16 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Pretty much, he likely already knew Wentz wasn’t coming back, plus maybe they promised him a QB in the first round just like they got for Doug.  I keep seeing that this isn’t the right time to draft a QB, but was it the right time when Doug was made coach?  If Howie likes a QB in this draft and if he’s not sold on Hurts, they’ll likely draft one early. 
  

I think it was the right time to draft a QB when Doug took over and I wouldn't be upset if they do it again here. I'm bigger on Wilson, Lance, and even Trask than I am Shough, Howell,  Slovis, or Nix for 2022. Especially Wilson. The problem is that you're essentially admitting failure on another second round pick having taken Hurts last year if you go QB at 6 or higher this year. But I don't expect them to be drafting in the top six next season so this is a rare opportunity to get a guy that you feel is your next franchise QB. 

I still don’t think the starting QB for week 1 is on the team. My feeling is Hurts gets dealt. Week 1 starter will be a first round pick or vet like Brissett that they bring in. 
 

But maybe Howie is too arrogant and insists on rolling with Hurts. Even though they apparently fired Doug because he didn’t want Wentz. Hell, I don’t know. 

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Burton is 238. 

And I think he's the lightest TE in the league

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think it was the right time to draft a QB when Doug took over and I wouldn't be upset if they do it again here. I'm bigger on Wilson, Lance, and even Trask than I am Shough, Howell,  Slovis, or Nix for 2022. Especially Wilson. The problem is that you're essentially admitting failure on another second round pick having taken Hurts last year if you go QB at 6 or higher this year. But I don't expect them to be drafting in the top six next season so this is a rare opportunity to get a guy that you feel is your next franchise QB. 

I get this in theory but on the other hand you can’t compound a mistake. You don’t take a QB just to take one this year but if you feel a guy is special and gives you a better chance than Hurts, you take it. 

54 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I seriously doubt it. Sirianni was hired on January 21st.

Stories about a potential trade popped up soon after.

https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-trade-8/

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/1/30/22257503/eagles-news-nick-sirianni-cant-answer-carson-wentz-team-2021-trade-roster-quarterback-jalen-hurts-qb

It's hard to imagine Sirianni not asking about the status of Wentz, whether they were planning to move him, etc.

The media assumption was he was hired to "fix" Wentz, but that was sheer speculation. Given Sirianni hired a QB coach with close ties to Hurts on January 27th, seems the decision to trade Wentz may have been made when Sirianni was hired.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-quarterbacks-coach-brian-johnson-has-longstanding-relationship-jalen

You keep acting like Sirianni is some coach with a ton of clout. 
 

You’re also talking in circles again. First it was if Sirianni wanted Wentz he’d be his QB. Now it’s the decision was made to trade him regardless. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I get this in theory but on the other hand you can’t compound a mistake. You don’t take a QB just to take one this year but if you feel a guy is special and gives you a better chance than Hurts, you take it. 

I don't have an issue with it. The Cardinals did it with taking Murray a year after taking Rosen. They took their medicine, admitted they made a wrong pick, and got a better QB in there. I just don't know how much pride comes into play with Roseman if he wants another failed top two draft pick on his record. But from the obvious situation, he seems to have an endless leash with Lurie so he might do it. There's zero repercussions on his end. He's not losing his job anytime soon. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You keep acting like Sirianni is some coach with a ton of clout. 
 

You’re also talking in circles again. First it was if Sirianni wanted Wentz he’d be his QB. Now it’s the decision was made to trade him regardless. 

No. I think this was talked about in the interview. Probably asked him what he thought about Wentz and Hurts. Asked him how he'd develop and use each QB. Asked him if he would still be interested in the job if they had to move one, and which one. If they had really wanted to keep Wentz, I'd think they would have done a full court press with him. That never happened, and when Sirianni was hired, he was noncommittal about which QB would start. The fact that the rumors started soon after Sirianni was hired, followed by hiring Johnson, says the decision was mutual when Siri was hired. Hiring Johnson is a strong clue that they like Hurts, since they got him a coach he would trust.

"Johnson, who was Florida's QB coach and offensive coordinator in 2020, goes on to remark how Hurts and Prescott are similar not just in their physical games on the field, but the mindset they bring to the quarterback position."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-quarterbacks-coach-brian-johnson-has-longstanding-relationship-jalen

https://www.phillyvoice.com/john-mcmullen-brian-johnson-eagles-quarterbacks-coach-carson-wentz-jalen-hurts-0599965/

There's a lot more to Johnson, he also coached Trask, a pocket QB, into a 3rd rd pick with a great season at Florida. On the other hand, Johnson knows turning Hurts into a solid starting NFL QB punches his ticket.

