16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I am not a hurts humper but taking out the scoring drives doesnt seem like a fair way to analyze the data

I only count Wentz's good plays and Hurts' bad plays in order to be objective.  

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So long Desean... we'll always have this somersault!

 

Didn't he get hurt after that?

Indy runs a 4-3, with cover 2 concepts

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-indianapolis-colts-finally-built-a-defensive-monster/

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2020/10/2/21497914/colts-scouting-journal-time-to-stop-calling-the-colts-a-cover-2-defense

Avery wouldn't have to cover man, but he'd have to be able to backpedal in zone and close on the underneath throw.

I don't think Howie gives a fig about saving face, rather he faces the challenge of reworking the back seven to fit Gannon's version of the Indy defense.

Mills is the only CB who fits the Seattle mold (Douglas would, but he's gone), and Gannon will have to determine if Epps can play FS in his scheme.

This defense will probably struggle next year, especially the first half as they revamp the personnel.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I have no idea but it seems like Howie wants to find a roster spot for him. 

That's exactly what he's doing.  Trying to save face after that terrible trade.

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Taking out the 2 scoring drives, and 2 end of game drives that meant nothing, here is Hurts second half play charts.  Not good.

 

 

 

I see you are still clinging to this second half stuff.

 

Disregard that Hurts produced more yards and the team scored more points with him than with Wentz.  But hey you have this arbitrary negative stat from his rookie season so let's cling to that forever.  

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Indy runs a 4-3, with cover 2 concepts

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-indianapolis-colts-finally-built-a-defensive-monster/

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2020/10/2/21497914/colts-scouting-journal-time-to-stop-calling-the-colts-a-cover-2-defense

Avery wouldn't have to cover man, but he'd have to be able to backpedal in zone and close on the underneath throw.

I don't think Howie gives a fig about saving face, rather he faces the challenge of reworking the back seven to fit Gannon's version of the Indy defense.

Mills is the only CB who fits the Seattle mold (Douglas would, but he's gone), and Gannon will have to determine if Epps can play FS in his scheme.

This defense will probably struggle next year, especially the first half as they revamp the personnel.

Actually, the defense should be so much better since the DC was mailing it in last year, right?

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Disregard that Hurts produced more yards and the team scored more points with him than with Wentz.  But hey you have this arbitrary negative stat from his rookie season so let's cling to that forever.  

That's just as meaningless as those cherry pick stats. You can't read anything into Hurt's performance last year, other than he got some experience with NFL speed.

We'll find out if he can play in 2021.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I see you are still clinging to this second half stuff.

 

Disregard that Hurts produced more yards and the team scored more points with him than with Wentz.  But hey you have this arbitrary negative stat from his rookie season so let's cling to that forever.  

He'll be talking about these 2nd half stats until Hurts makes a pro-bowl.  

2 hours ago, Nivraga said:

No - Zach Wilson is the all time punchable face champ

What about Feliepe Franks? His name gives him bonus points 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Actually, the defense should be so much better since the DC was mailing it in last year, right?

I expect it may be in the second half of the season, the first half will be ugly as inexperienced players try to pick up a new system.

But hopefully no more of those marshmallow soft zones with CBs playing 10 yards off the receiver.

I expect Gannon to dumb it down in 2021, then add more concepts in 2022.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's exactly what he's doing.  Trying to save face after that terrible trade.

Still may be better than Davion Taylor.  I think the problem is that there are several decent LB prospects in this draft that will be available when the Eagles pick.  I am sure this just means they will take LB off of their draft board since they have the position locked up now with Avery.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You got one thing right.  My ego.  Either way.  It’s a 3rd round pick!   I don’t give a ish what it would have been in years past, this year or next.  It’s a 3rd round reach....bust....Howie special.  There’s nothing to "look up”.  And it would have easily been the worst pick for the Eagles in 2020 if not for Howie drafting Hurts and setting this whole debacle in motion.  The guy missed on the top 3 picks. Davion Taylor was drafted to be a LB.  On a team who started NATE GERRY!!!   And he couldn’t get on the field!!!!   He sucks!   And so does Howie.  Take a knee.  Sheesh.  

I'm not disagreeing with you on anything but the pick. Each round is 32 picks - anything after pick 96 is something other than a 3rd round pick and I don't care what the NFL calls it due to compensatories.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Are you old enough to remember when bars used to have ‘punch in the face’ contests?

Please elaborate.    Was it like a bracket style set-up? 

32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I am not a hurts humper but taking out the scoring drives doesnt seem like a fair way to analyze the data

Of course it is. By taking out the good things it becomes a fact that he was bad. 

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'll never forgive Chip for cutting him.

