1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

So your saying drafting a guy at number 6 who needs to sit because he doesnt know how to play QB yet is a good thing so we can have good draft position in the future in one post. But then saying playing Hurts who doesnt know how to play QB is a bad decision? Im trying to put two and two together here. 

Playing a QB who doesn't know how to play QB, but can rely on his legs to get him out of trouble leads to bad habits and continually relying on his legs rather than his reads.   So, playing a QB too early is a BAD idea.  And if you are going to draft a guy like Lance because you are sold on his potential, you don't sell his potential short by taking the short term gain of a few extra wins in year 1 or even 2.  You take the long view and you let him learn how to play the QB position for real before you turn it over to him.

 

Steve McNair was drafted number 3.  He started 2 games as a rookie.  He started 4 games in his second year.   By the time he was the full time starter, he was in year 3.

Steve Young was traded for by the 49ers, and they rebuilt him.  He got limited playing time, and really learned how to play the QB position.  He didn't become the full-time starter until he was 31.  By that time, he had learned the position behind Montana, been coached up by Walsh and later Seifert.  When he started, he was an All-Pro the first three consecutive seasons, and a Pro Bowler for 7 straight.  

 

With QBs, you have to take the long view.  Some are ready to step in right away, others are not.  And in the case of a guy like Lance sitting... you can also build up the offensive pieces around him, while throwing a sacrificial QB out there to take the lumps, and save the young QB's psyche.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

With QBs, you have to take the long view.  Some are ready to step in right away, others are not.  And in the case of a guy like Lance sitting... you can also build up the offensive pieces around him, while throwing a sacrificial QB out there to take the lumps, and save the young QB's psyche.  

Let's not forget they were going to sit Carson for at least some of his rookie year. It wasn't until Teddy went down and the offer came in for Sammy Sleeves.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh I agree but this is different. That was a team who were making noises about being contenders. This now is a rebuild in every sense. 

You still aren't going to sit talent on the bench.  These are professionals.  They get paid on performance and many of the contracts have bonus $$$ escalators that go outside of their individual position.  If I am a WR with a big bonus for receptions and TDs, I'd be pissed if the worse QB plays? Same for wins and playoffs and pro bowl voting.  Thats money to those guys.  Want to crush culture?

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Let's not forget they were going to sit Carson for at least some of his rookie year. It wasn't until Teddy went down and the offer came in for Sammy Sleeves.

There is definitely wisdom in bringing along a QB slowly, but I think even if they draft Lance with the intent to redshirt him, it won't last. By mid-season, the fans, the media, the whole city will be screaming for the rookie as Hurts most likely will be struggling.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You still aren't going to sit talent on the bench.  These are professionals.  They get paid on performance and many of the contracts have bonus $$$ escalators that go outside of their individual position.  If I am a WR with a big bonus for receptions and TDs, I'd be pissed if the worse QB plays? Same for wins and playoffs and pro bowl voting.  Thats money to those guys.  Want to crush culture?

Good news is that none of the WRs that should be on this team will have much in the way of those bonuses given their draft status.   The WRs should be: Reagor, Fulgham, Hightower, Watkins, Ward or other rookies.  No vets of any kind outside of those.   And none of them have any right to make any noise.  

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Playing a QB who doesn't know how to play QB, but can rely on his legs to get him out of trouble leads to bad habits and continually relying on his legs rather than his reads.   So, playing a QB too early is a BAD idea.  And if you are going to draft a guy like Lance because you are sold on his potential, you don't sell his potential short by taking the short term gain of a few extra wins in year 1 or even 2.  You take the long view and you let him learn how to play the QB position for real before you turn it over to him.

 

Steve McNair was drafted number 3.  He started 2 games as a rookie.  He started 4 games in his second year.   By the time he was the full time starter, he was in year 3.

Steve Young was traded for by the 49ers, and they rebuilt him.  He got limited playing time, and really learned how to play the QB position.  He didn't become the full-time starter until he was 31.  By that time, he had learned the position behind Montana, been coached up by Walsh and later Seifert.  When he started, he was an All-Pro the first three consecutive seasons, and a Pro Bowler for 7 straight.  

 

With QBs, you have to take the long view.  Some are ready to step in right away, others are not.  And in the case of a guy like Lance sitting... you can also build up the offensive pieces around him, while throwing a sacrificial QB out there to take the lumps, and save the young QB's psyche.  

Ok, so you want to waste not 1 but 2 early picks in back to back years of the draft for the possibility that he might be a ok QB in the NFL in 3 years and needs a new contract the next year. This is getting good, lol

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Good news is that none of the WRs that should be on this team will have much in the way of those bonuses given their draft status.   The WRs should be: Reagor, Fulgham, Hightower, Watkins, Ward or other rookies.  No vets of any kind outside of those.   And none of them have any right to make any noise.  

But what if Lane or Brooks or Slay or Kelce or Cox or the Coaches have win and playoff bonuses.  Think they are playing the less talented player?

