4 hours ago, John_C said:

I don’t see it as innuendo.  By any measure, the Eagles personnel moves since 2017 have been a total failure.  The person in charge is still there.  No one has been fired. Whoever made the JJAW>DK and Reagor>Jefferson decisions is still there.  I don’t see the need to rehash how bad the personnel side has been handled for four years.   I’ve stated the different areas as have many others.  Very little talent here to go with a league worst cap situation.  Multiple blown drafts. The Wentz implosion and result would be fireable in any situation, but then again no owner or GM would have done what they did in round 2 last year either.

You are right, the moves in 2016 to divest the team of bad Chip players and contracts (Maxwell, Shakiko, Murray) and the evaluation and trade up for Wentz deserve credit.  I had thought at that time, maybe the year in the closet worked.  Then obviously they won the SB the next year.  I was there to hear what Kelce said about Howie in his speech.  After many prior questionable decisions and statements, my faith in the owner and GM were fully restored.

No one could have possibly anticipated how badly they have done since that speech.

I have a friend who has a very wise word on how to accept praise... Taste it, don't swallow it. 

 

Howie swallowed it all... and started to act like every move he would make would work out.  His moves changed, they were not the same low risk, high reward moves that led to 2017, but were just the opposite, high risk, low reward moves... like Genard Avery, Golden Tate, Darius Slay, Desean Jackson, restructure Alshon.   All terrible moves in their own right, but even worse when all clumped together.    

Howie got caught in hubris.  And he hasn't been held accountable.

12 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I really liked this breakdown from former USC QB Max Browne. He goes in great detail about the good and the not so good very well.

 

I still don't see it.  For a highlight reel, all I'm seeing is a QB who is taking way too long to see the field/his open receivers.  Some of those plays look great but he's hitting his receivers way too late, well after they're wide open, without anyone within 10 yards of them, in some cases.   And his accuracy is abysmal in those clips.   That won't fly in the NFL.

48 minutes ago, Solomon said:

I'm not overly familiar with most college prospects so I usually start looking into them and watching what I can on them. I'm starting with Trey Lance. My goodness, he's got a freakin cannon and a fast, effortless throwing motion. From what I've seen he's a throw first QB, using his mobility to move around the pocket and break it when he needs to but not just reading and running. His accuracy could use some work, but so far he seems like he has almost all the physical tools. 

I said this about a month ago and i still believe it that some draft analysts leading up to the draft is going to compare him to mahomes.  I firmly believe that’ll happen due to his physical tools he possesses. (Let me re-iterate I do not think that’s a good comparison!)

i like Lance. If you asked me which of the 3 QBs after Lawrence has the highest ceiling i think it’s Lance.  he’s raw and you have a ton to work with. However I’d also argue he has the lowest floor of the 3. I think his ceiling and floor is similar to what josh allen was coming out in that draft. I loved Allen but out of the four QBs that year imo he had the highest ceiling but the lowest floor and potential bust (Rosen actually is the biggest bust but i thought he be a bust anyway based off what some Arizona coaches told me). If he (Allen) got his accuracy to be competent (along with improving going through progressions) he’d be a great player cause of his physical tools. That’s why you saw the leap you did this year. There’s star potential for Lance cause of those physical tools but the floor is huge bust potential cause i think stepping up to another level is tough, has some accuracy concerns and like most young QBs learning to be better with progressions. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said this about a month ago and i still believe it that some draft analysts leading up to the draft is going to compare him to mahomes.  I firmly believe that’ll happen due to his physical tools he possesses. 

i like Lance. If you asked me which of the 3 QBs after Lawrence has the highest ceiling i think it’s Lance.  he’s raw and you have a ton to work with. However I’d also argue he has the lowest floor of the 3. I think his ceiling and floor is similar to what josh allen was coming out in that draft. I loved Allen but out of the four QBs that year imo he had the highest ceiling but the lowest floor and potential bust (Rosen actually is the biggest bust but i thought he be a bust anyway based off what some Arizona coaches told me). If he got his accuracy to be competent he’d be a great player cause of his physical tools. That’s why you saw the leap you did this year. There’s star potential for Lance cause of those physical tools but the floor is huge bust potential cause i think stepping up to another level is tough, has some accuracy concerns and like most young QBs learning to be better with progressions. 

Not sure why, Mahomes was a gunslinger in college, dude was throwing it all over the field with min rushing yards. Lance was the complete oppt. Reminds me more of a Lamar Jackson style player. There college careers were complete oppt. Mahomes had double the passing yards in one season then lances entire college career. Plenty of QBs have had those tools, but not seeing the comparison to them game play wise. I just cant put those two names in the same sentence. 