Why? Dominoes - I see that as one of the first that led to a Super Bowl. I'm thankful everyday now that Chip was such an idiot.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Love this draft.  I still would rather trade back with our 1st round pick to pick up and extra 2nd and/or 3rd.  There seems to be lot of obvious talent at 38, and I really want that pick (Wyatt Davis for example).  Although, Howie wouldn't recognize obvious talent if it fell out of the sky, landed on his face, and started to wiggle.  

 

5 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Please elaborate.    Was it like a bracket style set-up? 

As I recall there were very few entrants  😂

I’ve seen televised open hand slap contests; one between 2 women was memorable.  Some of the prison ones are entertaining — it’s not like they have full schedules to interfere with practice time:

 

19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I see you are still clinging to this second half stuff.

 

Disregard that Hurts produced more yards and the team scored more points with him than with Wentz.  But hey you have this arbitrary negative stat from his rookie season so let's cling to that forever.  

Second half play is important in the NFL.  The other 31 teams don't quit at halftime.

What this stat shows is NFL defensive coordinators can shut down 1 read and run QB's.  The more film they get on him, they will shut him down before the half.

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Love this draft.  I still would rather trade back with our 1st round pick to pick up and extra 2nd and/or 3rd.  There seems to be lot of obvious talent at 38, and I really want that pick (Wyatt Davis for example).  Although, Howie wouldn't recognize obvious talent if it fell out of the sky, landed on his face, and started to wiggle.  

 

Didn't like the trade back options I got at 6, and I traded back from 38 to 51 and picked up 82 when Wyatt Davis was drafted one pick before the Eagles.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I see you are still clinging to this second half stuff.

 

Disregard that Hurts produced more yards and the team scored more points with him than with Wentz.  But hey you have this arbitrary negative stat from his rookie season so let's cling to that forever.  

I also think it's foolish to think Hurts made this team significantly better.  He looked like a rookie QB that is a better runner than passer.  He had an abysmal completion percentage.  He often was too quick to rely on his legs.  He has significant work to do in order to be a competent QB. It's unclear that he can be anything other than what he showed. What he showed wasn't enough to make this team anything other than a bad to mediocre football team.  Carson played terribly in 2020 but there were 4 other seasons where he played much better than Hurts did.  In Carson's first 4 games as a starter, he threw for over a 1,000 yards, 7 TD's, 1 INT and had a completion percentage of over 67%.  Let's see Hurts approach Carson's numbers as a passer before we declare him the better option.  He's unproven and did nothing last season to prove he has more potential than Wentz.  

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't he get hurt after that?

No, he got hurt doing that.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I also think it's foolish to think Hurts made this team significantly better.  He looked like a rookie QB that is a better runner than passer.  He had an abysmal completion percentage.  He often was too quick to rely on his legs.  He has significant work to do in order to be a competent QB. It's unclear that he can be anything other than what he showed. What he showed wasn't enough to make this team anything other than a bad to mediocre football team.  Carson played terribly in 2020 but there were 4 other seasons where he played much better than Hurts did.  In Carson's first 4 games as a starter, he threw for over a 1,000 yards, 7 TD's, 1 INT and had a completion percentage of over 67%.  Let's see Hurts approach Carson's numbers as a passer before we declare him the better option.  He's unproven and did nothing last season to prove he has more potential than Wentz.  

He was a rookie with no exhibition games, a truncated offseason, no time practicing with the 1s.

We have no idea if Doug made any adjustments at halftime.

So to read anything into those four games is a stretch.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Second half play is important in the NFL.  The other 31 teams don't quit at halftime.

What this stat shows is NFL defensive coordinators can shut down 1 read and run QB's.  The more film they get on him, they will shut him down before the half.

 

Well shut, imagine how much better he will be as he continues to develop and improves his second half play when he was already out producing Wentz via only first halves.

 

Your Hurts hate is getting pathetic. Wait and see what he does in his second season before you try to act like the book is written on him. 

21 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Still may be better than Davion Taylor.  I think the problem is that there are several decent LB prospects in this draft that will be available when the Eagles pick.  I am sure this just means they will take LB off of their draft board since they have the position locked up now with Avery.  

It's February, Don't even know when they'll be able to have mini-camps.

It's more a statement that Gannon has looked at film and decided Avery has no future at DE, so try him at LB before you cut him or trade him for a 7th rd pick.

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well shut, imagine how much better he will be as he continues to develop and improves his second half play when he was already out producing Wentz via only first halves.

 

Your Hurts hate is getting pathetic. Wait and see what he does in his second season before you try to act like the book is written on him. 

Why do you keep bringing up Wentz.  I am talking about the Eagles and their players.

You are like the cult of Foles crowd talking about players who are not here.

And I do not see Hurts being any better than what we have seen.  One read and run does not work in the NFL.