1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

 Lance is above guys like Trask and Mac Jones because of his arm and overall raw talent. His mechanics are nearly flawless, he has that Chase Utley compact swing throwing motion, rare for a right handed QB. 
 All the reports on Lance say he’s every bit Mahomes/Allen arm talent.  The kid though is probably a bit more of a project than Wilson or Fields, maybe even more than Trask and Jones  but his ceiling is far higher than the other four. 
 
If Fields is stuck with " he’s a typical Ohio State guy”, then Jones should be stuck with the same, it’s not like Alabama has put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler.  Fields is more of an NFL QB than a college one, he isn’t Haskins and it’s not close, he’ll be a good NFL QB, just maybe not a great one. 
 I know you didn’t mention Fields, but he does get a bad rap because of where he played, and who came right before him, if there’s an issue with him it should be why he left GA, not his talent. 

I’m higher on Lance than Fields; I would draft a franchise QB based on upside, and I think Lance’s is higher.

Fields and Lawrence are certainly the most "pro ready” QB prospects, but Fields looks slow in his progressions and very inconsistent — but then I also said Lamar Jackson wasn’t a first round QB prospect and he won an MVP quickly.

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

 Lance is above guys like Trask and Mac Jones because of his arm and overall raw talent. His mechanics are nearly flawless, he has that Chase Utley compact swing throwing motion, rare for a right handed QB. 
 All the reports on Lance say he’s every bit Mahomes/Allen arm talent.  The kid though is probably a bit more of a project than Wilson or Fields, maybe even more than Trask and Jones  but his ceiling is far higher than the other four. 
 
If Fields is stuck with " he’s a typical Ohio State guy”, then Jones should be stuck with the same, it’s not like Alabama has put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler.  Fields is more of an NFL QB than a college one, he isn’t Haskins and it’s not close, he’ll be a good NFL QB, just maybe not a great one. 
 I know you didn’t mention Fields, but he does get a bad rap because of where he played, and who came right before him, if there’s an issue with him it should be why he left GA, not his talent. 

The difference is that Jones will be a 2nd round pick, maybe if he is lucky a late first which is more of the range. Fields some team will be dumb enough to take in the top half of the first. 

Fields might go onto having a good career, problem we dont have that luxury in the next few drafts to take a big potential/bust factor player in the first round. Our next two drafts need to produce players that have more of a NFL ready now quality. None of the QBs in this draft have that and we can not take that chance when we have a player we drafted in the 2nd round last year that has just as much success probability of all the Qbs in this draft minus Trevor. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m higher on Lance than Fields; I would draft a franchise QB based on upside, and I think Lance’s is higher.

Fields and Lawrence are certainly the most "pro ready” QB prospects, but Fields looks slow in his progressions and very inconsistent — but then I also said Lamar Jackson wasn’t a first round QB prospect and he won an MVP quickly.

TBH, Lawrence and Wilson are the only two I would consider near 90% or better chances of success at the NFL level.  Fields is around 70%.    The rest are a crap shoot, imo. 

Lance is by far the "most raw" out of any of the top 5 QB prospects, imo.  Mac Jones is more NFL ready than Lance is at this point, imo.  Lance could have a "higher ceiling" than some of the others but that remains to be seen. 

If we are going for franchise QB wait till next year and get Rattler, punchable face yea, but Mahomes JR. playmaking skill.

Can use the Colts pick plus our first to move to get him. Cause let’s face it we are going to be picking top 10 again next season. 

Howie will take Trask at 38

 

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The difference is that Jones will be a 2nd round pick, maybe if he is lucky a late first which is more of the range. Fields some team will be dumb enough to take in the top half of the first. 

Fields might go onto having a good career, problem we dont have that luxury in the next few drafts to take a big potential/bust factor player in the first round. Our next two drafts need to produce players that have more of a NFL ready now quality. None of the QBs in this draft have that and we can not take that chance when we have a player we drafted in the 2nd round last year that has just as much success probability of all the Qbs in this draft minus Trevor. 

