9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That Sirianni comment makes no sense to me. First he’s going back to 2009 when he was like 26, and every other story or report about him is he’s a sleep in the office on the sofa coach.

Agreed. He was a QC coach who had the gall to leave the building during vacation time? Who gives a S?

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It is exactly what you were talking about.  You refuted that Wentz was not taking responsibility by saying he stood up at every press conference and said he needed to be better.  And then did absolutely the same thing the following week.   No offseason work on getting better.  Allegedly blowing off meetings.  So hollow words.   Didn’t work to improve his mechanics.  Foles struggled with it but did manage to shorten his windup, for example. Never fixed his feet placement. That was the reason for the lofts.  Did nothing to improve hanging onto the ball and not fumbling.  And would not throw the ball away.  So, JFC, how in the hell is that taking responsibility? It’s like the little kid that keeps breaking the rules and when caught thinks "I’m sorry” is all that is needed.  

I remember this going back to McNabb, doing physical games like chasing toys to improve his agility, but not the hard and tedious work of finding a top QB coach and working on his footwork and release point (remember the worm burners?). It takes a certain personality to admit they need to improve and then put in the hard work. A lot of mechanics is repetition, building up muscle memory, and I'm sure it's boring as hell. Same with film work. But I'll bet Tom Brady does it religiously - of course, as a 6th rd pick he never had a chance to feel entitled.

Hurts may not have a "NFL arm," which really means he can't make throws that are actually attempted once or twice a game by the big arm QBs, but neither did Montana or Brees. Most of playing QB is IQ, either he can be coached up to recognize a NFL defense or all arm strength would do is buy him an extra year or two as a starter before teams gave up on him.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That Sirianni comment makes no sense to me. First he’s going back to 2009 when he was like 26, and every other story or report about him is he’s a sleep in the office on the sofa coach.

It sounds like a sour grapes comment by someone jealous of his quick ascent. I'm sure he has flaws, but that just sounds silly.

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Was about to post this.. absolute must read.  This guy Joe S was accurate in his prior reporting and has earned some credibility.  I refused to believe him initially.  He had sources...

He has also further confirmed what we’ve come to understand about the owners role in the collapse...

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BLG: So you’ve heard a lot about Carson Wentz. But do you hear things about Howie Roseman? Because that’s what people want to know.

