Bucs had a losing culture and mentality, almost 2 decades straight of it  , he changed that in 1 year. No other qb could have come in and done that.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How the hell do you or anyone else know what their vision is?  They’ve been more than assistant coaches for about a week and have never said anything in front of a mic besides "I need to watch more tape.”

Because Sirianni is to Reich what Reich was to Pederson, that is, he was part of the game planning with Reich, so he's going to bring a lot of the Indy scheme with him.

And Gannon is similar, he helped Eberflus install his defense, which is a mix of Tampa 2 and Seattle 3.

Now tell me what scheme Doug runs? Or Schwartz the last couple years?  Look at our secondary and the players we've rotated in and out the last three years, what do they have in common? The only thing I can think of with Schwartz are one gap pass rushing DTs, and LBs who are converted safeties. Doug went from a Reich influenced ball control RB/TE centric offense, to RPO with Foles, to deep strike offense last year.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Because Sirianni is to Reich what Reich was to Pederson, that is, he was part of the game planning with Reich, so he's going to bring a lot of the Indy scheme with him.

And Gannon is similar, he helped Eberflus install his defense, which is a mix of Tampa 2 and Seattle 3.

Now tell me what scheme Doug runs? Or Schwartz the last couple years?  Look at our secondary and the players we've rotated in and out the last three years, what do they have in common? The only thing I can think of with Schwartz are one gap pass rushing DTs, and LBs who are converted safeties. Doug went from a Reich influenced ball control RB/TE centric offense, to RPO with Foles, to deep strike offense last year.

Just quit while you’re behind.  You make crap up and you know it.  You don’t need to redirect to Doug.  None of us know what Siriani’s vision is.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How the hell do you or anyone else know what their vision is?  They’ve been more than assistant coaches for about a week and have never said anything in front of a mic besides "I need to watch more tape.”

More proof AFan is Howie!

Seeing Wentz reach out to all his new teammates and being praised as bigtime leader already..... A cold moment as an Eagles fan. I wish him the best. I hope we find out what the hell really happened.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How the hell do you or anyone else know what their vision is?  They’ve been more than assistant coaches for about a week and have never said anything in front of a mic besides "I need to watch more tape.”

 

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How the hell do you or anyone else know what their vision is? 

Spoiler

 

Santoloquito trashed Wentz after his way out on the latest BGN pod. He went through the greatest hits but added he’s heard from two people the conversation between Wentz and Sirianni did not got well. He did say it’s just what he heard and did some heavy speculation on his part, so as always take it fwiw.

He also said the locker room isn’t going to miss him at all but from what he said it feels like it stems from what went down the last 1-2 months. 

Howie Roseman has been GM for 11 years, but only has had full personnel authotiy for only 7 of those 11 years. Let's check out those seasons, shall we? The team went through 5 starting QBs, had a winning record 5 and made the playoffs 4 of those seasons, winning the SB one of them. He's only had 2 losing seasons; one of course being 2020. Feel free to compare that to the Eagles BEFORE Howie Roseman.

No one knows what happened.  I've just been doing some searching because I remember how much we used to hear about the Christian Fellowship group that Carson started back in 2017-18.  Players included were Torrey Smith, Stefan Wizniewski, Trey Burton, Jordan Hicks, Nick Foles, Jordan Matthews, Steven Means,  Chris Maragos along with many others.  Marcus Johnson was baptized in a hotel pool on a road trip.  PE.com as well as the media had quite a few positive articles.  There's even an article about how Carson and his wife invited Golden Tate to go to church when the Eagles traded for him.  

I'm not saying his Christianity was part of what went wrong but 99% of the players who were in his fellowship group were gone after 2018.  Gone were the players, gone was the media coverage and positive reporting on Carson's Christian faith. Gone was a big part of Carson's support group, guys who related and shared his same faith and passion.

2020 brought about the rise of promoting activism and belittling Christianity.  This is just me wondering but I wonder if there were any conversations with the higher ups to have Carson cool off with promoting his Christianity as much.  Again, I'm not saying this was the reason, just thinking and sharing thoughts as to what i the world came between Carson and the organization.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles-marcus-johnson-baptized-in-hotel-pool-with-teammates-by-his-side

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/28/strong-christian-faith-binds-philadelphia-eagles-a/

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/november/philadelphia-eagles-qb-carson-wentz-invites-new-teammate-to-church

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-quarterback-carson-wentz-religion-gospel-faith-jeff-mclane-20170904.html

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How the hell do you or anyone else know what their vision is?  They’ve been more than assistant coaches for about a week and have never said anything in front of a mic besides "I need to watch more tape.”

The same way AR proteges started with his scheme and then added their own twists over time.

No new HC or coordinator can invent a new scheme in a few weeks, you start with what you've been doing and then modify it over time.

So they'll both start with Indy's schemes and adjust them as they grow into the job.

