2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles might still have a philosophy against valuing LB highly because that seems to be Howie's philosophy.  We will see at the draft how much Sirianni and Gannon have influence in the players drafted -- both in terms of position and physical traits.  It might be quite a bit different than the previous 5 drafts; it might not be different at all.

 

Just now, Original Sin said:

The way the game is played today ,it makes no sense to not value backers

That had much more to do with Schwartz' system, than anything else, imo.  The majority of Schwartz' schemes involved only 2 LB's on most defensive snaps and half the time, a safety would play the LB position.   That's why they valued safeties/DB's over LB's over the last several years, imo.  If Gannon values/plays LB's on a greater % of snaps and they are center pieces of his schemes, I would  assume they will start looking and placing a greater value on LB's.  Remains to be seen, imo.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Tampa Bay showed in the Super Bowl yet again how important linebackers are.  They just get it all the way back to Hardy Nickerson and Derrick Brooks.

And yet, when KC had two healthy tackles, they beat TB.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles might still have a philosophy against valuing LB highly because that seems to be Howie's philosophy.  We will see at the draft how much Sirianni and Gannon have influence in the players drafted -- both in terms of position and physical traits.  It might be quite a bit different than the previous 5 drafts; it might not be different at all.

I doubt that's Howie's philosophy, he got Bradham.

I think that was Schwartz's philosophy, DL uber alles.

I think Howie's "philosophy" is more about where you can draft value for different positions, that is, coaches give him a wish list then he tries to stretch his budget when grocery shopping.

Gannon is going to have a different list than Schwartz. I can see a 3 down LB if one is available, with Edwards and Singleton playing run downs, and Bradley or Taylor as a nickel LB with the draft pick.

But all these mock drafts are silly, the actual draft is always unpredictable, trades, reaches by teams, different evaluations. And trades require two to tango, sometimes there ain't no buyers.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

We know if he fails, it's not because he's a "Haskins," he'll put the work in, and won't throw his teammates under the bus.

Who TF has ever compared Hurts to Haskins? If anyone in here has, shame on you. Sheesh, not every black QB from a winning program is the same person.

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

And yet, when KC had two healthy tackles, they beat TB.

What's that have to do with how well Devin White and LaVonte David played?  

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He was considered "developmental", possibly a 2nd year starter coming into the league.  He started 4 games, without a pre-season and limited camp (absolutely crucial for rookie QB's) and still played well during those 4 starts.  Despite showing flaws, what he did in those 4 starts is beyond impressive for a rookie QB who did not have a pre-season to prepare/learn and who came in and started when 50% of the offensive starters were out/hurt.

No, I don't consider him even close to "maxed out". He's just getting started, imo.

 

Fair enough, I just don’t think it’s so definitive. Not every developmental player actually develops. Tim Tebow peaked at the beginning of his career and never got better and I wouldn’t question his work ethic. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Tampa Bay showed in the Super Bowl yet again how important linebackers are.  They just get it all the way back to Hardy Nickerson and Derrick Brooks.

The Eagles tried to make Carson win with mediocre talent...

 Not sure how much blame was Doug v Wentz, horrible scheme when your OL is in taters, horrible execution by a QB who wouldn't throw a ball away.

Belichick adjusted his scheme to his personnel, when he lacked offensive talent it was dink and dunk and run the ball, when he upgraded the OL and added Moss, it was bombs away. Brady ran both to perfection and he can't run a lick.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Fair enough, I just don’t think it’s so definitive. Not every developmental player actually develops. Tim Tebow peaked at the beginning of his career and never got better and I wouldn’t question his work ethic. 

Tebow is a horrible comp, he was never more than a backup QB at best. He was a fullback playing QB.

Dak is a much better comp for Hurts, does not have elite QB skills but maximizes the skills he has. But it also helps that he had a lot of talent in Dallas.

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

And yet, when KC had two healthy tackles, they beat TB.

2 tackles werent helping them ,we arent talking about a close game , bucs  beat them every which way both sides of the ball ,bucs were without their starting RG

Saints beat bucs twice this year  ,but lost in playoffs. Bucs improved as year went on ,new qb in new system .

Bucs will be better next year , when brady has more time in new offense .

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Tebow is a horrible comp, he was never more than a backup QB at best. He was a fullback playing QB.

Dak is a much better comp for Hurts, does not have elite QB skills but maximizes the skills he has. But it also helps that he had a lot of talent in Dallas.

Nobody is comparing player vs player. If you want to interject then keep up with what’s actually being said. 

Just now, austinfan said:

 Not sure how much blame was Doug v Wentz, horrible scheme when your OL is in taters, horrible execution by a QB who wouldn't throw a ball away.

Belichick adjusted his scheme to his personnel, when he lacked offensive talent it was dink and dunk and run the ball, when he upgraded the OL and added Moss, it was bombs away. Brady ran both to perfection and he can't run a lick.

2019 Carson was throwing to Greg Ward, Robert Davis, Deonta Burnett, dropping babies Nelson, JJAW, Alex Ellis, Josh Perkins, Dick Rod, Ertz and DG.

They could have signed Robbie Anderson, drafted Justin Jefferson and then some.  Instead they took Reagor (I'm still hopeful) and invested a 5th and 6th in Hightower and Watkins.