15 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Not sure why, Mahomes was a gunslinger in college, dude was throwing it all over the field with min rushing yards. Lance was the complete oppt. Reminds me more of a Lamar Jackson style player. There college careers were complete oppt. Plenty of QBs have had those tools, but not seeing the comparison to them game play wise. I just cant put those two names in the same sentence. 

First I never said I would do that. I said i could see draft analyst do that. 

Second because of his physical tools like his arm and ability to keep plays alive they (not me) will use it like how Patrick Mahomes plays for the Chiefs. where he runs around and then uses his big arm to make throws down the field. Never said they compared what they were in college to each other. Because I don’t think they are a very good comparison for what they did in college.

all I am telling you is there will be an analyst some time before the draft or during that will make that comparison to how Mahomes plays with the Chiefs to what they think he can do with those physical tools. Heck ive read more athletic tannehill, Vick when he was with the eagles (Matt Miller), Jeremiah compared him to Andrew luck and Bucky brooks compare him to deshaun watson. In my opinion those four comparisons are all completely different style of QBs. 

What separates Trey Lance from Tyree Jackson who we have on the roster already and are converting to TE?

Lance is nothing like Mahomes,  someone would be foolish to compare the two. Wilson is the comparison to Mahomes.

I still like Mond in rd 3 ,heck he will probably go rd 2.

Or Jones mid to end of rd 1.

Spencer Rattler is the next Mahomes.

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Lance is nothing like Mahomes,  someone would be foolish to compare the two. Wilson is the comparison to Mahomes.

I still like Mond in rd 3 ,heck he will probably go rd 2.

Or Jones mid to end of rd 1.

Do you think lance looks like Andrew luck cause Daniel Jeremiah compared him to that? i don’t see that. So again i could see an analyst making the comp cause that’s what they do and they’ll use his "tool” as the reason to justifying it 

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2020/09/trey-lance-15/

Daniel Jeremiah recently posted an article on Trey Lance and said this about the NDSU QB. 

He reminds me of: Andrew Luck. I know Luck is a little bit bigger, but they are similar athletes and they both played with a maturity beyond their age at the collegiate level. I remember watching Luck run over defenders. I also remember being so impressed with his ability to execute on key plays in every game. I see the same things when I study Lance. More than anything else, these are two guys who exude confidence on the field. They are fearless, but they avoid being reckless. That’s a very delicate balance. Luck was on his way to a Hall of Fame career before shocking the football world and retiring a year ago. I don’t have quite the same grade on Lance, but he could get there with continued growth and development

I can see it some,  luck was just so much more polished at same time in their careers. 

Next year I like Ridder and Slovis and Jayden Daniels 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Do you think lance looks like Andrew luck cause Daniel Jeremiah compared him to that? i don’t see that. So again i could see an analyst making the comp cause that’s what they do and they’ll use his "tool” as the reason to justifying it 

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2020/09/trey-lance-15/

Daniel Jeremiah recently posted an article on Trey Lance and said this about the NDSU QB. 

He reminds me of: Andrew Luck. I know Luck is a little bit bigger, but they are similar athletes and they both played with a maturity beyond their age at the collegiate level. I remember watching Luck run over defenders. I also remember being so impressed with his ability to execute on key plays in every game. I see the same things when I study Lance. More than anything else, these are two guys who exude confidence on the field. They are fearless, but they avoid being reckless. That’s a very delicate balance. Luck was on his way to a Hall of Fame career before shocking the football world and retiring a year ago. I don’t have quite the same grade on Lance, but he could get there with continued growth and development

Andrew Luck was a nearly finished product by the time he entered the NFL.  He was the most NFL ready QB in 10+ years at the time, similar to Lawrence this year.  Even Jeremiah is basically saying he reminds him of "Luck's heart" and running ability...not exactly a "real" comparison, imo.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Spencer Rattler is the next Mahomes.

There is no "next Mahomes". He's a unicorn. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

There is no "next Mahomes". He's a unicorn. 

Wont stop people from using that comp. that was what my point was. 

11 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Andrew Luck was a nearly finished product by the time he entered the NFL.  He was the most NFL ready QB in 10+ years at the time, similar to Lawrence this year.  Even Jeremiah is basically saying he reminds him of "Luck's heart" and running ability...not exactly a "real" comparison, imo.

He’s talked about it in his podcast in the past comparing him to Andrew Luck (not in terms of readiness) it’s why I brought up that excerpt. Brooks compares him to Deshaun Watson in style of play in that article and podcast. To me I don’t think he’s either one of those guys. Or Matt miller’s Vick comp. i don’t think any of those are accurate which goes back to my originally theory some draft analysts is going to make the low hanging fruit of trying to justify his tools to mahomes. 

heck we got the Falcons wire comparing him to Aaron rodgers lol

https://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/16/falcons-trey-lance-nfl-draft-2021/

40 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I still don't see it.  For a highlight reel, all I'm seeing is a QB who is taking way too long to see the field/his open receivers.  Some of those plays look great but he's hitting his receivers way too late, well after they're wide open, without anyone within 10 yards of them, in some cases.   And his accuracy is abysmal in those clips.   That won't fly in the NFL.