SANTOLIQUITO: I hear he’s intelligent. I hear he asks a lot of questions. And those are the positives. I think what happened to Howie, from two major NFL people, one that used to be a former employee of the Eagles, is that when they won the Super Bowl … best thing and worst thing to happen to Howie. And you know exactly where I’m going with this. Best thing, because he helped put this team together. He helped with Joe Douglas, Joe Douglas had a major part of that. But Howie deserves credit for that. So that’s the good, that’s the best thing. The worst thing is that Howie began to think he was a hell of a lot smarter than he actually is in terms of seeing and determining what talent is. And it’s a matter of knowing your place. And maybe Howie needs a "No” guy, too. I didn’t know this until very recently. I thought Lurie was a hands off owner to a point. I thought Lurie would meddle a little bit here and there. Like, for example, I think Wentz was Lurie’s pick. And Howie Roseman did his boss’s bidding, as he’s supposed to do, and he got his boss’s pick. Arcega-Whiteside , he was a Lurie pick. And Lurie’s also a little bit guilty over the Super Bowl, having something to do with a little bit of a blown up ego. Here’s an owner in the past that would step back and let his football people do their football things. And suddenly, [it became] I’m the guy who had something to do with Carson Wentz. I might think of myself as more intelligent than I actually am. We know the 2017 season was an outlier, but it was a hell of an outlier with Wentz going 11-2 and Lurie sitting up in his beautiful club box seat going ‘That’s my guy. That’s the guy that I picked. That’s the guy that I gave Mr. Roseman the directive to get to. And now he’s doing this and doing these fine, amazing things for my team.’ Only to have it blow up in their faces three years later. But I’ll tell you what, I’ll take this mess if I’m an Eagles fan — I’m a media person, I’m not supposed to be a fan. But I will take this current mess for that Super Bowl trophy. Now, you and I were sitting together in Minneapolis during that event, and I use the word "event” because I was born and bred an Eagles fan. My only wish is, someone like my father, God rest his soul, could’ve seen that. But that was a very, very special moment that can’t be taken away, that’s going to be the experience of a lifetime, and it’s something that’s very special and something that this organization should still take a lot of pride in. But they also have to turn around, and it’s kind of funny how this has gone in terms of Wentz, again, not being accountable, feeling entitled, a twitch of arrogance — you can easily turn around and say that about the Eagles organization. And the way they’ve handled things since the Super Bowl. ‘We’re the big guys on the block. Get out of our way.’ Again, I know people from other teams. Assistant coaches. Coaches. Players. It’s more than just the fan base that the NFL doesn’t like here. It’s the Philadelphia Eagles. And it’s a little bit of Howie Roseman. Howie’s respected, to a point. But he’s also … but I’ll just say, maybe behind a few closed doors, he’s someone that people pull a little snicker-snicker and just, like, ‘Really? This guy’s a bit of a clown here. A little bit too much Johnny Big Time.’ When that Super Bowl trophy came about and he raised it up in his hands and suddenly he thinks of himself of the next coming as Vince Lombardi. They all need, they ALL need to take a step back. They’re not going to listen to a schmo like me. But they need to take a look in the mirror and look at this mess that they created. They created by entitling, by giving entitlement to a quarterback that helped ruin this situation. And they can turn around behind closed doors and whisper Wentz this, Wentz that. And by the way, you’ll start to hear those things. And don’t be surprised if those stories start to come out a little bit more and people are more bolder about going on the record with some things. Don’t be surprised if that starts to leak out. But they have to take a look at themselves and look at the mess that THEY have created. They may point a finger at Wentz being uncoachable, not accountable, arrogant. But they have been the same thing. Mr. Lurie and Mr. Roseman have not exactly been accountable to themselves. And we see that in the reflection of a 4-11-1 season. And they only have themselves to blame for all this. Because, again, we let a monster get out of control in Wentz. Well, that’s done. Good for them. And that’s why I gave [the trade] a high grade. It helps Wentz, it helps the organization. Everybody, in my opinion, wins because it cuts out a big boil on their butt. So that’s done. They now can turn the page.

Here’s another situation that they’re faced with. Talking to a couple of assistant coaches, someone tells me, ‘Nick Sirianni is a good guy, he’s an energy guy, positive attitude, sis boom bah,’ that’s all fine. But some of the guys I talked to, a little bit premature in pulling the trigger on ol’ Nick Sirianni. He might have been one or two years away. Someone who was with him when he was with the Chiefs says to me, very recently — actually, it was two people who said this to me. That he was quality control coach down there, and you know and I know that that’s the last rung of the coaching ladder. Those guys do incredible, incredible work. That’s where Sean McDermott started, there’s where Joe Judge started, that’s where Kevin Stefanski started. And these guys, it’s a tireless, thankless job. 18 hours days, there in the office, there in the building, vacation, no vacation. Guess what, when Kansas City had their vacation time, you didn’t find Nick Sirianni in the building. So, we’ll see if his ways have changed. I’d like to think that they have. And we’ll see where things are.

...

 

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

Was about to post this.. absolute must read.  This guy Joe S was accurate in his prior reporting and has earned some credibility.  I refused to believe him initially.  He had sources...

He has also further confirmed what we’ve come to understand about the owners role in the collapse...

 

His first story was an absolute hit piece and he all but admitted it. That crushed his credibility initially to a lot of people, myself included. Then Carson spoke to reporters admitting to some of the issue behind the scenes. 

