7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I laugh at the national media's narrative in favor of Desean Watson.  According to them, he's never had any WR help, BOB destroyed the entire team (actually I agree with this one), he has no OL, and he has to run for his life on every down.  Multiply their offensive woes and coaching ineptitude x5, and you have the Philadelphia Eagles.  That includes with an interim coach for over half the season.  

In fairness his offensive line is still not very good and they wasted draft picks to make it below average.

to me Bill O’Brien was not horrible as a head coach. Was he great? No far from it. But was he awful? No. Where Bill O’Brien was awful was at being a general manager. He had way too much power and destroyed that team‘s future by trading away the picks that he had for marginal talent. I don’t think Bill O’Brien was some god-awful coach. He got that team to the playoffs multiple times with less than stellar quarterbacks before watson. His biggest issue was being general manager and making some of the dumbest decisions ever. Like If you would’ve told me you were going to trade DeAndre Hopkins and get a boatload of picks for him then reasonably I could understand doing that. Would I do it? No but if you got more than what the Vikings did for Stefon Diggs at least Wrap my head around that. However he traded him for a second round pick and a washed up running back owed a lot of money. And the Tunsil trade was even dumber. He’s not that great of a left tackle. You were better off just drafting one and developing him instead of having to pay in terms of draft picks and give him a new contract that’s paying him like he’s a top left tackle in the week and I don’t even think he’s top 5-7 in the league 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's not much of a point in firing Doug this year at this point. All other 6 teams have interviewed multiple candidates already. Eagles would be so behind the eight ball they would have to settle for someone.

The fact that it wouldn't make much sense to fire him at this point makes me think it could still happen, but only after the other 6 teams have solidified their HC situations.  

Thanks for LII, Jim. 

5 minutes ago, hputenis said:

The fact that it wouldn't make much sense to fire him at this point makes me think it could still happen, but only after the other 6 teams have solidified their HC situations.  

Also under the assumption the Eagles would be just OK hiring Duce Staley to be the head coach. Don’t need a whole bunch of candidates if that’s the plan you’re going with as i don’t see him getting a HC job this year.

I also wouldn’t be so surprised if the coach the Eagles would look at if they fire doug (not saying this year but in general) is not in the NFL. I think Lincoln Riley makes a ton of sense if the Eagles believe Jalen hurts is the future or wentz is traded. 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there are always potential coaches that would want the job with Howie for a number of reasons. First, they may not want to deal with cap issues or trades.  As long as they get to bring in their own personnel/scouting people they are getting the support they need.  They could also believe there's less risk with Howie.  I don't know how Lurie is as an owner but I wonder if Howie is viewed as a healthy buffer between the coach and owner.  I feel like Howie is hitching his wagon to Doug at this point.   I believe Lurie is likely to get rid of him but I certainly don't think it's as certain as Lurie firing Doug.  

Well.. I've been railing against Howie's management of the cap and trades, so I don't believe he's necessarily the best option to handle those things... and he's always seemed to increase his influence in regards to all moves, so I'd feel better with him just cut out entirely.

Cap issues... so we can end up with tons of dead money on the cap in future years for players who aren't producing anymore?  

Trades... so we can add another Golden Tate or Gerard Avery?   No thanks.

 

I just want a real GM, and a real HC.  Maybe that's too much to ask for.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

situational QB?  🤦‍♂️

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Didn't like his defense besides the Dline

If it's true that he's been dealing with health issues then it's probably a good idea to take a break

Good luck to him

13 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I laugh at the national media's narrative in favor of Desean Watson.  According to them, he's never had any WR help, BOB destroyed the entire team (actually I agree with this one), he has no OL, and he has to run for his life on every down.  Multiply their offensive woes and coaching ineptitude x5, and you have the Philadelphia Eagles.  That includes with an interim coach for over half the season.  

Deandre Hopkins = no WR help?   

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't like his defense besides the Dline

If it's true that he's been dealing with health issues then it's probably a good idea to take a break

Good luck to him

I’m curious to see how long he’s out of the game for. Like in four months if goes somewhere else and is a coach then it tells me this was just a big farce that they were trying not to make Schwartz look worse by just letting his contract expire and moving on. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Thanks for LII, Jim. 

"I am willing to do anything I can to help this organization in any way."

🤔

 

 

Is he willing to take on a contract for a hit on Howie and Doug?

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Deandre Hopkins = no WR help?   

