate your narratives you keep coming up. But hey you know more than mosher, caplan, maaddi and McManus who’ve shared the same sentiment i have that they’ve gotten from their sources that it would be an organizational failure of howie, lurie, doug with the decline of the coaching staff. 

 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The same illogical mentality they went into the offseason planning a rebuild but then  the pandemic along with coaching changes convinced them to do a 180 cause winning a bad division was more important then starting a rebuild that was known and badly needed that they also had planned for but completely dismissed cause of a pandemic. 

They didn't do a 180, more like a 45 degree swerve.

The only resources given up, 3rd and 5th for Slay and a 3 year deal for Hargrave. The Slay deal would have a slight impact on rebuilding, the Hargrave deal none.

The draft was focused on the future, because few rookies contribute as rookies (especially outside the first 100 picks or so).

So they hedged their bets, gamble on winning a weak division while building up the back of the roster for the inevitable rebuild.

Partially due to injury and partially by design, they auditioned a lot of UDFAs, Opeta, Jacquet, Arnold, Toth, Bachie, Houston, Juriga, Riley, R Smith, R Williams.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They already did 

Didnt catch that. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How early do people start drinking in here? 

You mean you haven't started yet?

Hate having to go back and re-evaluate QBs for the draft, but when Jalen Hurts is the current starter — a draft evaluation on QBs is needed.  Went back and reviewed film and stats for Fields, Wilson, and Lance.  I’m operating on the assumption Lawrence goes #1 to JAX until I get an indication otherwise:

Size — Lance 6’3 220, Fields 6’3 220, Wilson 6’3 210

Physical strength — Lance, Fields, Wilson.  Wilson looks more slight than the other two

Arm Strength — Wilson, Lance, Fields.  Wilson by a lot — great NFL-ready arm

Foot speed/agility — Lance, Fields, Wilson.  They’re all mobile, but Lance has superior mobility (not to the level of Lamar or Kyler, though)

Polish — Fields, Wilson, Lance.  Fields has three years of power-five experience; no surprise.  Wilson actually has more collegiate throws over the three years, though

Accuracy — Fields 68.4, Wilson 67.6, Lance 67.0.  Wilson was 73.5% in 2020, though

 

Overall, I came away quite a bit more impressed with Wilson than I was the first time a few months ago, and slightly more impressed with Fields than I was before.  I still believe both Wilson and Lance are better pro prospects than Fields, though.  I still come away bothered by how slowly Fields goes through his progressions, and his inconsistency.

I would rate them Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.  Lawrence will go #1, I believe Wilson will go #2, Fields will go either #4 or #5 (by trade up), and Lance somewhere around #10

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Didnt catch that. 

Maybe not full on blown like they did with Carson yet but there’s already reports Chargers, Seahawks and someone else wants him as well as he may be a part of the Wentz trade. They are doing their best to build it up like all these teams are in on him. 

1 minute ago, metal said:

You mean you haven't started yet?

I’m about to 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The drafting has been average, the draft value (i.e. number of picks and where they were) has been at the bottom of the league.

The 2017 draft was below par, they got one starter (Barnett) and some reserves (Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Gerry)

2018:  despite no 1st rd pick, 2 starters (Goedert, Mailata) and 3 reserves (Sweat, Maddox, Pryor), that's above average

2019:  1 starter (Sanders), one possible starter (Dillard), missed on the other 3

2020:   too early, but Reagor, Hurts, Driscoll and Wallace have a good shot at starting in the next year or two, jury is out on Taylor, Bradley, Watkins and Hightower. Toohill was claimed an played last season. This may turn out to be a key draft for a rebuild.

they had 1 pick in the top 20, 2 picks 20-30, 3 picks in the 50s in 4 seasons.

2017- We are looking at a 2021 roster most likely with no players from the 2017 draft left if Barnett isn't extended.  That's poor.  Yes, they contributed but the point of a draft is to build a team, not rent players for 3 years.

2018- DG is nice but we drafted a guy with the 1st pick of our draft who was already penciled in to be a backup.  Not a good use of resources.  Mailata was a lottery if there ever was one.  Sweat is a good rotational piece.  Maddox and Pyor are trash.  