I tend to think the tone still is too strong (him calling Wentz a petulant child), but I don’t doubt there is something to what he’s saying. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Actually, I got that from interviews where he stated that if they had two players pretty evenly slotted that he would defer to the player the coach preferred.  I have been saying that deferring to Schwartz has been a mistake for the last two drafts because it always seemed Schwartz picked the wrong player.   

The GM isn't supposed to be a consensus builder.  He's supposed to take all the information in, and make a final decision... and then after making the decision he's supposed to support his decision, and be responsible for his decision.  He's not supposed to point the finger at the others for his decisions.  And if he's incapable of making those decisions, then he shouldn't be making them.

I didn’t like Hurts as a pick because of the fact he would give up on a play and run too quickly. But he can go through progressions.  So he is coachable.  Just needs to be able to trust his protection. OL will be better this coming year.  So what about him as a starter?

He had very good accuracy in college.  He does a better job than Carson ever did at throwing to where his receivers can keep in stride.  I liked that about him at OU and I saw some of that in his four games. I dispute the argument he doesn’t have a strong arm.  He may not be able to throw it seventy yards but that is an overblown value.   But he can throw it fifty yards with accuracy. Supposedly the best long ball on the team was Sudfeld.   Hurts is a little shorter than I would like but Carson had his share of swatted passes so a couple of inches isn’t everything. I like that he is willing to work to improve in the offseason. 

The SB was both the best thing and the worst thing to happen to the FO. The best thing for obvious reasons, the worst thing b/c it seduced them into thinking they could recapture the magic with a few tweaks. But Lurie and Howie are smart guys who learn from their mistakes, and the fact they've publicly committed to a rebuild makes them sound like they've joined "football AA," they've accepted that getting back is going to require hard work, not quick fixes. One day and one UDFA and SFA at a time.

I'm sure Howie pissed some people off after the SB, he took crap for almost a decade about not being a football guy, not belonging in his position - so payback is a ****. Now that he's been slapped in the face by reality, look for a more even keel. A little humility never hurt anyone.

The whole organization has had a reset, now they can put both the SB and Wentz behind them, and focus on the rebuild.

They have 8 picks the next two years, before comp picks, an Ertz trade, a possible Slay trade, trade downs and other moves.

Hopefully they can turn things around faster than Licht did in TB. TB was 4-12, but had players like Duug Martin (25), V Jackson (31), David (24), Foster (25), Barron (25), Clayborn (26), Revis (29), McCoy (26), Gholston (23). Took Licht 7 years, we'll see how long it takes Howie.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The GM isn't supposed to be a consensus builder.  He's supposed to take all the information in, and make a final decision... and then after making the decision he's supposed to support his decision, and be responsible for his decision.  He's not supposed to point the finger at the others for his decisions.  And if he's incapable of making those decisions, then he shouldn't be making them.

Didn’t say I like him.  Hell, I have wanted him gone for a decade but leave behind the scouting staff. Or designate him to contracts.  I think his desire for consensus at the level he seeks it weakens the team, can lead to bad decisions and have been saying that for a few years. So when I call him Mr. Consensus there is some snark in my voice.  Try it with me, with a little snark in your tone.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Didn’t say I like him.  Hell, I have wanted him gone for a decade but leave behind the scouting staff. Or designate him to contracts.  I think his desire for consensus at the level he seeks it weakens the team, can lead to bad decisions and have been saying that for a few years. So when I call him Mr. Consensus there is some snark in my voice.  Try it with me, with a little snark in your tone.

He desires consensus so he has individuals to blame.   It's not about consensus, it's about CYA.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He desires consensus so he has individuals to blame.   It's not about consensus, it's about CYA.

And you know that how? When has Howie blamed anyone?

Consensus is a management style, so is being a Martinet.

Consensus works when you have the right people to listen to, Eagles were better when Howie had Patch and Mueller, then Douglas. When Douglas left, maybe Howie tried to do too much.

