1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Wentz wanting out isn’t the issue. Him cratering in part because the Eagles used a second-round pick on Hurts is a problem. The Eagles obviously share blame in that, but Wentz certainly didn’t show mental toughness. 

Ah... that narrative.   Got it.   So, it was about his mental state more than than the OL shuffle, crap WRs, playing with guys that he didn't even know the names of for stretches of the season, a refusal to run the ball consistently, and a HC that had no idea how to utilize the talent that was there.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are you trying to tell me QB’s don’t like lining up out wide for no reason? 

We saw how some QBs act in that situation, and we saw Wentz actually blocking a DB doing that.  So this whole mental toughness thing is getting old fast.

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/carson-wentz-gets-physical-blocking-cb-near-sideline

And we've seen other QBs stand around with their hands on their hips.

 

Wentz is gone now, but some people still have to make him the villain.  Sadly, the real villain is still employed and will be making the decisions moving forward.

34 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

This was "Always" the guy at the top of my list 

 

I miss Jimmy Rollins talking s*** to the Mets 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ah... that narrative.   Got it.   So, it was about his mental state more than than the OL shuffle, crap WRs, playing with guys that he didn't even know the names of for stretches of the season, a refusal to run the ball consistently, and a HC that had no idea how to utilize the talent that was there.

It all plays a part. Obviously. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We saw how some QBs act in that situation, and we saw Wentz actually blocking a DB doing that.  So this whole mental toughness thing is getting old fast.

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/carson-wentz-gets-physical-blocking-cb-near-sideline

And we've seen other QBs stand around with their hands on their hips.

 

Wentz is gone now, but some people still have to make him the villain.  Sadly, the real villain is still employed and will be making the decisions moving forward.

There is room for more than one villain. Howie, Doug and Carson all played their parts in this. 

8 hours ago, justrelax said:

There have been a lot, a lot, of SB-winning QBs who were not elite. Brady and Montana skew the list. Nick Foles? Jim Plunkett? Peyton and Eli Manning? Yes, Peyton was once elite but he was on the downward slide when he won his two. There were a lot of game managers who won as well. You can win if you have the better team.

For sure. I think it is as much about poise and decision making as it is anything else. 
 

im not saying he has to be elite but I DK think he is going to have to look like a quality QB, not just a top athlete at the QB position 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It all plays a part. Obviously. 

There is room for more than one villain. Howie, Doug and Carson all played their parts in this. 

Only one villain remains... Lowie.    All had their part to play... GM, HC, QB, OL, RB, WR, TE... literally it was all broken.   And yet, the architect is the only one that's safe.   

48 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Classy of him to include Lurie, Howie, and Doug in there. Because Im guessing bridges were burned with at least 1 of them, or more. But he didnt leave off any names. 

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ah... that narrative.   Got it.   So, it was about his mental state more than than the OL shuffle, crap WRs, playing with guys that he didn't even know the names of for stretches of the season, a refusal to run the ball consistently, and a HC that had no idea how to utilize the talent that was there.

I like people’s judgement of mental toughness.

Wentz throws td on a torn acl. No one questions that mental toughness then 

wentz plays a good portion of the season with a fractured back. No one questions that mental toughness then

wentz got pissed off the eagles made a move after finishing 2019 the way he did and getting cheapshotted in the head. Next year played poorly. He’s not mentally tough. 

So i guess when you play poorly cause your pissed off and and the team LIED about him being ok with it (go listen to that hurts presser the eagles were lying through their teeth), it is not mentally tough enough. Meanwhile playing through a back fracture and  with a torn ACL is just the norm for everyone. 

** I’m not excusing wentz for the way he handled it. He handled it extremely poorly and played like crap. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like people’s judgement of mental toughness.

Wentz throws td on a torn acl. No one questions that mental toughness then 

wentz plays a good portion of the season with a fractured back. No one questions that mental toughness then

wentz got pissed off the eagles made a move after finishing 2019 the way he did and getting cheapshotted in the head. Next year played poorly. He’s not mentally tough. 

So i guess when you play poorly cause your pissed off and and the team LIED about him being ok with it (go listen to that hurts presser the eagles were lying through their teeth), it is not mentally tough enough. Meanwhile playing through a back fracture and  with a torn ACL is just the norm for everyone. 

** I’m not excusing wentz for the way he handled it. He handled it extremely poorly and played like crap. 

Physical toughness and mental toughness are different. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Physical toughness and mental toughness are different. 

Idk you have to be pretty mentally tough to play with a back fracture and acl. Definitely physical toughness. As someone works in PT that’s not just physical toughness that people have issues with. A lot of it is mental blocks where they are mentally tough to get over that type of injury or try to do normal activities while having to that type of injury. Theres plenty of people Not mentally tough enough to overcome that. That takes mental toughness as well as physical toughness to deal with that amount of pain and still be focused enough to be competent at your job or come back from having those kind of major setbacks/injuries

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wentz is gone now, but some people still have to make him the villain.  Sadly, the real villain is still employed and will be making the decisions moving forward.