I don’t think they have to draft a QB yet, that’s on Howie, I think Wilson has better NFL talent than Hurts, but it’s a crapshoot really. Wilson didn’t play against the talent Hurts did, and I think Hurts should get a shot. In terms of dealing with adversity, he’s farther along than Wentz in that category.  

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m higher on Lance than Fields; I would draft a franchise QB based on upside, and I think Lance’s is higher.

Fields and Lawrence are certainly the most "pro ready” QB prospects, but Fields looks slow in his progressions and very inconsistent — but then I also said Lamar Jackson wasn’t a first round QB prospect and he won an MVP quickly.

 He is, but he did actually go through them, which is a lot more than you can say about Haskins.   Lamar has a year or two left before he gets wrecked like every running QB eventually does, but he is better than most people thought, so is his passing which is a bit underrated, but that’s also why he was successful.  

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

TBH, Lawrence and Wilson are the only two I would consider near 90% or better chances of success at the NFL level.  Fields is around 70%.    The rest are a crap shoot, imo. 

Lance is by far the "most raw" out of any of the top 5 QB prospects, imo.  Mac Jones is more NFL ready than Lance is at this point, imo.  Lance could have a "higher ceiling" than some of the others but that remains to be seen. 

I don’t worry too much about being NFL ready; none of these guys should be starting in 2021 with the exception of Lawrence.  
 

I would prefer the Eagles build the roster first, then draft the QB.  If they’re sitting at #6 and Wilson or Lance is on the board and Howie/Lurie decide to draft them, my preference would be they develop for a season while Hurts starts.  Trading up for a QB would be the worst option, IMO.  The team needs a good influx of young players first, then a QB afterward.  Howie might feel, though, with two 1st round picks in 2022 (Wentz will be the starter in IND for the full season in 2021), that he has the luxury now to draft QB — or his advance scouts have told him 2022 is a bad QB class

I think Wilson and Lance have the highest upside and I would wait one — even two years — if the coaches are confident they can get it.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie will take Trask at 38

Well, in fairness, after the first 5 guys, he's the only one left so he could go in the late 2nd round...which wouldn't be "horrible" imo...especially if they think they can develop him.  #38 would be too high but if they end up with a late 2nd rounder/early 3rd rounder...between 50-75 that would be "ok" imo.    Trask will likely go somewhere between 50-75, imo.  He's got the size, the arm strength and had a great year in 2020.  That's hard for just about any team that needs a backup or developmental QB to pass up, past the late 2nd or early 3rd rounds.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie will take Trask at 38

So we found our cheap backup QB?

If they draft a quarterback this year they are essentially saying screw the 2nd round.  Jalen Hurts, JJAW, Sidney Jones.  Yes, they drafted DG and Miles Sanders but DG but let's see what happens with both of them now too.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

That's gold.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So we found our cheap backup QB?

Not at 38 but wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. 

Trask is a 6'5, 240 lb pocket passer, solid arm and really came into his own in 2020. Passed for 4283 yards, 68% comp, 43 TD's,  8 int, in only 12 games.    Granted, he had a plethora of talent around him, those are some serious numbers for any college QB. 

25 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If we are going for franchise QB wait till next year and get Rattler, punchable face yea, but Mahomes JR. playmaking skill.

Can use the Colts pick plus our first to move to get him. Cause let’s face it we are going to be picking top 10 again next season. 

NFC East Champs coming up.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So we found our cheap backup QB?

Yes but we need a cheap third stringer too so pencil Mond somewhere in there 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes but we need a cheap third stringer too so pencil Mond somewhere in there 

Might as well just take a QB in every round to make sure they find a QB. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Not at 38 but wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. 

Trask is a 6'5, 240 lb pocket passer, solid arm and really came into his own in 2020. Passed for 4283 yards, 68% comp, 43 TD's,  8 int, in only 12 games.    Granted, he had a plethora of talent around him, those are some serious numbers for any college QB. 

And we have his QB coach. They might look at him in the 3rd rd.

With four coaches with QB coaching experience, I don't think they'll reach, every college QB will be analyzed in detail. They should have an idea which QBs might be coached up.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Might as well just take a QB in every round to make sure they find a QB. 