He still has solid people, Patch, Weidl, Donohoe,  Washburn seems to have moved up the ladder, scout 5 years with the Ravens before becoming an assistant coach.

Gannon and another new coach have also worked as scouts.

We'll see how it works this year, but it delivered a SB. And it's a good thing when you encourage people to speak their piece without fear of offending the "big man."

The Martinet GM only works when you have a brilliant GM who doesn't have to listen to his coaches or scouts, and there are how many of these guys? Most GMs fall flat on their faces, which is why bad teams go through them every 2-3 years. Licht was lucky to have a team so used to losing they allowed him six years of missing the playoffs (one winning season) to finish his plan.

 

47 minutes ago, John_C said:

Was about to post this.. absolute must read.  This guy Joe S was accurate in his prior reporting and has earned some credibility.  I refused to believe him initially.  He had sources...

He has also further confirmed what we’ve come to understand about the owners role in the collapse...

 

I think the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle. He seems to have recency bias.  He initially crushed Wentz, then wrote an article praising him because he tried to be more accessible and a leader, and now he’s back to crushing him because of how his exit went down.

I don’t think it’s very fair for him to say in one breath the locker room is big so there will be guys like Cox, Ertz and Kelce who will speak on the record praising and defending Wentz while in the same breath saying the locker room won’t miss him at all. He could have his sources but that seems a bit hypocritical. 

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And you know that how? When has Howie blamed anyone?

Consensus is a management style, so is being a Martinet.

Consensus works when you have the right people to listen to, Eagles were better when Howie had Patch and Mueller, then Douglas. When Douglas left, maybe Howie tried to do too much.

He still has solid people, Patch, Weidl, Donohoe,  Washburn seems to have moved up the ladder, scout 5 years with the Ravens before becoming an assistant coach.

Gannon and another new coach have also worked as scouts.

We'll see how it works this year, but it delivered a SB. And it's a good thing when you encourage people to speak their piece without fear of offending the "big man."

The Martinet GM only works when you have a brilliant GM who doesn't have to listen to his coaches or scouts, and there are how many of these guys? Most GMs fall flat on their faces, which is why bad teams go through them every 2-3 years. Licht was lucky to have a team so used to losing they allowed him six years of missing the playoffs (one winning season) to finish his plan.

 

I've watched him for the last 10 years.  I've seen the stories come out after a coach leaves about how Howie had the right guys identified, but for whatever reason just couldn't draft them.   Doug and Schwartz are getting a lot of blame for all that's gone wrong recently (read what you actually post for reference, if needed)... recall Doug wasn't allowed to choose his own coaches after 2019, yet somehow he weilded this great influence over Howie on players before the 2020 draft just a few months later?   Please.  

Howie is the GM, Howie forced the stupid coaching structure on Doug... and it blew up.  That's not Doug's fault, that was Howie's fault.  But somehow we are to believe that Howie chose Reagor over Jefferson because of Doug?  No.  Or that the guy who couldn't keep his OC, could pull the plug on the $100M QB without getting it ok'd by the GM/owner?  Please.

 

But you somehow know about Sirianni and how he's so much better than Doug.  Well, he's got to raise a Lombardi to match Doug... so I sure hope you are right.  We'll see what kind of coach Sirianni is, but right now... no one (including Sirianni himself) knows what kind of HC he will be.  We will see.  But with Howie at the controls still it should be interesting.  Hopefully Howie does a 180 again from his post-Super Bowl 180.  I won't hold my breath though.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The SB was both the best thing and the worst thing to happen to the FO. The best thing for obvious reasons, the worst thing b/c it seduced them into thinking they could recapture the magic with a few tweaks. But Lurie and Howie are smart guys who learn from their mistakes, and the fact they've publicly committed to a rebuild makes them sound like they've joined "football AA," they've accepted that getting back is going to require hard work, not quick fixes. One day and one UDFA and SFA at a time.