2019- Sanders is injury prone, misused and probably doesn't see a 2nd contract here.  Dillard was a bad pick.  

2020- well to be honest, this draft looks like a disaster.  Reagor over Jefferson or not trading up for Lamb (player they liked but other team took him mentality) is looking like a miss.  Then you have Hurts, which has been discussed was the draft pick that ran your franchise quarterback out of town.  Taylor in the 3rd was a joke. Don't care if it was a comp pick, still a 3rd rounder.  Bradley is a reserve/ST player.  Watkins shows promise and I don't think Hightower makes it.  Driscoll shows potential and they already lost Tega and Toohil.  If this is the key draft to a rebuild then we are in for a long long road. 

 

2 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Ok I get that Washington blew out Haskins in record time.  But you have to give guys 3 years , don't you? 

It makes sense to give a player time to develop.

That probably goes to show how bad Haskins was that they gave up on him so soon.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol. Where did i say coaches werent to blame? All season i blamed doug for not being better on his coaches and press Taylor and even groh the year before. However I’m not dumb enough to believe howie and lurie who were pulling strings about who to retain and who to fire have no part in a deterioration fo a coaching staff. 

inappreciate your narratives you keep coming up with to justify it’s everyone else but lurie and howie. Even though reports state lurie and howie played a massive role in who was hired and fired along the coaching staff. But hey let’s just ignore those reports but believe all the others. 

 

Name all the coaches Doug brought in from outside the organization the past few years.

Burke 2019, Manuel 2020 (replaced Udlin who went to Detroit as DC), Morehead 2020.

If Lurie were to move the Eagles out of Philly, would you then still support the team?

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They didn't do a 180, more like a 45 degree swerve.

The only resources given up, 3rd and 5th for Slay and a 3 year deal for Hargrave. The Slay deal would have a slight impact on rebuilding, the Hargrave deal none.

The draft was focused on the future, because few rookies contribute as rookies (especially outside the first 100 picks or so).

So they hedged their bets, gamble on winning a weak division while building up the back of the roster for the inevitable rebuild.

Partially due to injury and partially by design, they auditioned a lot of UDFAs, Opeta, Jacquet, Arnold, Toth, Bachie, Houston, Juriga, Riley, R Smith, R Williams.

 

Keep spinning it anyway you want. They knew they needed a rebuild then and decided winning a bad division was the better play after the pandemic hit. All while knowing a rebuild was coming giving up picks they needed for the future long term success   

lol few rookies contribute as rookies meanwhile the eagles were relying on a injury prone DeSean, reagor, Hightower, ward, Watkins and JJAW heading into week 1. So 1/2 of their wide receiving corps was rookies. 

3 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

I think last years draft was solid. Some frustrating and significant misses (chinn, jefferson) but I really liked the late round picks. 

They picked a WR, albeit one I liked, who had one of the worst years of any WR picked in the first 4 rounds.

Their 2nd round pick...well...that set off an interesting chain of events.  If we draft a QB in round 1, that makes the decision even more laughable.

The 3rd round LB was absolutely pathetic in game action.  I like athleticism at DE and WR....downhill explosion positions.  LB is read and react.  So they got a track athlete who has no ability to tackle, cover, or play football.  He was truly awful.

4th Wallace: Almost never played despite little talent in front of him.

4th Driscoll: interesting ability, got hurt literally every time he set foot on the field for extended action.

5th Hightower: downfield ability, clear deer in headlights not ready to play in the NFL

6th Bradley: Umm, at least we didn't draft him in the 3rd round like Taylor?

6th Watkins: Showed some nice speed, Eagles refused to use him despite the garbage in front of him.

6 Prince: cut

7 Toohill: cut

If that's a solid draft after 1 year, what is bad?  The only way to get worse are arrests, DUIs, and domestic assault.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How early do people start drinking in here? 

