15 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The draw to the job is the shedding of older players to begin.shaping the team how he wants it.  Every coach that interviewed knew DeSean, Alshon, Malik, and others would have to be cut and the dead money this season would be intense.  The job is a rebuild, not a run it back.  That is the draw.

The draw is the average OC makes about $1mil per year while the average HC makes $6 mil per year. 

15 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The draw to the job is the shedding of older players to begin.shaping the team how he wants it.  Every coach that interviewed knew DeSean, Alshon, Malik, and others would have to be cut and the dead money this season would be intense.  The job is a rebuild, not a run it back.  That is the draw.

Have to agree. Lurie himself said this would be a 2-3 year process. They were not looking at next year, more towards the future. 

Where this will come down to being successful or a disaster will be solely on the draft process the next few years. Building up more picks and using them wisely will be the way to go. Build a team and land that QB later. Better to have a good team and add the most expensive piece last to give you as many years possible on a Rookie contract for the most expensive player. Or you can do what the Bucs did. Build the team and add the FA QB on a short term contract that puts you in competition for a SB. 

I think this all comes down to which direction Howie will go? Trust his staff and make the best choice to build the team with the best players avail or go rogue and try for "prospects" again and set this team back even longer? I think this draft success or failures will determine if Howie is in his role in 2022. Success doesnt have to mean playoffs. Just that the players are showing signs that they can be good solid all around players in this league and quick. 

10 hours ago, Giddyunc said:

So let me rephrase, is there one single thing that you can point to (other than anonymously sourced stories) that display his mental fragility? If, as you said, Wentz showed us a lot of mental fragility, there has to be at least one instance. I'll even take a quote from a player or person within the organization. 

Mental fragility, is there a metric ?

He seems rather high maintenance, maybe it will work out in Indy. The relationship seemed to have been demolished, water under the bridge, the pick did not receive the usual Royal dispensation 

11 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think wentz is perfect whatsoever. He has his warts and flaws. I think he lacked accepting coaching and it showed in his mechanics being inconsistent. I also think he has some entitlement issues based off reports that came out over the past couple years. (Fairness i think a lot of starting QBs have entitlement issues we just don’t get leaked stories like the eagles do)

Imo i would say he and the eagles handled things poorly with the hurts situation. JMO i firmly believe he was pissed off in April (eagles covered that up in their presser about Hurts pick), wanted out back then, tried to play it out and then a snowball of a couple bad games early then became an avalanche. At that point he saw the point of no return in philly. However i also don’t think the eagles did a very good job either over the years to get to this point in time  

To me this is a complete organizational failure from lurie, roseman, doug, coaches and wentz. The fact is it falls on all of them for allowing it to get to this point. I would’ve blown the whole thing up got rid of all three if i were lurie if all these reports were true (and I’m guessing lurie knows what is and isn’t true) and them leaking out. 

So uncoachable, ok. Why blame all 3 for 1’s failings ? Wish him luck and kiss him goodbye. Bigger than the whole organization my a**

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Gannon also coached under Zimmer, who loves tall, long defensive ends.

So Greg Rousseau could be in play with a trade down.

8 hours ago, Giddyunc said:

And just from the eye test, it seems like he could easily add 15+ lbs.

JJAW has a horrible frame.  He has next to no muscle definition.  He should join Herbig and ask to train with Brandon Brooks.

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

They have JJAW, Wilson, Butler and Jackson as H-back candidates.

Look for a late round pick/priority UDFA as a conventional TE candidate, some guy who's 6'6 260 with good hands and routes who runs a 4.9 40. Lewis and Celek did alright with that kind of speed, if you block well, the defense has a tendency to forget about you in the pass game, and these guys sneak out for underneath throws.

If we draft a tight end with 4.9 speed please shoot me.

This makes far more sense than what’s been previously reported. I don’t buy the 8-10 week timeline. 

The key for Sirianni is not get progressively worse for three straight seasons. 
 