The QB competition/controversy to end all QB competition/controversies. I’m in.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The QB competition/controversy to end all QB competition/controversies. I’m in.

It’s genius in that whoever loses out they just trade to get compensation back. 

56 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Lance is above guys like Trask and Mac Jones because of his arm and overall raw talent. His mechanics are nearly flawless, he has that Chase Utley compact swing throwing motion, rare for a right handed QB. 
 All the reports on Lance say he’s every bit Mahomes/Allen arm talent.  The kid though is probably a bit more of a project than Wilson or Fields, maybe even more than Trask and Jones  but his ceiling is far higher than the other four. 
 
If Fields is stuck with " he’s a typical Ohio State guy”, then Jones should be stuck with the same, it’s not like Alabama has put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler.  Fields is more of an NFL QB than a college one, he isn’t Haskins and it’s not close, he’ll be a good NFL QB, just maybe not a great one. 
 I know you didn’t mention Fields, but he does get a bad rap because of where he played, and who came right before him, if there’s an issue with him it should be why he left GA, not his talent. 

Our current starting qb is sort of an Alabama qb.  Well, if he stayed at Alabama, he’d be a TE on someone’s practice squad right now.

I'm not overly familiar with most college prospects so I usually start looking into them and watching what I can on them. I'm starting with Trey Lance. My goodness, he's got a freakin cannon and a fast, effortless throwing motion. From what I've seen he's a throw first QB, using his mobility to move around the pocket and break it when he needs to but not just reading and running. His accuracy could use some work, but so far he seems like he has almost all the physical tools. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If they draft a quarterback this year they are essentially saying screw the 2nd round.  Jalen Hurts, JJAW, Sidney Jones.  Yes, they drafted DG and Miles Sanders but DG but let's see what happens with both of them now too.

It is going to be absolutely stunning if Howie takes a QB.  He'd have to park his ego and admit that his fascination that Hurts is Russell Wilson II is just wrong.  I just can't see it...even though drafting a QB should be on the table.

9 minutes ago, Solomon said:

I'm not overly familiar with most college prospects so I usually start looking into them and watching what I can on them. I'm starting with Trey Lance. My goodness, he's got a freakin cannon and a fast, effortless throwing motion. From what I've seen he's a throw first QB, using his mobility to move around the pocket and break it when he needs to but not just reading and running. His accuracy could use some work, but so far he seems like he has almost all the physical tools. 

I really liked this breakdown from former USC QB Max Browne. He goes in great detail about the good and the not so good very well.

 

42 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

TBH, Lawrence and Wilson are the only two I would consider near 90% or better chances of success at the NFL level.  Fields is around 70%.    The rest are a crap shoot, imo. 

Lance is by far the "most raw" out of any of the top 5 QB prospects, imo.  Mac Jones is more NFL ready than Lance is at this point, imo.  Lance could have a "higher ceiling" than some of the others but that remains to be seen. 

11 of 20 QBs taken in the top 10 flopped the last decade, the 21st was Watson #12, 22nd Haskins #15. Maybe you call Goff "in-between," had some nice seasons before melting down.

Of the 9, 2 are hits (Mahomes, Luck), 4 are maybe, Mayfield, Murray, Hebert, Allen (Wentz looked like a hit early, then . . .) and 3 are in-between, Wentz, Newton, Tannehill.

So the Eagles did OK with Wentz, got more from him than the majority of QBs taken that early. But shows how risky it is.

However, QBs taken #15-100:  Wilson, Carr, Dalton, Bridgewater are about it. The rest are either backups (Foles et al) or total waste. 

Cousins #102, Prescott #135 are the other top 20 QBs.

11 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

It is going to be absolutely stunning if Howie takes a QB.  He'd have to park his ego and admit that his fascination that Hurts is Russell Wilson II is just wrong.  I just can't see it...even though drafting a QB should be on the table.

Howie would just use the same talking points about valuing the QB position, need to have 2 good QBs in this league, asset to trade later, etc.