I'm sure Howie pissed some people off after the SB, he took crap for almost a decade about not being a football guy, not belonging in his position - so payback is a ****. Now that he's been slapped in the face by reality, look for a more even keel. A little humility never hurt anyone.

The whole organization has had a reset, now they can put both the SB and Wentz behind them, and focus on the rebuild.

They have 8 picks the next two years, before comp picks, an Ertz trade, a possible Slay trade, trade downs and other moves.

Hopefully they can turn things around faster than Licht did in TB. TB was 4-12, but had players like Duug Martin (25), V Jackson (31), David (24), Foster (25), Barron (25), Clayborn (26), Revis (29), McCoy (26), Gholston (23). Took Licht 7 years, we'll see how long it takes Howie.

That’s very likely ...🤦🏻‍♂️

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've watched him for the last 10 years.  I've seen the stories come out after a coach leaves about how Howie had the right guys identified, but for whatever reason just couldn't draft them.   Doug and Schwartz are getting a lot of blame for all that's gone wrong recently (read what you actually post for reference, if needed)... recall Doug wasn't allowed to choose his own coaches after 2019, yet somehow he weilded this great influence over Howie on players before the 2020 draft just a few months later?   Please.  

Howie is the GM, Howie forced the stupid coaching structure on Doug... and it blew up.  That's not Doug's fault, that was Howie's fault.  But somehow we are to believe that Howie chose Reagor over Jefferson because of Doug?  No.  Or that the guy who couldn't keep his OC, could pull the plug on the $100M QB without getting it ok'd by the GM/owner?  Please.

But you somehow know about Sirianni and how he's so much better than Doug.  Well, he's got to raise a Lombardi to match Doug... so I sure hope you are right.  We'll see what kind of coach Sirianni is, but right now... no one (including Sirianni himself) knows what kind of HC he will be.  We will see.  But with Howie at the controls still it should be interesting.  Hopefully Howie does a 180 again from his post-Super Bowl 180.  I won't hold my breath though.

The story about the right guys came from Lurie, not Howie, and wasn't about vindication, but explaining why Lurie has confidence in the personnel department, the problem wasn't player evaluation (i.e. they identified the right guys) but the choice of players. What factors influenced those choices is unclear.

The problem with Doug's coaches was Doug, after Reich left he promotes Groh, and the offense went from top five to middle of the pack the next two years. Now some of that was injuries, but it's not like there was this huge talent falloff in 2018 and 2019, Smith leaves, DeSean can't stay healthy but they add Sanders and Goedert. Lowie wanted new blood with new ideas, Doug stubbornly stuck with "his" guys. Agholor regressed, Wentz regressed, JJAW never developed.

We don't know what drove the 2020 draft, whether it was Howie or Doug who prioritized speed and explosiveness, but it was Doug who took that inexperienced speed and installed a game plan built around a big play offense, and didn't deviate when the OL imploded.

Sirianni is better suited to a rebuild than Doug. Who did Doug develop in three years? He's a scheming coach, not a teaching coach, he was QB coach for 2 years, with Vick and Foles as a rookie, then OC for three years. Sirianni has a staff with extensive experience as position coaches, Siranni - 3yr WR, 2 yr QB, Michael 7yr TEs, 3 yr QB, Seichen, 4 yr QB, Johnson QB Miss St, Florida, Patullo 3yr WR, Gannon 3yr DBs, Rocker, 14 yr college DL coach, 3 year NFL, Wilson 6 yr DBs.. Rallis is the one inexperienced hire at LB coach.

Siranni has a couple years to grow into the job, the next two years player development will be more important than brilliant game plans. They need to rebuild a roster, not win a surprise game or two and screw their draft slot.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

The problem with Wentz is the problem you're gonna have with most "franchise" QBs. They're spoiled from 16, heavily recruited in college, then drafted high, given big money, so basically the only check on them is their own character. Even though Wentz wasn't highly recruited, in ND he was a God. And after 2017, he probably started believing his press clippings.