You stopped drinking? 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

If Lurie were to move the Eagles out of Philly, would you then still support the team?

wow tough question. would never happen tho

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

2020- well to be honest, this draft looks like a disaster.  Reagor over Jefferson or not trading up for Lamb (player they liked but other team took him mentality) is looking like a miss.  Then you have Hurts, which has been discussed was the draft pick that ran your franchise quarterback out of town.  Taylor in the 3rd was a joke. Don't care if it was a comp pick, still a 3rd rounder.  Bradley is a reserve/ST player.  Watkins shows promise and I don't think Hightower makes it.  Driscoll shows potential and they already lost Tega and Toohil.  If this is the key draft to a rebuild then we are in for a long long road. 

There was no possible trade-up for Lamb, unless you wanted Howie to give away picks to get to #12.  SF and TB traded with each other for 13 and 14, DEN needed WR at #15 and took Jeudy, and ATL needed CB at #16 and took Terrell.  All of those picks were locked in.

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Name all the coaches Doug brought in from outside the organization the past few years.

Burke 2019, Manuel 2020 (replaced Udlin who went to Detroit as DC), Morehead 2020.

Who says those were his guys he wanted to bring in and not what was suggested to him by the organization which has been reported they made suggestions to who he should hire and told him who he should fire. Also as a rookie head coach you believe doug brought in those guys by himself and the organization didn’t help him? Cause if that’s the case he deserves alll the credit fir reich and deflillipo as well not howie and lurie. Which i don’t buy they weren’t part of that hiring process. But let’s ignore those reports like he was strictly making those decisions alone within his coaching staff. Again nice spin to blame everything on doug and nothing else on the rest of the organization. Doug has plenty of blame. However this is a complete organizational failure for the coaching staff regression. 

also Burke had ties to Schwartz why he was brought in. So I’m guessing that was a Schwartz hire with his pull. I’m guessing doug wasn’t the ultimate say on the defensive coaching staff hires. They forced Schwartz on him from the start and it’s reported he had a ton of pull. So I’m guessing they finally asked who he’d like as a DC since Schwartz retired. So if you have an issue with how the defense has gone past couple years look at howie, lurie and the organization who had Schwartz in place as doug was hired. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hate having to go back and re-evaluate QBs for the draft, but when Jalen Hurts is the current starter — a draft evaluation on QBs is needed.  Went back and reviewed film and stats for Fields, Wilson, and Lance.  I’m operating on the assumption Lawrence goes #1 to JAX until I get an indication otherwise:

Size — Lance 6’3 220, Fields 6’3 220, Wilson 6’3 210

Physical strength — Lance, Fields, Wilson.  Wilson looks more slight than the other two

Arm Strength — Wilson, Lance, Fields.  Wilson by a lot — great NFL-ready arm

Foot speed/agility — Lance, Fields, Wilson.  They’re all mobile, but Lance has superior mobility (not to the level of Lamar or Kyler, though)

Polish — Fields, Wilson, Lance.  Fields has three years of power-five experience; no surprise.  Wilson actually has more collegiate throws over the three years, though

Accuracy — Fields 68.4, Wilson 67.6, Lance 67.0.  Wilson was 73.5% in 2020, though

 

Overall, I came away quite a bit more impressed with Wilson than I was the first time a few months ago, and slightly more impressed with Fields than I was before.  I still believe both Wilson and Lance are better pro prospects than Fields, though.  I still come away bothered by how slowly Fields goes through his progressions, and his inconsistency.

I would rate them Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.  Lawrence will go #1, I believe Wilson will go #2, Fields will go either #4 or #5 (by trade up), and Lance somewhere around #10

I read Wilson might have some character concerns. Someone comped him to Manziel in that area 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

If Lurie were to move the Eagles out of Philly, would you then still support the team?

Lurie would have to go into witness protection if that happened.

To answer your question I dont think i could.  

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I read Wilson might have some character concerns. Someone comped him to Manziel in that area 

I left out that both Zach Wilson and Justin Fields have faces just as punchable as Josh Rosen

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If Lurie were to move the Eagles out of Philly, would you then still support the team?

Would never happen, but absolutely not.  I also have no connection to Philly anymore, so I wouldn't have any interest in the new franchise, should we get one.  That would be my exit from the NFL.