DP - 2018, 2019, 2020 

Chip - 2013, 2014, 2015 

AR - 2010, 2011, 2012 

Rhodes - 96, 97, 98 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  And since it’s behind closed doors.  How do you know what he did or didn’t say?  Are you going by those unnamed sources again?  The ones Chris Long talked about?   Until someone has the stones to put their name on a quote, I’m gonna choose to believe those who have spoke out in the media.  Long,  Kelce, Graham and others.   You really think the Carson Wentz the public has seen is that much different behind closed doors?  Does he come off that complex?  Hokie?  Sure.  

Yes, I believe there is some truth to the reports quoting unnamed sources. So O guess we’ll agree to disagree. 

19 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The draw is the average OC makes about $1mil per year while the average HC makes $6 mil per year. 

There can be multiple enticements.  Money, of course, but also the chance to be the next McVay or Shanahan for a young guy.  

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This makes far more sense than what’s been previously reported. I don’t buy the 8-10 week timeline. 

Of course it makes sense. The HC needs to focus on the starting QB most. That is where 90+% of your effort and communication is going to go. 

10 weeks is just the reporters doing their jobs to get readers to click the link and read their article over the next guy. One reporters suggests it and they all start to follow. They know the Eagles fans are suckers for a click bait story about the QB

15 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Have to agree. Lurie himself said this would be a 2-3 year process. They were not looking at next year, more towards the future. 

Where this will come down to being successful or a disaster will be solely on the draft process the next few years. Building up more picks and using them wisely will be the way to go. Build a team and land that QB later. Better to have a good team and add the most expensive piece last to give you as many years possible on a Rookie contract for the most expensive player. Or you can do what the Bucs did. Build the team and add the FA QB on a short term contract that puts you in competition for a SB. 

I think this all comes down to which direction Howie will go? Trust his staff and make the best choice to build the team with the best players avail or go rogue and try for "prospects" again and set this team back even longer? I think this draft success or failures will determine if Howie is in his role in 2022. Success doesnt have to mean playoffs. Just that the players are showing signs that they can be good solid all around players in this league and quick. 

Yes, draft well is our hope.  I've already created a shrine to the draft dieties to get the ball rolling

10 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I'd be curious to know what the specific moment was with Wentz that caused them to have one foot out the door with him. It obviously wasn't before June 2019 when they gave him his deal. It couldn't have been during the regular season when he took a practice squad team to the playoffs. So I'm assuming it was when he got knocked out of the Seattle playoff game. Which is a stupid reason if it is because it was a freak incident/cheap shot after he had completed a full 16 game season. I never bought the lip service about them drafting Hurts to be a complement/Taysom Hill piece added to the offense. They obviously drafted him to be their next starter with what transpired. 

How did you come up with this as the reason ? Why not the obvious like " Sudfeld sux " ? " We give up "

11 hours ago, Giddyunc said:

Oh there were clearly issues. That we can at least all agree on. However, I'm reluctant to disparage Wentz's mental toughness when the only indications of that come from anonymous sources that have a clear agenda. 

Let me guess, it’s a conspiracy. Happening everywhere

if i had to go by the division games, our defense can hold them but our offense is the problem, that's why i say go all offense in this draft.

7 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

There can be multiple enticements.  Money, of course, but also the chance to be the next McVay or Shanahan for a young guy.  

Obviously he’s going to want to be successful... you guys dramatize and think way too into things. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Obviously he’s going to want to be successful... you guys dramatize and think way too into things. 

I'm just saying money isn't the only reason the job is a draw and that is dramatic?  I think it's much more dramatic to rest on money as the only motivator for driven people.  

Sirianni was a coach at IUP from 2006-2008. I was there in 2010 for grad school and worked as a student assistant at football games. I never heard of him until he was named a candidate for the Eagles HC job. 
 

There was no way he wasn’t taking the Eagles HC job... no need put a "reasoning” behind it. 

Eagles need to build the rest of the team before they worry about using another high pick on a QB , you can have brady or Mahomes back there and they can't carry the current team.

Get the rest of the team in place , then find a QB , beit a draft pick or a vet , maybe hurts works out.

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I'm just saying money isn't the only reason the job is a draw and that is dramatic?  I think it's much more dramatic to rest on money as the only motivator for driven people.  

