Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I'd be curious to know what the specific moment was with Wentz that caused them to have one foot out the door with him. It obviously wasn't before June 2019 when they gave him his deal. It couldn't have been during the regular season when he took a practice squad team to the playoffs. So I'm assuming it was when he got knocked out of the Seattle playoff game. Which is a stupid reason if it is because it was a freak incident/cheap shot after he had completed a full 16 game season. I never bought the lip service about them drafting Hurts to be a complement/Taysom Hill piece added to the offense. They obviously drafted him to be their next starter with what transpired. 

I was also the opinion that they didn’t draft Jalen hurts in the second round to just be a back up quarterback or a Taysom Hill type player and trade him for more picks in a couple year. I was always of the opinion the Eagles wanted to have an insurance plan in case things didn’t go as well as they thought it would with wentz.

Now the Eagles might draft a quarterback at six or move up to get one if they believe that quarterback is a better player than what they envisioned hurts to be. Frankly I don’t think the Eagles ever envisioned being at pick 6 a year after they drafted  hurts. I don’t think hurts rules out the fact if they fall in love with one of them more that they’re in love with hurts that they wouldn’t take another quarterback. But to me I think the Eagles wanted to have a Plan B in place in case Carson Wentz wasn’t the player they thought. I don’t know if that’s true or have proof but that’s how I’ve always felt about that pick 

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Of course players arent going to attach their names to negative quotes about a player.  Not many do unless their name is T.O.

I don't know how accurate these reports are but there's been several.  In fact too many to just sweep it under the rug.  Maybe the locker room is split 50-50 as far as Wentz.

Ok, that's fine. But like I just said, why would a player give negative quotes anonymously about a teammate? They know that their actions are going to create drama and hurt the team. Someone would only do that if they personally have an agenda against the team and/or the player. Given that fact, and it is a fact, why should I give credence to their accusations?

6 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Ok, that's fine. But like I just said, why would a player give negative quotes anonymously about a teammate? They know that their actions are going to create drama and hurt the team. Someone would only do that if they personally have an agenda against the team and/or the player. Given that fact, and it is a fact, why should I give credence to their accusations?

I suspect the culture in the locker room improves greatly without Alshon and D-Jax 

18 minutes ago, What The F said:

Im a Wentz fan and wish him great success in Indy. With that being said, he's a mental midget. That Hurts pick really messed him up.  But I don't think that was the back breaker.  

That concussion at the end of 2019 was.  Reports came out that him and his wife talked about him retiring.  Then he comes back only to be mauled to death being sacked 75379 times in 12 games. Dude was playing scared and with good reason.  Bad concussion followed by horrendous oline play and bad play calling.  Recipe for disaster.  

Good luck in Indy..

 

What reports said he and his wife discussed retirement?  I could have missed it but I honestly don't remember any reports about that.  

35 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol man some of you really don’t like Wentz. Well he’s not here anymore so I guess you can quit with the ****ing about him and move onto something else to talk about. 

I hope they know when he succeeds in Indy, and he will, I will remember all of them.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What reports said he and his wife discussed retirement?  I could have missed it but I honestly don't remember any reports about that.  

There was multiple reports 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was also the opinion that they didn’t draft Jalen hurts in the second round to just be a back up quarterback or a Taysom Hill type player and trade him for more picks in a couple year. I was always of the opinion the Eagles wanted to have an insurance plan in case things didn’t go as well as they thought it would with wentz.

Now the Eagles might draft a quarterback at six or move up to get one if they believe that quarterback is a better player than what they envisioned hurts to be. Frankly I don’t think the Eagles ever envisioned being at pick 6 a year after they drafted  hurts. I don’t think hurts rules out the fact if they fall in love with one of them more that they’re in love with hurts that they wouldn’t take another quarterback. But to me I think the Eagles wanted to have a Plan B in place in case Carson Wentz wasn’t the player they thought. I don’t know if that’s true or have proof but that’s how I’ve always felt about that pick 

 

You don't draft a QB at #6 or move up to draft a QB at #6 just because you think he is a better player than what you envision Hurts to be.  You only draft a QB at $6 or move up for one if you are sold on him being a special franchise QB like they did with Wentz.  The Eagles are gutting their team this year and will very very likely be a bottom tier team again, although I suspect a more competitive one at least.  If Hurts doesn't show himself to be the guy then they can always go QB next draft and likely have an extra 1st round pick at their trade disposal if need be.  They should also be in a good cap situation if they choose to trade for a veteran that might become available after this season.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I hope they know when he succeeds in Indy, and he will, I will remember all of them.

There was multiple reports 

 

Where?  I did a google search and couldn't find anything on that either.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I hope they know when he succeeds in Indy, and he will, I will remember all of them.

 

I think he’ll succeed in Indy as well. 

40 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

A well executed ball control scheme can protect a struggling defense too. 

It can, but not with 11 different OL combinations in 12 games, it's amazing that the OL finished ranked in the top 20, all hail Stoutland.

