2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Of course not. 

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Not even close.  

And you know this how? 
 

Unless I’m misinterpreting your definitions of "maxed out”, I don’t think anyone can say one way or the other.

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I did my first few TDN mock drafts and found myself double dipping at LB in round 3. 

My question: Did Singleton show enough last year to not double dip at LB? Considering we likely won’t play much with three LBs, is it worth it to take two LBs high?

I think Singleton is a solid piece.  Whether or not the new coaching staff agrees is another question.  I have a feeling after watching enough film (he was the one guy on defense who always seemed to be around the ball) the new coaching staff will consider him a "keeper". 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I did my first few TDN mock drafts and found myself double dipping at LB in round 3. 

My question: Did Singleton show enough last year to not double dip at LB? Considering we likely won’t play much with three LBs, is it worth it to take two LBs high?

No he didn't. Double dip all you like. Worse comes to worse Singleton improves even more and gets a starter job making the third linebacker at least quality depth. 

I cannot get past the hubris of the Eagles organization.

"The Gold Standard"

"The New Normal"

"QB Factory"

"Five Future GMs"

OK, you won a Super Bowl. Great. It is something that approximately two thirds of the league has done. Hell, TB has done it twice.

You are a 4-11-1 team. You are without a franchise QB. You have a dearth of young talent.

You are not demonstrably  more clever than are your competitors.

Get over yourselves.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is he already maxed out though? 

In his first start he looked like a really good #2 QB, in his second start he progressed to looking like a lower-tier #1 QB.  His last 2 starts against DAL and WFT were not encouraging at all.  It looked like defenses were already figuring him out.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Goodwin had some serious underlying health issues, from what I recall.  I don't think the Eagles would hold that against him.  If he's not back, it would be for reasons not related to him "opting out", imo.

 

He opted out because of he and his wife’s fertility issues. He isn’t coming back at close to $5M but if he wants to come back at vet min he’ll be at camp

The other reason to give Hurts a shot is if he fails, he's got the kind of character that will accept that it was his fault, not the coach, and also accept the role as backup and mentor to whatever young QB they add in 2022. So it's sorta of a win-win, if Hurts succeeds, you have your QB, if he fails, you have a high character backup QB who won't chafe in that role.

I'm wary of drafting QBs high these days, the track record of QBs taken in the top 10 is so bad that you're almost better off building a team and adding a veteran or getting lucky at the end of the 1st rd or the 2nd rd. Brady wins with TB, Brees goes to NO and dominates, Peyton goes to Denver and wins.

It's too easy to engage in wishful thinking when drafting QBs, but the transition to the pro game is harder at QB than any other position.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

In his first start he looked like a really good #2 QB, in his second start he progressed to looking like a lower-tier #1 QB.  His last 2 starts against DAL and WFT were not encouraging at all.  It looked like defenses were already figuring him out.

Means nothing, given the circumstances.

Eagles are going to have a totally different offense next year, no multiple deep routes and ten passes in a row.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

And you know this how? 
 

Unless I’m misinterpreting your definitions of "maxed out”, I don’t think anyone can say one way or the other.

He was considered "developmental", possibly a 2nd year starter coming into the league.  He started 4 games, without a pre-season and limited camp (absolutely crucial for rookie QB's) and still played well during those 4 starts.  Despite showing flaws, what he did in those 4 starts is beyond impressive for a rookie QB who did not have a pre-season to prepare/learn and who came in and started when 50% of the offensive starters were out/hurt.

No, I don't consider him even close to "maxed out". He's just getting started, imo.

 

5 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

No he didn't. Double dip all you like. Worse comes to worse Singleton improves even more and gets a starter job making the third linebacker at least quality depth. 

You may want to google "what round was Duke Riley drafted in" and then get back to us on how a pair of rookie third round LBs are going to walk into camp and put Alex Singleton out of a job.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The other reason to give Hurts a shot is if he fails, he's got the kind of character that will accept that it was his fault, not the coach, and also accept the role as backup and mentor to whatever young QB they add in 2022. So it's sorta of a win-win, if Hurts succeeds, you have your QB, if he fails, you have a high character backup QB who won't chafe in that role.

I'm wary of drafting QBs high these days, the track record of QBs taken in the top 10 is so bad that you're almost better off building a team and adding a veteran or getting lucky at the end of the 1st rd or the 2nd rd. Brady wins with TB, Brees goes to NO and dominates, Peyton goes to Denver and wins.

It's too easy to engage in wishful thinking when drafting QBs, but the transition to the pro game is harder at QB than any other position.

Although I agree with going with Hurts as starter in 2022, the bolded is highly speculative.  What I saw with my own eyes was he basically tuned Doug out and nodded blankly, while pretty much ignoring Wentz and looking at the tablet.  He also said "that ain't right" when he was pulled after going 7-for-20 with an INT.  

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

One thing I can say with near certainty with Hurts: He will get the most out of his ability. His work ethic by all accounts is incredible. How good is a maxed out Hurts? That’s certainly debatable. 

You're absolutely right.  All you hear about from college/prep coaches are things about his work ethic, his leadership and the kind of guy he is.  I HOPE he can be the quarterback for the Eagles now.  I think he has potential, just not sure what that potential is.  Surround him with a good team and I think he can take the Eagles places.  Make him THE guy and force him to win games then it's not going to happen.

It's hard to do since the trade is so fresh and Carson was the guy but I'm now cheering for and hoping that Hurts is the guy to turn this around.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

In his first start he looked like a really good #2 QB, in his second start he progressed to looking like a lower-tier #1 QB.  His last 2 starts against DAL and WFT were not encouraging at all.  It looked like defenses were already figuring him out.