People try to make Roseman into some nefarious character, which is just weird. I'm sure Howie gets irritated by the "football man" crap, after two decades he has a right to feel he's learned something, especially after most of the men who dissed him are out of the NFL after failing elsewhere. He's made his share of mistakes, what GM hasn't? But he's rebuilt this team twice, delivered a SB win two years after Chip cratered the team, dumping DeSean and McCoy and signing guys like Murray and Maxwell. Find me an available GM with as good of a track record.

 

 

The only thing bugging me about Wentz is his desire to leave Philly despite having such an atrocious season. You’d think a real competitor would want to stay and prove the doubters wrong. But perhaps he really is a bit narcissistic like some suggest and in his mind it’s other people’s fault. 

Another thing we’ll never fully know the answer to is how drafting Hurts effected Wentz. I don’t think it was the main reason for him sucking but it did play a role.
 

But dang this fanbase still rips McNabb for being soft yet he played 3 seasons of average to above average football after drafting Kolb. 

Sometimes things go sour and a player needs a change of scenery. I'm not interested in "who is to blame," this was more like an unfortunate sequence of events.

If the Eagles really wanted Wentz to stay, they would have done the full court press, Lurie taking him to a fancy dinner, Siri calling upon him, the team making a pledge to his charities, and so on. The fact that they never did says the feeling was mutual. Lowie may have decided that it just wasn't worth it and time to move on.

The compensation wasn't great, but it mitigates the damage, they still got a SB and 2 more playoff runs, and now get a 3rd and a probable 1st. And Wentz's money is off the books after 2021. By 2023, either the rebuild works, and it doesn't matter, or the rebuild didn't work and keeping Wentz would have made no difference.

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. I think this was talked about in the interview. Probably asked him what he thought about Wentz and Hurts. Asked him how he'd develop and use each QB. Asked him if he would still be interested in the job if they had to move one, and which one. If they had really wanted to keep Wentz, I'd think they would have done a full court press with him. That never happened, and when Sirianni was hired, he was noncommittal about which QB would start. The fact that the rumors started soon after Sirianni was hired, followed by hiring Johnson, says the decision was mutual when Siri was hired. Hiring Johnson is a strong clue that they like Hurts, since they got him a coach he would trust.

"Johnson, who was Florida's QB coach and offensive coordinator in 2020, goes on to remark how Hurts and Prescott are similar not just in their physical games on the field, but the mindset they bring to the quarterback position."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-quarterbacks-coach-brian-johnson-has-longstanding-relationship-jalen

https://www.phillyvoice.com/john-mcmullen-brian-johnson-eagles-quarterbacks-coach-carson-wentz-jalen-hurts-0599965/

There's a lot more to Johnson, he also coached Trask, a pocket QB, into a 3rd rd pick with a great season at Florida. On the other hand, Johnson knows turning Hurts into a solid starting NFL QB punches his ticket.

People try to make Roseman into some nefarious character, which is just weird. I'm sure Howie gets irritated by the "football man" crap, after two decades he has a right to feel he's learned something, especially after most of the men who dissed him are out of the NFL after failing elsewhere. He's made his share of mistakes, what GM hasn't? But he's rebuilt this team twice, delivered a SB win two years after Chip cratered the team, dumping DeSean and McCoy and signing guys like Murray and Maxwell. Find me an available GM with as good of a track record.

 

 

You literally said after his first PC he couldn’t comment on a starting QB because he didn’t have time to sit down and review the film. All you do is spin your thoughts on the fly. And hiring Johnson is so overblown, the only connection is Hurts dad coached Johnson in high school. That’s literally it. And the fact you end this post defending Howie when I never even mentioned him is the cherry on top. I never thought I would find someone that felt the need to white knight Howie Roseman of all people. 

13 hours ago, John_C said:

I think it was indeed reported that Chip was behind the decision, but the ownership allowed this.

You don't sit back and allow pro bowl players, in their primes, signed to reasonable (i.e. in value range and affordable) money.   Can't be allowed.  Furthermore, you do not enable, facilitate, promote, or even "look the other way" when your team's front office leaks fake, derogatory and potentially defamatory stories to help sway fan opinion on an unpopular decision.