I always hesitate with the "see it and zip it" (waiting that extra tick for the WR to get wide open and compensating with putting extra zip on the ball) types at QB. Lance has such high end physical skills too that he'll probably get away with some of that stuff even at the NFL level. He'll need some good coaching to keep him in check while he develops.

That's compounded in my view by the lack of national spotlight, the inexperience, the level of competition. I also wonder -- and I'd be curious to hear about this from folks who've watched 100% of his snaps -- if he's scared to "give his receivers a chance." I'm not gonna kill the dude for throwing 0 INTs because you obviously don't want your QB to throw INTs lol, but being afraid to pull the trigger would be exposed more at the NFL level.

41 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I still don't see it.  For a highlight reel, all I'm seeing is a QB who is taking way too long to see the field/his open receivers.  Some of those plays look great but he's hitting his receivers way too late, well after they're wide open, without anyone within 10 yards of them, in some cases.   And his accuracy is abysmal in those clips.   That won't fly in the NFL.

I don't disagree. I saw plenty of misreads and late throws. I just don't see anything that can't be coached.

Fixed the team, unless you think QB is important or something. 

Mahomes, Watson, Luck, Rodgers, Allen. This kid doesn't have a chance now. If people are throwing those names out there hes going to be the next Jamarcus Russell. Feel bad for the team that drafts him, lol. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s talked about it in his podcast in the past comparing him to Andrew Luck (not in terms of readiness) it’s why I brought up that excerpt. Brooks compares him to Deshaun Watson in style of play in that article and podcast. To me I don’t think he’s either one of those guys. Or Matt miller’s Vick comp. i don’t think any of those are accurate which goes back to my originally theory some draft analysts is going to make the low hanging fruit of trying to justify his tools to mahomes. 

heck we got the Falcons wire comparing him to Aaron rodgers lol

https://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/16/falcons-trey-lance-nfl-draft-2021/

The hype for this kid is crazy and it's become viral over the past two months, to the extent of making him a likely top 10 pick.  (He was a top 20-40 prospect prior).  Like I said earlier, don't underestimate the marketing power of Bison fans. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Mahomes, Watson, Luck, Rodgers, Allen. This kid doesn't have a chance now. If people are throwing those names out there hes going to be the next Jamarcus Russell. Feel bad for the team that drafts him, lol. 

Just to be clear i didn’t compare him to just Allen. I compared his variance of his ceiling to his floor. Meaning i think he has a super higher ceiling but his floor is also of big bust potential. That was how people viewed josh Allen’s stock heading into the draft. Terms of style i wouldn’t make that comp 

So what QB you want at six? I'm liking Wilson. 

Just now, Uscg-green said:

So what QB you want at six? I'm liking Wilson. 

Wilson will be a top 3 pick. 

15 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I realize that none of this is Sirianni's fault.  But the optics are interesting.

The head coach of the team is supposed to be the emperor, the captain of the ship.  Look at all these moves reshaping the foundations of the team from underneath him.  And yet he's silent (not that I really expect him to say anything or have any idea what he should say).

It just creates the impression that this new HC is once again a puppet, almost feels like Jim Carey in that stupid movie "Fun with Dick and Jane."  He gets a promotion just to be the PR fall guy for a company that is going under.

He's got to be thinking "what the heck did I get myself into????????"

More likely he was informed at the interview process that there would be necessary cuts and such due to the cap situation.   All coaches under contract would have interviewed with him and Howie so they had a good idea of what issues might exist with Wentz.  Or it may be that the Eagles recognize that the sixth pick is QB territory and may be willing to draft a Sirianni choice QB.  If Howie is indeed Mr. Consensus, I suspect that to some degree Sirianni is involved in the decision making process.  You don’t come to a team that is over the cap blind to that situation. 

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Sheil is correct.  Prepare for this.

Can forget the stud receivers now.  It’s mostly about Trey Lance and Justin Fields.  Assuming the Jets either get Watson in trade or select Wilson.  If the do trade, we will see who Houston likes best.

You would have to go back a long ways to find a time where the Eagles immediate future looked this bleak.  But hey, let’s let the same people run it back again, cause who cares?  Fans still gonna support.

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

So what QB you want at six? I'm liking Wilson. 

Tough call, by the 6th round we just dont know who will be there still.