Sirianni brought in Michael (former OC) as his TE coach from Indy, and Steichen from SD to be his OC. Sirianni was the WR coach when Stiechen coached QBs for the Chargers in 2017. Whisenhut was OC of the Chargers from 2017-19. Michael was OC at Tenn in 2014-15 under Whisenhut as HC. So there will probably be some elements of Lynn's offense and Whisenhut's offense as well as Reich's. Siriani and Steichen were coaches under Reich as OC in SD in 2014-15.

"The Chargers have put the onus on Steichen to change that. Lynn wants to use wide-zone runs, play-action, and work from under center more frequently in 2020. Once fully implemented, the scheme will share more than a passing similarity to that of the San Francisco 49ers' Kyle Shanahan, the Los Angeles Rams' Sean McVay, and the other acolytes of Mike Shanahan, the coach under which Lynn got his NFL start. Steichen must also mold these offensive philosophies to the Chargers' personnel, particularly its quarterbacks. Herbert comes from Oregon's pistol-centric scheme that included virtually no snaps under center. To help the rookie acclimate to the NFL, Los Angeles' coaching staff wants to install some concepts and formations he used heavily in college."

Eberflus was a LB coach for 9 years before becoming the Indy DC. While Gannon was with Tenn and Minnesota as quality control and assistant coach roles, that's too far down the food chain to be intimately involved with designing a defense. So Gannon's primary influence is probably Eberflus' scheme in indy.

 

 

 

I feel Howie is way high on Hurts. He referenced missing out on Russel Wilson when he was selected. That they felt strongly to not pass on someone of that caliber again. 

Still on the Chase train. Helps evaluate the next qb. If Hurts fails then you have already developing weapons for a rookie qb to rely on and grow with. 

Reagor and Chase would be a great duo. 

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That doesn’t say anything about the draft? Do you have the link?

Was gonna call him out for it and decided to pass. 

It was three or four years ago when he said that, so no, I don’t have the link.  We have seen other evidence of this.  The OR player draft when Kelly arrived.  Howie bouncing back and forth with AR as he built the "dream team”.  Talking Kelly down on draft positioning but still grabbing the player Kelly wanted.  Douglas and then Weidl building the draft board.   I don’t think Howie is Jerry Jones, selecting names without regard to fit.  I do think he consults with the coaches. I suspect the further down the board they go, the less coaches are giving input and as AFan pointed out, he usually does well with lower round players and UDFAs. 

Howie has a mess that he created but that will cure quicker than we think.  Eight picks this year.  Eight next year.   

23 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

Seeing Wentz reach out to all his new teammates and being praised as bigtime leader already..... A cold moment as an Eagles fan. I wish him the best. I hope we find out what the hell really happened.

I don't think we'll know. I bet Wentz keeps it private. There's probably going to be a ton of rumors, speculation, and anonymous sources

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

No one knows what happened.  I've just been doing some searching because I remember how much we used to hear about the Christian Fellowship group that Carson started back in 2017-18.  Players included were Torrey Smith, Stefan Wizniewski, Trey Burton, Jordan Hicks, Nick Foles, Jordan Matthews, Steven Means,  Chris Maragos along with many others.  Marcus Johnson was baptized in a hotel pool on a road trip.  PE.com as well as the media had quite a few positive articles.  There's even an article about how Carson and his wife invited Golden Tate to go to church when the Eagles traded for him.  

I'm not saying his Christianity was part of what went wrong but 99% of the players who were in his fellowship group were gone after 2018.  Gone were the players, gone was the media coverage and positive reporting on Carson's Christian faith. Gone was a big part of Carson's support group, guys who related and shared his same faith and passion.

2020 brought about the rise of promoting activism and belittling Christianity.  This is just me wondering but I wonder if there were any conversations with the higher ups to have Carson cool off with promoting his Christianity as much.  Again, I'm not saying this was the reason, just thinking and sharing thoughts as to what i the world came between Carson and the organization.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles-marcus-johnson-baptized-in-hotel-pool-with-teammates-by-his-side

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/28/strong-christian-faith-binds-philadelphia-eagles-a/

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/november/philadelphia-eagles-qb-carson-wentz-invites-new-teammate-to-church

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-quarterback-carson-wentz-religion-gospel-faith-jeff-mclane-20170904.html

He did quit posting Ao1 stuff for awhile.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I don't think we'll know. I bet Wentz keeps it private. There's probably going to be a ton of rumors, speculation, and anonymous sources

Yea, us fans are hostages of the moment. We may never find out. I will be following the Colts media. I wonder if any Wentz hit pieces come out over there.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Santoloquito trashed Wentz after his way out on the latest BGN pod. He went through the greatest hits but added he’s heard from two people the conversation between Wentz and Sirianni did not got well. He did say it’s just what he heard and did some heavy speculation on his part, so as always take it fwiw.

He also said the locker room isn’t going to miss him at all but from what he said it feels like it stems from what went down the last 1-2 months. 

 

37 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Just quit while you’re behind.  You make crap up and you know it.  You don’t need to redirect to Doug.  None of us know what Siriani’s vision is.