I think most fans know, not every move will work out.  We get it.  Win some, lose some.  Make the best decisions you can with the information at hand.  Hire the best people.  Embrace technology, but implement it carefully and considerately.  Etc.

We just don't want the stupid decisions anymore.  We are ok with "innovative," "aggressive" at times... sure.  How about just stop doing things that are so dumb that TATErs can see it right away?  You have a probowl player in his prime.  You don't outright cut him mid contract.  You have, at long last, a franchise QB, whom you have just signed to a record contract, but you also have an aging team and many needs.  You don't draft another quarterback in the second round.  You can look back and even bad teams like the Browns, Jaguars, Lions etc. don't do things like this.

We also want to be great at drafting.  At least good.... good or great.  Occasional bad draft?  OK.  Multiple bad drafts?  Draft decision that were known to be bad at the time?  Repeating the same mistakes?  We want the team to do what is right and turn over the leadership.  Hold someone accountable for performance, please, in what is the most important function of the team and predictor of future success.  

I realize I'm talking out of turn here, speaking for anyone else but myself, but these views are shared by my own friends who support the team.  Not sure how every poster here thinks about it... but I'm hoping you might see why there is no support anymore for the current personnel leadership structure we have, and why people struggle to understand why you have such strong continued support for it.  We have to want better than what they have done.  There must be a higher standard than this.

I agree with where you are going, easier to lay blame but obviously their way HAS worked 3 out of 4 years in the playoffs with one SB as champs. So as not to look at things in a vacuum, what team or teams should be the bar ? I’m asking genuinely. Really the best way is to break it down into facets and emulate in those departments such as consistently good drafts, signing the best and right FA’s for the money, letting the right people walk, player development and then to make it all work you have to have the right coaches and head coach. NE was if you go by results but now KC I guess, NO, GB, Ravens, Pittsburgh, maybe the Colts if Wentz pans out. It seems you got to luck into a QB not an exact science ( Brady in the 6th !!! ).

Compare apples to apples to be realistic. I’d like to see more accountability but if group pondering leads to success we shouldn’t complain

3 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I still don’t think the starting QB for week 1 is on the team. My feeling is Hurts gets dealt. Week 1 starter will be a first round pick or vet like Brissett that they bring in. 
 

But maybe Howie is too arrogant and insists on rolling with Hurts. Even though they apparently fired Doug because he didn’t want Wentz. Hell, I don’t know. 

You definitely don’t know.  They aren’t trading Hurts.  Just more absurd Washer nonsense.

It has begun.

Wentz’s last touchdown pass as an Eagle was the Hail Mary to Richard Rodgers vs the Seahawks, lol. 

14 hours ago, John_C said:

I'm not the GM.  I can throw a name out there just like you can or anyone here can.  It's not about one pick.  It's about having the right people in place to make decisions toward building a team that can compete for a championship.  If I had to do the draft this year, I would be extremely reluctant to use the 6 or any pick on a QB.  In a total rebuild, I would focus on adding difference makers at any position, with a particular focus on the offensive and defensive lines.

What will stop my complaining?  Easy.  The owner comes forward, admits he needs to make changes, hires and empowers a real NFL GM, and we can have a fresh start.  Maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but what has been going on with the Eagles is a train wreck.  Most precipitous decline of an SB winner with a young QB I can think of.

I've mentioned that the Eagles are very likely taking a QB at 6 (or trade up).  Decades of watching the team have provided me with the ability to predict what they are doing or will do with some accuracy.  I'm just preparing those that don't see this for what is likely to happen.  Much like I tried to help those that seriously thought/hoped Wentz was coming back.

Hopefully whatever QB they take ends up being awesome.  Is that likely?  Not in my opinion.  

I hear you, easier to point blame remove and replace but this is a private enterprise and Lurie can structure the way he thinks works best. This innuendo about insuring Howie’s position to the detriment of the team is growing tiresome and makes little sense. To me drafting Wentz may have been their greatest success and in the end maybe their biggest failure. All that invested and one play takes the guy from a top 5 QB turning him into maybe just a top 15 qb. That they saw his potential and moved heaven and earth to take him everyone should appreciate. How often does that workout ? I guess at this time never but they had the right idea. I’d say injuries have been the biggest hindrance more so than the drafting and FA signings. Gotta do a better job there. Like to have seen Wallace and Brooks injury free for the entire 2018 season.