Even without Hopkins, will fuller when healthy has been good. He just gets hurt a lot except this year until he got suspended. And brandin cooks got railed on last offseason about concussions being the end and his high priced contract (rightfully so at that time) but he’s played 7 seasons and 5 of them he’s gone over  1080 yards and 6 tds 

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't like his defense besides the Dline

If it's true that he's been dealing with health issues then it's probably a good idea to take a break

Good luck to him

Was he?  I didn't know that.  That sucks.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Thanks for LII, Jim. 

Man, I got all excited to see the official Eagles statement graphic.  We knew this was happening, thought it was something bigger. 

Now, bring in an outsider with fresh, new, innovative ideas, please don't promote from within.

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Very valid point that I agree with.  So...is Lurie just a coward?

Wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. Anyone by now would have fired Howie. Poor cap management and drafting.  Going against the scouts who are helping you.. what happens behind team and FO doors cant be that good and has been going on since the  2016 i believe.  This is all speculation and opinion,  but I think Howie is another Bill O'Brien, Chip Kelly himself. Which ppl have been fired for much less in this league.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Even without Hopkins, will fuller when healthy has been good. He just gets hurt a lot except this year until he got suspended. And brandin cooks got railed on last offseason about concussions being the end (rightfully so at that time) but he’s played 7 seasons and 5 of them he’s gone over  1080 and 6 tds in 5 of those seasons. 

Point is... when someone has DHop... you can't pretend that they had no help at WR, even if every other WR they had was JJAW.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Was he?  I didn't know that.  That sucks.

Broadcasters mentioned it during the last game

Just now, bpac55 said:

Man, I got all excited to see the official Eagles statement graphic.  We knew this was happening, thought it was something bigger. 

Now, bring in an outsider with fresh, new, innovative ideas, please don't promote from within.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Point is... when someone has DHop... you can't pretend that they had no help at WR, even if every other WR they had was JJAW.

Oh i don’t disagree. Their problem has never been wide receiver. Their problem was Bill O’Brien made stupid move after stupid move as the general manager. And somehow they let their offensive line get to the point of where it was the worst in the league and then compounded that by trading picks away for offensive lineman who only made it below average

just thinking about this you could view the eagles WR situation and their attempts to fix it similarly to the texans trying to fix their OLine. Both organizations have made bad move after bad move at those two positions and try to use draft capital failed to fix it. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Broadcasters mentioned it during the last game

I wasn't listening to them very closely.   What did they say?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wasn't listening to them very closely.   What did they say?

I think they said he had 2 surgeries but I can't remember

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wasn't listening to them very closely.   What did they say?

I posted something last week saying he had hip and eye surgeries. 

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Man, I got all excited to see the official Eagles statement graphic.  We knew this was happening, thought it was something bigger. 

Now, bring in an outsider with fresh, new, innovative ideas, please don't promote from within.

Cory Undlin should be looking for a job soon. Would be such a Howie move lol.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, the Butler experiment has definitely worked out well so far.

 

Yes, the Eagles often do have good TEs.  But, generally they were all TEs in college.  Trey Burton is the only one I can think of that I'd call successful as a conversion.  And even at that, he was the #3.

You're talking about taking a great athlete to camp and see if he can make the transition to H-back. The obvious candidates are big WRs and athletic QBs.  Greg Ward?

Same way they take DL and try to turn them into OL.

You have 90 roster spots going into camp, why wouldn't you use a few on athletic projects rather than marginal prospects?

Jackson ran a 4.59 at 6'7 249, 34" vertical, and as a QB understands routes and should have good hands.

The reason you see these guys try to make this transition in their 2nd or 3rd year is that many don't want to give up the dream of playing QB until it's obvious they have no shot.

Just now, manz2821 said:

Cory Undlin should be looking for a job soon. Would be such a Howie move lol.

Someone needs to come up with the most Howie Roseman off-season for the Philadelphia Eagles.

So with Schwartz officially gone plus the search for an OC, this sets up an interesting choice for Doug. 

Does Doug move to more of a CEO type and oversees the whole team? Does he want more say on defense? 

If he wants to keep the DC a HC of the defense position, would he give that to an inexperienced a first-time DC? If not, does that mean we need a veteran DC like Phillips, Bradley, Lewis, etc?

56 minutes ago, RLC said:

We saw Logan Thomas crush us and got jealous.

The other production line in the QB factory...