But we have a hint based in history. I have apparently read a lot of the same articles as AFan. Now he may borrow from some things we saw from Doug.  Doug borrowed the mesh from Chip and the offense hasn’t been the same since he abandoned it (I blame Press).  I expect we will see some Wide 9 and possibly some sticks.  I would not be surprised to see changes to the secondary approach depending on what players they can draft.  Unlike you, I want to see a defense focused draft because the Eagles have massive holes there. I want a draft that looks like 2002. 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No one knows what happened.  I've just been doing some searching because I remember how much we used to hear about the Christian Fellowship group that Carson started back in 2017-18.  Players included were Torrey Smith, Stefan Wizniewski, Trey Burton, Jordan Hicks, Nick Foles, Jordan Matthews, Steven Means,  Chris Maragos along with many others.  Marcus Johnson was baptized in a hotel pool on a road trip.  PE.com as well as the media had quite a few positive articles.  There's even an article about how Carson and his wife invited Golden Tate to go to church when the Eagles traded for him.  

I'm not saying his Christianity was part of what went wrong but 99% of the players who were in his fellowship group were gone after 2018.  Gone were the players, gone was the media coverage and positive reporting on Carson's Christian faith. Gone was a big part of Carson's support group, guys who related and shared his same faith and passion.

2020 brought about the rise of promoting activism and belittling Christianity.  This is just me wondering but I wonder if there were any conversations with the higher ups to have Carson cool off with promoting his Christianity as much.  Again, I'm not saying this was the reason, just thinking and sharing thoughts as to what i the world came between Carson and the organization.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles-marcus-johnson-baptized-in-hotel-pool-with-teammates-by-his-side

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/28/strong-christian-faith-binds-philadelphia-eagles-a/

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/november/philadelphia-eagles-qb-carson-wentz-invites-new-teammate-to-church

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-quarterback-carson-wentz-religion-gospel-faith-jeff-mclane-20170904.html

I doubt they told him to cool it b/c at least outside the team, Wentz was always discrete, not using the media to shove his beliefs on the fans. Inside the clubhouse? Unless he was a "holy roller" I doubt that was a big issue in the clubhouse. However, losing his support group on the team might have made Wentz less resilient when he had to deal with adversity. Looking at the players who left, I doubt there was any strategy to move these guys out, they just weren't very good other than Hicks, and the issue with him was money and durability.

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

WTF kinda BS is this. Besides isn't Philadelphia a majority black city anyways?

Aren't the Eagles the organization that has had more snaps taken by AA QBs than any other team?  Or at least the Eagles are in top 5?  This Deadspin writer seems to not care about facts and clearly has a biased agenda.  Too many of these faux journalists are like the guy at the bonfire party who is not yet either too tired or too drunk and gets down on their knees to blow on the cinders to stoke the fire again.  Go to bed, Ahole!

 

1 minute ago, AzBirdGang said:

Yea, us fans are hostages of the moment. We may never find out. I will be following the Colts media. I wonder if any Wentz hit pieces come out over there.

His uncle logged in yesterday. Probably saw all of the trash talking in TATE and left

I'd like to blame Howie but it's all guesses at this point. I was really hoping that Nick was going to try and work with Wentz but oh well

I'm moving on. Hopefully Nick can get this team flipped around. It'd be easier if he had a new GM

we are headed right to the superbowl

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That Sirianni comment makes no sense to me. First he’s going back to 2009 when he was like 26, and every other story or report about him is he’s a sleep in the office on the sofa coach.

The problem with Wentz is the problem you're gonna have with most "franchise" QBs. They're spoiled from 16, heavily recruited in college, then drafted high, given big money, so basically the only check on them is their own character. Even though Wentz wasn't highly recruited, in ND he was a God. And after 2017, he probably started believing his press clippings.

Now it's easy to scout arm strength and athleticism, not as easy to determine football IQ, and much harder to determine how a kid at 24 or 25 will react to success and big money. One thing you look for is competitiveness - the great players have this and it outweighs money and ego - they live to win and/or hate to lose. We're seeing that with Embiid this year, his competitiveness is now the dominant aspect of his personality - he understands what it takes to be great and strive for the brass ring.

Hurts has those intangibles, does he have the requisite talent? Wentz had the talent, but success revealed his flaws.

That's why I'm not impressed with 50 yard throws, all the QB who got at the top of the draft tend to have great physical talent, yet over half fail.

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Uh. Duh. We all have been. You think you’re breaking news with that?  That’s not what we were talking about. LOL. JFC. 

It is exactly what you were talking about.  You refuted that Wentz was not taking responsibility by saying he stood up at every press conference and said he needed to be better.  And then did absolutely the same thing the following week.   No offseason work on getting better.  Allegedly blowing off meetings.  So hollow words.   Didn’t work to improve his mechanics.  Foles struggled with it but did manage to shorten his windup, for example. Never fixed his feet placement. That was the reason for the lofts.  Did nothing to improve hanging onto the ball and not fumbling.  And would not throw the ball away.  So, JFC, how in the hell is that taking responsibility? It’s like the little kid that keeps breaking the rules and when caught thinks "I’m sorry” is all that is needed.