At 6 it’s going to be a WR or QB or they can reach for an OL like Slater or Darrisaw. Hope they can find a partner to trade back with. Which real GM ? This non-NFL GM won a SB, imagine if we had a real one. What makes a real NFL GM BTW ?

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

It has begun.

Won;t happen, saying it right now. Eagles will not draft back to back drafts QBs in the first 2 rounds. We just ended one of the biggest QB controversy in this teams history and it was nothing short of Ugly. They will not repeat that. Its just common football sense to clear the air and move past this Wentz/Hurts controversy and drafting a QB in round 1 will put us right back in it. 

If the Eagles get a taker, they will trade back and build up some picks to help start the rebuild process. They will roll with Hurts next year and either draft a mid/late round backup or a super cheap no name QB in FA. 

BTW all the "BUZZ" is the Fans and Media/Radio building up this hype. Nothing from the Eagles staff has indicated this at all. I dont really build that up to be a rumor. 

1 hour ago, The guy in France said:

I hear you, easier to point blame remove and replace but this is a private enterprise and Lurie can structure the way he thinks works best. This innuendo about insuring Howie’s position to the detriment of the team is growing tiresome and makes little sense. To me drafting Wentz may have been their greatest success and in the end maybe their biggest failure. All that invested and one play takes the guy from a top 5 QB turning him into maybe just a top 15 qb. That they saw his potential and moved heaven and earth to take him everyone should appreciate. How often does that workout ? I guess at this time never but they had the right idea. I’d say injuries have been the biggest hindrance more so than the drafting and FA signings. Gotta do a better job there. Like to have seen Wallace and Brooks injury free for the entire 2018 season.

At 6 it’s going to be a WR or QB or they can reach for an OL like Slater or Darrisaw. Hope they can find a partner to trade back with. Which real GM ? This non-NFL GM won a SB, imagine if we had a real one. What makes a real NFL GM BTW ?

FWIW, Howie's and the FO's best decisions were made when he had strong football knowledge and experience around him.  Last season was a perfect example of what happens when you let him run the circus.

Howie has been with the Eagles for now 20 or so years? Im not supporting Howie or bashing him here. Im just wondering why people are calling him a "non football" guy? If your in the league for that long, I think that would give you enough experience/credit to put you in the football guy range. 

10 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Howie has been with the Eagles for now 20 or so years? Im not supporting Howie or bashing him here. Im just wondering why people are calling him a "non football" guy? If your in the league for that long, I think that would give you enough experience/credit to put you in the football guy range. 

Nickelback has been a band for 25 years and they still suck...time means nothing.

2 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

You definitely don’t know.  They aren’t trading Hurts.  Just more absurd Washer nonsense.

So if the Eagles go QB at 6 then they aren’t trading Hurts? I don’t know but I guess you do 

36 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I am so tired of hearing this BS sentiment.  Week in and week out the guy stood, red-faced, at the podium saying "he has to be better”.   Every week!  WTF else do you want him to say?  JFC. 

Saying it in front of cameras and behind closed doors are two different things. You know that. 

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Nickelback has been a band for 25 years and they still suck...time means nothing.

Has nothing to do with him sucking or not. Just don't get the people calling him a non football guy. Makes no sense. 

BTW he did bring us our first SB win. Im sure many here have prayed and said they would give their left nut to see a SB in Philly. Have to give him credit for that SB year. Like it our not, he made some key moves to land us to the promise land. Maybe it is his time to go just like it was time for Doug to go. But I'll still give Doug and Howie the respect they deserve for being a part of the greatest win in Philly history. 

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I realize that none of this is Sirianni's fault.  But the optics are interesting.

The head coach of the team is supposed to be the emperor, the captain of the ship.  Look at all these moves reshaping the foundations of the team from underneath him.  And yet he's silent (not that I really expect him to say anything or have any idea what he should say).

It just creates the impression that this new HC is once again a puppet, almost feels like Jim Carey in that stupid movie "Fun with Dick and Jane."  He gets a promotion just to be the PR fall guy for a company that is going under.

He's got to be thinking "what the heck did I get myself into????????"

The draw to the job is the shedding of older players to begin.shaping the team how he wants it.  Every coach that interviewed knew DeSean, Alshon, Malik, and others would have to be cut and the dead money this season would be intense.  The job is a rebuild, not a run it back.  That is the draw.