That was more or less my point. Hard work ethic is obviously a great trait to have but every player has a talent level they can play up to. Hard work ethic probably gets you their faster too. Experience, coaching and keeping your body right can help marginally improve but it’s also not a sure thing he ever gets better than what we saw. 

42 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

you are acting like there's a brady in every draft, you have no stop thinking like that, that mentality is the reason why the jets and browns cant win anything. you got to build around the qb instead of making the qb be the guy.

What? That is exactly the opposite. I’m saying Brady is a freak anomaly 

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You may want to google "what round was Duke Riley drafted in" and then get back to us on how a pair of rookie third round LBs are going to walk into camp and put Alex Singleton out of a job.

So every single 3rd round linebacker is Duke Riley. Ok. Got it 🥴

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The other reason to give Hurts a shot is if he fails, he's got the kind of character that will accept that it was his fault, not the coach, and also accept the role as backup and mentor to whatever young QB they add in 2022. So it's sorta of a win-win, if Hurts succeeds, you have your QB, if he fails, you have a high character backup QB who won't chafe in that role.

I'm wary of drafting QBs high these days, the track record of QBs taken in the top 10 is so bad that you're almost better off building a team and adding a veteran or getting lucky at the end of the 1st rd or the 2nd rd. Brady wins with TB, Brees goes to NO and dominates, Peyton goes to Denver and wins.

It's too easy to engage in wishful thinking when drafting QBs, but the transition to the pro game is harder at QB than any other position.

Haha I just read that first line... give him a shot because he’d be OK failing. Right 

50 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lance is bigger, stronger, faster than Hurts — and has a much better arm 

 

He's taller but his frame is far more slim.  

The Eagles might still have a philosophy against valuing LB highly because that seems to be Howie's philosophy.  We will see at the draft how much Sirianni and Gannon have influence in the players drafted -- both in terms of position and physical traits.  It might be quite a bit different than the previous 5 drafts; it might not be different at all.

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

So every single 3rd round linebacker is Duke Riley. Ok. Got it 🥴

I think he represents the level of quality you are going to get in the third round. And he was expected to start here, and Singleton was way, way better than him. So I think you are dead wrong about Singleton, and have facts to back up my opinion.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

I said to win the superbowl  ,not get to it , nobody remembers 2nd place.

And I’m saying it’s because you have Tom Brady who is a freak anomaly. The chances of a 6th round pick winning 7 Super Bowls is way less than 1%. The NFL will go out of existence before that would happen again. 

The way the game is played today ,it makes no sense to not value backers

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hard work ethic is obviously a great trait to have but every player has a talent level they can play up to. Hard work ethic probably gets you their faster too. 

A lot of NFL players don't have great work ethics though. That doesn't mean they can't be good players.

DeSean Jackson has said publicly that he didn't take training seriously in the 1st half of his career. He didn't need to, as he was already running past dudes. Vick said his approach to getting better completely changed with the Eagles.

Just now, jsb235 said:

I think he represents the level of quality you are going to get in the third round. And he was expected to start here, and Singleton was way, way better than him. So I think you are dead wrong about Singleton, and have facts to back up my opinion.

I think given the current salary cap crunch it's likely the Eagles will continue to search the "budget" FA pool for LB help; I'd actually prefer they use draft picks to stock the CB and S positions 

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You're absolutely right.  All you hear about from college/prep coaches are things about his work ethic, his leadership and the kind of guy he is.  I HOPE he can be the quarterback for the Eagles now.  I think he has potential, just not sure what that potential is.  Surround him with a good team and I think he can take the Eagles places.  Make him THE guy and force him to win games then it's not going to happen.

It's hard to do since the trade is so fresh and Carson was the guy but I'm now cheering for and hoping that Hurts is the guy to turn this around.

Name all the QBs who can win games with mediocre talent, Brady did when he was young, not sure he can do it now, Rodgers. Brees couldn't, Mahomes showed in the SB that take away Hill and pressure him, he's no longer Superman. Expect every team to try to do that next season.

The question with Hurts is within the limits of his talent (he's not going to throw 50 yard strikes across his body) can Sirianni create an offense where he can excel, and does Hurts have the skill and IQ to make that scheme work? He did step right in at Oklahoma as a transfer and run that offense almost as well as two #1 draft picks in Mayfield and Murray. He's got a nice touch on his long ball, can he anticipate and hit guys in stride instead of having to throw a laser to an open receiver like Vick and McNabb?

We know if he fails, it's not because he's a "Haskins," he'll put the work in, and won't throw his teammates under the bus.

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

The way the game is played today ,it makes no sense to not value backers

Tampa Bay showed in the Super Bowl yet again how important linebackers are.  They just get it all the way back to Hardy Nickerson and Derrick Brooks.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Name all the QBs who can win games with mediocre talent, Brady did when he was young, not sure he can do it now, Rodgers. Brees couldn't, Mahomes showed in the SB that take away Hill and pressure him, he's no longer Superman. Expect every team to try to do that next season.

The question with Hurts is within the limits of his talent (he's not going to throw 50 yard strikes across his body) can Sirianni create an offense where he can excel, and does Hurts have the skill and IQ to make that scheme work? He did step right in at Oklahoma as a transfer and run that offense almost as well as two #1 draft picks in Mayfield and Murray. He's got a nice touch on his long ball, can he anticipate and hit guys in stride instead of having to throw a laser to an open receiver like Vick and McNabb?

We know if he fails, it's not because he's a "Haskins," he'll put the work in, and won't throw his teammates under the bus.

The Eagles tried to make Carson win with mediocre talent...