That's hardly surrounding Carson with weapons.

I do agree the playcalling did him no favors. 

And kc wasnt without 2 tackles , they chose to flip remmers from rt to lt .

If the Eagles are committing to Hurts for the foreseeable future I'd be quite surprised if their 1st round pick isn't a weapon to help him -- such as Smith, Chase, or Pitts.  Doesn't have to be at #6; they could trade back to at least #9 and still have one or more available.  Jeffery and Jackson gone creates 2 new starting WR spots; Ertz gone would create a TE spot.

I do like Pitts a lot, but I have to say that Freiermuth kid out of PSU looks intriguing.

 

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

And you know this how? 
 

Unless I’m misinterpreting your definitions of "maxed out”, I don’t think anyone can say one way or the other.

He was a rookie without a real offseason. He’ll obviously improve in many aspects, but will those improvements be enough to be a legit starting QB or to improve production while teams get more film on him? I’m not so sure. 

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

You know that for a fact?

I didn't think so.

Yes I do know that for a fact.  It was a very nice statement.  Wish him the best!!

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If the Eagles are committing to Hurts for the foreseeable future I'd be quite surprised if their 1st round pick isn't a weapon to help him -- such as Smith, Chase, or Pitts.  Doesn't have to be at #6; they could trade back to at least #9 and still have one or more available.  Jeffery and Jackson gone creates 2 new starting WR spots; Ertz gone would create a TE spot.

I do like Pitts a lot, but I have to say that Freiermuth kid out of PSU looks intriguing.

 

We need a Penn State first and second round. Parsons and Freiermuth.

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

 

I have a feeling the "Lance love" is coming from Wentz fans from North Dakota/Bison fans that are now Eagles fans but since Wentz is gone, they now want another Bison QB.  Just a guess.

 

 

If the first purchase fails, then Bison more?

41 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think he represents the level of quality you are going to get in the third round. And he was expected to start here, and Singleton was way, way better than him. So I think you are dead wrong about Singleton, and have facts to back up my opinion.

Singleton is the tallest midget in our LB circus. 

30 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Who TF has ever compared Hurts to Haskins? If anyone in here has, shame on you. Sheesh, not every black QB from a winning program is the same person.

It amazes me that because the comparison includes black that you think it's what was eluded to. It's about work ethic - that's the comparison - in this instance the skin color was just coincidental.

41 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

The way the game is played today ,it makes no sense to not value backers

I wanted Queen last year in round 1. Another Howie mistake... He would have been a great starting point on rebuilding the position. 

8 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

If Howie drafts a QB at #6 (not that I think it’s the worst idea, given what he’s left us with) I would still want the media’s first 5 questions to be:

1) How did you screw up these past 2 years so badly that your entire coaching staff and franchise QB are gone in exchange for two draft picks?

2-5) Same question as #1

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Lance is bigger, stronger, faster than Hurts — and has a much better arm 

 Lance is above guys like Trask and Mac Jones because of his arm and overall raw talent. His mechanics are nearly flawless, he has that Chase Utley compact swing throwing motion, rare for a right handed QB. 
 All the reports on Lance say he’s every bit Mahomes/Allen arm talent.  The kid though is probably a bit more of a project than Wilson or Fields, maybe even more than Trask and Jones  but his ceiling is far higher than the other four. 
 
If Fields is stuck with " he’s a typical Ohio State guy”, then Jones should be stuck with the same, it’s not like Alabama has put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler.  Fields is more of an NFL QB than a college one, he isn’t Haskins and it’s not close, he’ll be a good NFL QB, just maybe not a great one. 
 I know you didn’t mention Fields, but he does get a bad rap because of where he played, and who came right before him, if there’s an issue with him it should be why he left GA, not his talent. 

35 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Fair enough, I just don’t think it’s so definitive. Not every developmental player actually develops. Tim Tebow peaked at the beginning of his career and never got better and I wouldn’t question his work ethic. 

I agree.  The majority (more than half of) "developmental QB's" don't develop.  Even 1st round pick QB's with pedigree only have about a 50% success rate in the NFL. (If even that much after 4-5 years).   

That said, Hurts has already shown enough to deserve and warrant an opportunity to compete for the starting QB position in Philadelphia.  He will have a full camp and pre-season to prepare/learn and we should see improvement in his 2nd year.  If not, then maybe it's time to start looking for a QB.  But at this point, that's putting the cart in front of the horse, imo.

The Eagles have the luxury of "waiting and seeing" what happens with Hurts in 2021 and don't need to (nor should they) sacrifice a high pick on a QB when the team is in desperate need of a "youth movement." in almost every other position on the roster.   

If they want to use a 3rd round pick on a guy like Kyle Trask who is a developmental pocket passer (different type of QB than Hurts) then that would make sense, especially if they haven't solidified the backup QB position by then.   Other than that, there would be little reason to use a draft pick on a QB this year, imo.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

If Howie drafts a QB at #6 (not that I think it’s the worst idea, given what he’s left us with) I would still want the media’s first 5 questions to be:

1) How did you screw up these past 2 years so badly that your entire coaching staff and franchise QB are gone in exchange for two draft picks?

2-5) Same question as #1

His answer:

"QB Factoryyyyy Babyyyyy!"