Also, to run a ball control offense, ideally you'd want a power back. Sanders isn't a 20 carry a game guy.

It's obvious Doug was trying to run something akin to the KC big strike offense, get a lead and make life easier for the defense in the 2nd half, but without DeSean, that simply wasn't practical.

Nor was it a matter of one weapon, let's say they draft Jefferson instead of Reagor, we saw when Fulgham was hot (outplayed Jefferson his first five games) what happens - defenses rotate a safety on top and man pressure underneath and he disappeared. Jefferson might have fared better, but the same issue, DCs wouldn't let him beat them. This is where Ertz and Goedert getting injured (and Ertz was bad when he played), and Sanders unable to catch (53.8% complete is awful for a RB) hurt them, the other WRs weren't credible targets.

It was a clusterf-- season, they'll be better next year just b/c of regression to the mean. Hopefully, Siri's practice routine, a younger team and a new medical staff will stem the plague of injuries.

Is Ray Didinger still on WIP Sat. mornings? I rarely call in but do once in a blue moon when I have some strong feelings to express. The last time was right after the draft, when everyone thought the pick was crazy, and I made the point that it was not crazy if the Eagles had begun to doubt Wentz's long-term availability/reliability. No seemed to have taken that angle up to that point, but Ray piggy-backed off of it and acknowledge that it the only way to really rationalize the pick. Ray always defended Wentz pretty hard, though, so I'd be interested to hear when/if his assessment changed about him as a franchise QB.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It was a clusterf-- season, they'll be better next year just b/c of regression to the mean. Hopefully, Siri's practice routine, a younger team and a new medical staff will stem the plague of injuries.

Medical staff doesn't have anything to do with the consistent onset of injuries they've had throughout the past several seasons. I'm more excited that they actually got a new strength and conditioning coach in Noriega. S&C has more to do with guys going down and not being able to stay healthy. Hopefully he has a good program in place. 

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

Is Ray Didinger still on WIP Sat. mornings? I rarely call in but do once in a blue moon when I have some strong feelings to express. The last time was right after the draft, when everyone thought the pick was crazy, and I made the point that it was not crazy if the Eagles had begun to doubt Wentz's long-term availability/reliability. No seemed to have taken that angle up to that point, but Ray piggy-backed off of it and acknowledge that it the only way to really rationalize the pick. Ray always defended Wentz pretty hard, though, so I'd be interested to hear when/if his assessment changed about him as a franchise QB.

Howie can't win on Hurts unless he outplays Wentz.

If he doesn't take him, Wentz still screws up, Sudfeld comes in, "why didn't you get a top notch backup." And we'd be going into this draft with rumors that they're shopping Wentz and will take a QB #6, no, they're confident in Wentz, no his teammates have lost confidence , no . . .  You get the picture, media second guessing galore. And the same issue if they bring in a top notch backup who thinks he should start - so that alternative was worse.

I don't think taking Hurts deep sixed Wentz, it was a combination of a lot of factors, maybe the concussion, Doug's desire to install a big play offense without big play receivers, the OL troubles, etc. etc. Even if Wentz didn't completely melt down b/c he's more secure without Hurts (which says he's pretty fragile) he still would have struggled in 2020.

Best just to write it off, crap happens, we got the Championship out of Wentz, two more playoff runs, that's not bad. Any GM would make that deal if he knew that was the result, the aftermath be damned.

I think there's a real possibility that this screenshot was the beginning of the end of the Wentz era. How long was it after this that we got our first anonymous Wentz hit piece? 

Now, even if that's true, all Wentz had to do to put this to bed was play better. Winning cures everything. But he didn't. Whether it was his fault, the team's fault, Doug's fault, it doesn't matter. 

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You don't draft a QB at #6 or move up to draft a QB at #6 just because you think he is a better player than what you envision Hurts to be.  You only draft a QB at $6 or move up for one if you are sold on him being a special franchise QB like they did with Wentz.  The Eagles are gutting their team this year and will very very likely be a bottom tier team again, although I suspect a more competitive one at least.  If Hurts doesn't show himself to be the guy then they can always go QB next draft and likely have an extra 1st round pick at their trade disposal if need be.  They should also be in a good cap situation if they choose to trade for a veteran that might become available after this season.  

 

Where?  I did a google search and couldn't find anything on that either.  

I am under the assumption that they believe Jalen Hurts given time can be a franchise quarterback. So when I say they envision one of those quarterbacks being better than hurts it’s because they believe that quarterback is also going to be a franchise quarterback but just a better/higher ceiling type of franchise quarterback then hurts. I’ve been under the assumption for months now the Eagles think Jalen hurts can eventually be a franchise quarterback. That doesn’t mean I believe that but I can definitely see the Eagles thinking he is their next Russell Wilson and being their guy. 