Now it's easy to scout arm strength and athleticism, not as easy to determine football IQ, and much harder to determine how a kid at 24 or 25 will react to success and big money. One thing you look for is competitiveness - the great players have this and it outweighs money and ego - they live to win and/or hate to lose. We're seeing that with Embiid this year, his competitiveness is now the dominant aspect of his personality - he understands what it takes to be great and strive for the brass ring.

Hurts has those intangibles, does he have the requisite talent? Wentz had the talent, but success revealed his flaws.

That's why I'm not impressed with 50 yard throws, all the QB who got at the top of the draft tend to have great physical talent, yet over half fail.

A whole ton of supposition here.  I haven’t seen any of these intangibles from Hurts yet.  He got benched at Alabama because Tua was a better thrower — and Tua aims the ball.  He barely won a QB competition at OU, and it could be argued he succeeded as a product of the same Lincoln Riley system that produced a #1 overall Mayfield and a #1 Murray — yet Hurts was a 3rd round prospect, largely because of the limitations that stopped his path under Saban.  Mayfield can sling it, Murray can sling it — Hurts cannot — and NFL evaluators graded him accordingly.

Greg Ward has been vocal in his endorsement for Hurts; they both have Houston roots, so good for them.  It’s yet to be determined if Greg Ward will have a job in 2021.  Let’s see if Hurts gets the rest of the team on board; not having Desean and Alshon around will help him immensely.

As for Embiid — we haven’t seen anything yet.  Let’s see when the games matter, because his pattern is when the games get important, he becomes as soft as a pillow.  

 

Intangibles are important. Talent/athleticism is important. You can get by having superior talent while lacking the intangibles. I don’t think you can get by with superior intangibles while lacking talent and achieve sustained success. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Intangibles are important. Talent/athleticism is important. You can get by having superior talent while lacking the intangibles. I don’t think you can get by with superior intangibles while lacking talent. 

It's a spectrum. It's not talent or no talent, it's how much talent and what kind of talent.

The Detmer brothers had off the chart IQs and below the minimum NFL arms, but hung around b/c they could cobble a game or two together.

Hurts has a NFL arm, but he doesn't have a gun. So he'll have to show he can pick up NFL defenses and throw receivers open. And he's a great athlete, not as fast as say Jackson, but a tougher runner with a power back's build and agility. If he can learn to make accurate passes out of the pocket, he can throw it in the air with touch 30-40 yards. He's not going to make some of the throws Wentz made, but he's also more likely to develop touch on screen passes, dump offs and wheel routes. He's got to hit the TE down the seam and the WRs in stride on the crossing routes. If he can make the throws that are 90+% of any QB's repertoire, his legs will compensate for the 2-3 throws he shouldn't try to make.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

A whole ton of supposition here.  I haven’t seen any of these intangibles from Hurts yet.  He got benched at Alabama because Tua was a better thrower — and Tua aims the ball.  He barely won a QB competition at OU, and it could be argued he succeeded as a product of the same Lincoln Riley system that produced a #1 overall Mayfield and a #1 Murray — yet Hurts was a 3rd round prospect, largely because of the limitations that stopped his path under Saban.  Mayfield can sling it, Murray can sling it — Hurts cannot — and NFL evaluators graded him accordingly.

Greg Ward has been vocal in his endorsement for Hurts; they both have Houston roots, so good for them.  It’s yet to be determined if Greg Ward will have a job in 2021.  Let’s see if Hurts gets the rest of the team on board; not having Desean and Alshon around will help him immensely.

As for Embiid — we haven’t seen anything yet.  Let’s see when the games matter, because his pattern is when the games get important, he becomes as soft as a pillow.  