This is so modern America, good and evil, there has to be a villain - I want to live LOR, and fight evil.

Reality is so much more mundane. Howie gambled on a talented young QB, at first it looked brilliant, then a knee injury took away some of his mobility, then a decline in team talent exposed some of his flaws, then a clusterf--- season led him to seek a new start. Drafting Wentz wasn't a mistake, extending him after the 2018 season, when he was still playing at a high level at 25 years old wasn't a mistake (look at 2nd contracts for starting QBs, it was the market value). QBs have made it work with less than ideal talent, Wentz did at the end of 2019. It was Doug who tried to force a big play offense on his QB when the OL was imploding. Doug needed to win now, and a ball control scheme, while it would have protected Wentz, would have been a dead end given a defense allowing 26 points per game. But Wentz also handled it badly, making bad decisions, showing a lack of poise under pressure.

It's best to move on, sometimes crap happens, good moves go bad, ignore sunk costs and make the best of a bad situation. The rebuild was inevitable, now it's a done deal. WEntz, DeSean, Jeffrey, Malik, Ertz are headed out the door, McLeod, Slay may follow, Graham, Cox, Lane and Brooks may be the only veterans on the 2022 team if Kelce retires.

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk you have to be pretty mentally tough to play with a back fracture and acl. Someone works in PT that’s not just physical toughness that people have issues with. A lot of it is mental blocks. Theres plenty of people Not mentally tough enough to overcome that. That takes mental toughness as well to deal with that amount of pain and still be focused enough to be competent at your job. 

Sure, there is a mental component to that. 

Look, I’m not saying Wentz has no mental toughness whatsoever, but he showed a lot of mental fragility during his time here too. 

As far as physical toughness, I certainly wouldn’t question that.

A more interesting topic isn't what has happened, but what will happen.

Indy liked big WRs, though they also inherited Hilton, they developed Pascal and drafted Pittman, and also seem to like tall TEs, Doyle 6'6, Alie-Cox 6'5, they also brought in Burton 6'2 as a H-back. They definitely like RBs who can catch.

On defense, they seem to like taller DLs for their 4-3 scheme, Stewart 6'4 NT, traded for Buckner 6'7, Autry 6'5 DE, Houston and Lewis 6'3.

Gannon seems to want "Seattle" CBs, long with average speed who can press and cover underneath.

They drafted Leonard in the 2nd rd to play WLB, so Gannon may put more resources into LBs.

That may give some clues about roster changes this year.

5 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Look how favre reacted to rodgers...and Rodgers to love

and brady to jimmy g

its all of them

 

How did they react?  They played well, didnt they?  They certainly didnt play like the worst QB in the league.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, there is a mental component to that. 

Look, I’m not saying Wentz has no mental toughness whatsoever, but he showed a lot of mental fragility during his time here too. 

As far as physical toughness, I certainly wouldn’t question that.

He did? I don't recall us witnessing a single thing that showed mental fragility. 

However, it was reported (anonymously) that he showed it behind the scenes. Those reports were disputed by players that were willing to put their names out there. 

35 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If there is a GOAT for punchable faces.  It’s this one.  

Looks like the offspring of an Ewok and Mickey Mouse.

I have Caleb Farley as a darkhorse 1st round lick for the Eagles. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

He did? I don't recall us witnessing a single thing that showed mental fragility. 

However, it was reported (anonymously) that he showed it behind the scenes. Those reports were disputed by players that were willing to put their names out there. 

I guess we should ignore all the anonymous sources and assume everything is fine between Carson and the Eagles then...

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I guess we should ignore all the anonymous sources and assume everything is fine between Carson and the Eagles then...

You're the one who started that Wentz showed us a lot of mental fragility. So, when exactly did these displays happen?

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I guess we should ignore all the anonymous sources and assume everything is fine between Carson and the Eagles then...

Personally I always ignore anonymous sources

I was just thinking- If we release/trade a bunch of our big cap guys and still end up with little space the rumor or players taking 1 year deals this year really benefits us. 

Other teams will be able to outbid us. But the Colts have a ton of attractive FA options, and a 1 year deal here with a coach/system theyll be familiar with would likely be in their best interest if they want to cash in the following year after a cap increase. 

 

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Personall i always ignore anonymous sources

Especially when the anonymous source and/or the "journalist" that's breaking the story has an agenda. 

2 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

You're the one who started that Wentz showed us a lot of mental fragility. So, when exactly did these displays happen?

When Hurts was drafted Wentz was pissed. The Philly Voice stories. The reports that Wentz stopped talking to Doug. Not liking the hard coaching from Flip. Reluctance to accept responsibility for his poor play. 

2 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

I see that the 2021 Eagles are planning to unleash the awesomeness that is Genard Avery.

 

 

 

It's going to be a long year.

At least our new d-coordinator is trying something different since the guy is practically a bust and I'm sure he know it. 

For the record, I wanted Wentz back, so I’m not some Wentz hater.