He’s more worried about winning than being the next McVay 

2 hours ago, The guy in France said:

I hear you, easier to point blame remove and replace but this is a private enterprise and Lurie can structure the way he thinks works best. This innuendo about insuring Howie’s position to the detriment of the team is growing tiresome and makes little sense. To me drafting Wentz may have been their greatest success and in the end maybe their biggest failure. All that invested and one play takes the guy from a top 5 QB turning him into maybe just a top 15 qb. That they saw his potential and moved heaven and earth to take him everyone should appreciate. How often does that workout ? I guess at this time never but they had the right idea. I’d say injuries have been the biggest hindrance more so than the drafting and FA signings. Gotta do a better job there. Like to have seen Wallace and Brooks injury free for the entire 2018 season.

At 6 it’s going to be a WR or QB or they can reach for an OL like Slater or Darrisaw. Hope they can find a partner to trade back with. Which real GM ? This non-NFL GM won a SB, imagine if we had a real one. What makes a real NFL GM BTW ?

I don’t see it as innuendo.  By any measure, the Eagles personnel moves since 2017 have been a total failure.  The person in charge is still there.  No one has been fired. Whoever made the JJAW>DK and Reagor>Jefferson decisions is still there.  I don’t see the need to rehash how bad the personnel side has been handled for four years.   I’ve stated the different areas as have many others.  Very little talent here to go with a league worst cap situation.  Multiple blown drafts. The Wentz implosion and result would be fireable in any situation, but then again no owner or GM would have done what they did in round 2 last year either.

You are right, the moves in 2016 to divest the team of bad Chip players and contracts (Maxwell, Shakiko, Murray) and the evaluation and trade up for Wentz deserve credit.  I had thought at that time, maybe the year in the closet worked.  Then obviously they won the SB the next year.  I was there to hear what Kelce said about Howie in his speech.  After many prior questionable decisions and statements, my faith in the owner and GM were fully restored.

No one could have possibly anticipated how badly they have done since that speech.

I would again maintain that if the Eagles had saved money and fired the entire scouting staff, and just called Mel Kiper when on the clock over the last four years, the team would be in much better shape today.  32nd our of 32 teams in drafting isn’t god enough for me.  I’ll just speak for myself on that one.  Not good enough.

A real NFL GM is able to make good decisions most of the time.  They must build a great staff that enables a team to draft very well, work to build a TEAM and not "maximize value” (and understand the difference), make good bets on which young players to invest in with extensions, have a plan in place for each position including roster construction, salary cap and player development, set the right priorities for the team to maximize impact, and be the ultimate caretaker of the team culture based on who they do and do not acquire.  Most importantly, a real GM will not make big, obvious mistakes.  They will be confident enough to avoid having to make headlines or prove anything to anybody.

Who is the next guy?  I don’t know.  There are tons of qualified personnel people who might be great... but it does not matter.  Based on what we know, the owner has become heavily involved in all of the details and decision making, and changing out Howie for someone else for Lurie to "collaborate " with that doesn’t have real authority won’t change anything.  You will notice in my posts, I’m not directing my ire  solely at Howie, the owner and GM must now be considered a single entity, hence "Lowie.”  If Howie were solely responsible, no leader in any organization could possibly retain him based on the performance and results.  But as we learned from Joe Banner.... "Lurie has not even considered it.”

3 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

It has begun.

I don't see it happening. As much as they should take a QB at 6 (if theres one they like), I just think there's some high motor fastball they'll over draft. 

52 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The draw to the job is the shedding of older players to begin.shaping the team how he wants it.  Every coach that interviewed knew DeSean, Alshon, Malik, and others would have to be cut and the dead money this season would be intense.  The job is a rebuild, not a run it back.  That is the draw.

Except it’s being shaped by Howie/Lurie, not Sirianni.

21 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The key for Sirianni is not get progressively worse for three straight seasons. 
 

DP - 2018, 2019, 2020 

Chip - 2013, 2014, 2015 

AR - 2010, 2011, 2012 

Rhodes - 96, 97, 98 

Interesting post, but Chip only regressed for 2 straight.  2013 was improvement.  That was a unique circumstance though.