I would agree with you you don’t just draft a quarterback at six just because he’s better than hurts if the case was you don’t believe hurts is a franchise QB And neither is the other guy. However I think the Eagles believe Jalen hurts is a franchise type quarterback. So they love a quarterback at six and the envision that quarterback as a franchise QB just a better franchise QB then they envision hurts as last year when they drafted him. 

I tend to believe with how the Eagles think they believe if they draft another quarterback who they think is a franchise quarterback that they can eventually trade Jalen Hurts to get picks back because they think he can have value of that type of starting QB if they develop him successful.

That said I wouldn’t draft a quarterback this year. I would build my team up and see what hurts is. See where you are in a year because you’re likely going to be picking very high and either multiple firsts or multiple seconds.  

1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

I think there's a real possibility that this screenshot was the beginning of the end of the Wentz era. How long was it after this that we got our first anonymous Wentz hit piece? 

Now, even if that's true, all Wentz had to do to put this to bed was play better. Winning cures everything. But he didn't. Whether it was his fault, the team's fault, Doug's fault, it doesn't matter. 

Brady is a Trump guy. His career really derailed because of that...

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Brady is a Trump guy. His career really derailed because of that...

Brady is Brady. Like I said, winning cures everything.

Embiid dropped 50 tonight with 17 boards.  

5 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I think there's a real possibility that this screenshot was the beginning of the end of the Wentz era. How long was it after this that we got our first anonymous Wentz hit piece? 

Now, even if that's true, all Wentz had to do to put this to bed was play better. Winning cures everything. But he didn't. Whether it was his fault, the team's fault, Doug's fault, it doesn't matter. 

If I remember correctly, Doug Pederson said he would attend as well.  I don't recall Pederson, "losing the team" or having "anonymous sources" come out and speak up against him.  Pederson was very well perceived by most of the media and fanbase up until about halfway through this past season.

 

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What reports said he and his wife discussed retirement?  I could have missed it but I honestly don't remember any reports about that.  

Cataldi was talking about it in the days after. He said Wentz didnt know where he was for like 2 hours... Said his wife was called down to the medical room (which is not normal) and that sometime after, either that night or the following day, talks of walking away from the game occurred. That concussion was a bad one. 

Just now, What The F said:

Cataldi was talking about it in the days after. He said Wentz didnt know where he was for like 2 hours... Said his wife was called down to the medical room (which is not normal) and that sometime after, either that night or the following day, talks of walking away from the game occurred. That concussion was a bad one. 

 

Well if that's the source then I don't think we can put much weight to it.  

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well if that's the source then I don't think we can put much weight to it.  

Sal pal what is the one who broke the story that his wife was taken to the locker room after he had a concussion because it was pretty severe. However I don’t remember anybody discussing that he was going to retire except for on the blog. we had some people that said they wouldn’t be shocked with all the injuries and the concussion if he pulled an Andrew luck in a couple years

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

If I remember correctly, Doug Pederson said he would attend as well.  I don't recall Pederson, "losing the team" or having "anonymous sources" come out and speak up against him.  Pederson was very well perceived by most of the media and fanbase up until about halfway through this past season.

 

I'm not talking about the media or the fanbase. I'm talking about the locker room. In an era that's highly politically charged, and a team that was very active on the social justice front, it's not a stretch to see a rift started over a QB (who stood on the sidelines during the Superbowl run) choose to meet with a man that a large portion of the team despised. I'm not making a moral judgement one way or the other. I'm simply stating that this event very well might have been what triggered the rift between Wentz and other anonymous players. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sal pal what is the one who broke the story that his wife was taken to the locker room after he had a concussion because it was pretty severe. However I don’t remember anybody discussing that he was going to retire except for on the blog. we had some people that said they wouldn’t be shocked with all the injuries and the concussion if he pulled an Andrew luck in a couple years

 

Point still stands with Sal Pal.  

1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

I'm not talking about the media or the fanbase. I'm talking about the locker room. In an era that's highly politically charged, and a team that was very active on the social justice front, it's not a stretch to see a rift started over a QB (who stood on the sidelines during the Superbowl run) choose to meet with a man that a large portion of the team despised. I'm not making a moral judgement one way or the other. I'm simply stating that this event very well might have been what triggered the rift between Wentz and other anonymous players. 

I don't buy it.  Players want to win most of all and most don't care if their QB is a "so or so".  Had Wentz consistently performed at a high level and won, there wouldn't of been "anonymous" sources complaining about him. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't buy it.  Players want to win most of all and most don't care if their QB is a "so or so".  Had Wentz consistently performed at a high level and won, there wouldn't of been "anonymous" sources complaining about him. 

Which is exactly what I said. 

From Matt miller’s mock draft

6. Philadelphia Eagles — QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State

If you aren’t sure your guy at quarterback is theguy, you better make a move to improve the position. The new Eagles’ head coaching staff is not tied to Jalen Hurts and general manager Howie Roseman is tied to no one, it seems. This wouldn’t be my pick—I’d give Hurts a year to prove himself and add DeVonta Smith (WR, Alabama), but this pick has a ton of buzz right now.