And that comparison above...sitting behind Montana is a completely different story than sitting behind Jalen Hurts. 

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Jackson has a stronger arm.  

yeah.

If we like Lance we should probably really think about letting Jackson try QB instead. I liked him as a developmental project and he wont cost a #1 pick. 

The salary cap is about to friggin explode.

If Lance fails, does Howie survive for the next franchise qb?

If not, I say draft Lance.  Big upside either way.  Either Lance is the next big thing or Howie gets fired.  Could you make a better investment with the 6th pick?

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

The salary cap is about to friggin explode.

Disney be like 

 

 

Just now, eagle45 said:

If Lance fails, does Howie survive for the next franchise qb?

If not, I say draft Lance.  Big upside either way.  Either Lance is the next big thing or Howie gets fired.  Could you make a better investment with the 6th pick?

Lurie is very loyal to his guys but there came a point where he fired Banner, his lifelong friend. The same will happen if Lance fails, Howie would be gone for sure.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah.

If we like Lance we should probably really think about letting Jackson try QB instead. I liked him as a developmental project and he wont cost a #1 pick. 

From everything I’ve read Lance is miles ahead of Jackson in terms of accuracy. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

From everything I’ve read Lance is miles ahead of Jackson in terms of accuracy. 

Ive read Lance isnt accurate. It seemed to be they have the same strengths and the same weakness. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ive read Lance isnt accurate. It seemed to be they have the same strengths and the same weakness. 

FWIW, this is from Daniel Jeremiah...

"I say this all the time: Do not get caught up in completion percentage when evaluating accuracy. Lance completed nearly 67 percent of his passes, which is impressive, but the tape showed he was even more accurate than that number indicates. His ball placement is excellent. He really trusts his eyes and throws with anticipation, which allows his receivers better opportunities to run after the catch. He can layer the ball in the middle of the field (over linebackers and under safeties) and he excels on bucket throws (deep balls over the top).”

Aren't Howie and Daniel Jeremiah boys? If Daniel is gushing over Lance so bad, Howie can't be far behind.

38 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Playing a QB who doesn't know how to play QB, but can rely on his legs to get him out of trouble leads to bad habits and continually relying on his legs rather than his reads.   So, playing a QB too early is a BAD idea.  And if you are going to draft a guy like Lance because you are sold on his potential, you don't sell his potential short by taking the short term gain of a few extra wins in year 1 or even 2.  You take the long view and you let him learn how to play the QB position for real before you turn it over to him.

 

Steve McNair was drafted number 3.  He started 2 games as a rookie.  He started 4 games in his second year.   By the time he was the full time starter, he was in year 3.

Steve Young was traded for by the 49ers, and they rebuilt him.  He got limited playing time, and really learned how to play the QB position.  He didn't become the full-time starter until he was 31.  By that time, he had learned the position behind Montana, been coached up by Walsh and later Seifert.  When he started, he was an All-Pro the first three consecutive seasons, and a Pro Bowler for 7 straight.  

 

With QBs, you have to take the long view.  Some are ready to step in right away, others are not.  And in the case of a guy like Lance sitting... you can also build up the offensive pieces around him, while throwing a sacrificial QB out there to take the lumps, and save the young QB's psyche.  

While I agree with everything you said, that was than and this is now. Those days of sitting a quarterback to watch from the sidelines and learn are over. Maybe if you have a hall of famer like Rodgers you can get to do that but that's no longer the standard. It's to much of a business now with all of the money involved. This is a win now league and what have you done for me lately. 

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Lance fails, does Howie survive for the next franchise qb?

If not, I say draft Lance.  Big upside either way.  Either Lance is the next big thing or Howie gets fired.  Could you make a better investment with the 6th pick?

I prefer: Lance is the next big thing and Roseman gets fired.

56 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Probably.  When is LSU's pro-day?

I think we should have a pinned topic that tracks all the pro-days.  Would be nice to have it all in one place to reference stuff.

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

If only for the PR, I'm still stunned that Wentz never made this a focus in the off-season. 

I'd like to see what Hurts can do with a full off-season. If he's bad, move on in 2022. 

 

WRs currently on the roster: Reagor, JJAW, Fulgham, Watkins, Hightower, Ward.

I don't get why we'd add Goodwin unless he's taking one of the spots from Watkins/Hightower. 

41 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

From everything I’ve read Lance is miles ahead of Jackson in terms of accuracy. 

Considering one of them is going to be drafted to the NFL in the 1st round and the other was drafted to the XFL in the 9th round to back up Cardale Jones, I’d say there is a pretty wide gap in terms of talent, and accuracy. Plus Jackson’s release may be slightly quicker than Tebow’s, which  means you have time to get a beer while he throws, you just can’t pay for it.  Tebows, you can do it all. 

For me, Goodwin would be a vet minimum deal, with game day incentives if he makes the roster.  There is no incentive to give him a guaranteed salary