 

That's what I tend to point at is that both Mayfield and Murray in the same system rated as top 10 QBs in the draft yet Hurts was at best at top end 2nd Round and maybe later if Howie had not drafted him.  His whole college career he played with superior O talent to help him at both Bama and OU in regards to his competition so what kind of conclusions can you draw from that?  I want to see QBs under pressure while playing against solid competition and not ones who had it all vs 'lesser' competition.  Look, I don't hate on Hurts as it's not his responsibility for how this has all played out.  I'm sure he's a good kid with desire and fire, but he just IMO he just lacks the quality to be a SB QB.  This whole thing with the QBs has been F'd up by the FO.  They give up the farm for Wentz who gets hurt and Foles steps in to win the SB.  Next season Wentz again can't finish the season and Foles almost leads them to a SB run (maybe if Alshon doesn't drop that pass, but still leaks info to Josina  Anderson).  They fail to provide their franchise QB with the weapons he needs to be successful so draft a safety net with a 2nd Round pick (unprecedented) and then an atrocious season of injuries and just poor overall play.  This is an institutional failure.  Across the board on all accounts.  From top to bottom.  The problem is the 2 most responsible are still in their same positions and at the top of the pyramid.   And ish rolls downhill.  Until the A1 understands the SB was more a one-off fluke and he really didn't have say in it while his minion had very little say in it then we are F'd since they think they are the most clever guys in the room for finally coming up 7s on the craps table.

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

That's what I tend to point at is that both Mayfield and Murray in the same system rated as top 10 QBs in the draft yet Hurts was at best at top end 2nd Round and maybe later if Howie had not drafted him.  His whole college career he played with superior O talent to help him at both Bama and OU in regards to his competition so what kind of conclusions can you draw from that?  I want to see QBs under pressure while playing against solid competition and not ones who had it all vs 'lesser' competition.  Look, I don't hate on Hurts as it's not his responsibility for how this has all played out.  I'm sure he's a good kid with desire and fire, but he just IMO he just lacks the quality to be a SB QB.  This whole thing with the QBs has been F'd up by the FO.  They give up the farm for Wentz who gets hurt and Foles steps in to win the SB.  Next season Wentz again can't finish the season and Foles almost leads them to a SB run (maybe if Alshon doesn't drop that pass, but still leaks info to Josina  Anderson).  They fail to provide their franchise QB with the weapons he needs to be successful so draft a safety net with a 2nd Round pick (unprecedented) and then an atrocious season of injuries and just poor overall play.  This is an institutional failure.  Across the board on all accounts.  From top to bottom.  The problem is the 2 most responsible are still in their same positions and at the top of the pyramid.   And ish rolls downhill.  Until the A1 understands the SB was more a one-off fluke and he really didn't have say in it while his minion had very little say in it then we are F'd since they think they are the most clever guys in the room for finally coming up 7s on the craps table.

I think Hurts can be okay IF Sirianni is the anti-Doug, and develops an offense that plays to his strengths instead of expecting the QB to throw the ball 40+ times per game behind a decimated OL and mainly scrubs at the skill positions.  Get Hurts on the move, short high-percentage throws, run the ball 30+ times with regularity, and scheme him to play a ball control game.

Makes you wonder why the Eagles brass decided they couldn’t eat $26M to get rid of an obvious cancer like Jeffery, yet have no trouble justifying eating $34M to jettison a franchise QB.  I still wonder if activating Jeffery at the expense of Fulgham was the final straw for Wentz

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Hurts can be okay IF Sirianni is the anti-Doug, and develops an offense that plays to his strengths instead of expecting the QB to throw the ball 40+ times per game behind a decimated OL and mainly scrubs at the skill positions.  Get Hurts on the move, short high-percentage throws, run the ball 30+ times with regularity, and scheme him to play a ball control game.

Makes you wonder why the Eagles brass decided they couldn’t eat $26M to get rid of an obvious cancer like Jeffery, yet have no trouble justifying eating $34M to jettison a franchise QB.  I still wonder if activating Jeffery at the expense of Fulgham was the final straw for Wentz

I don’t know how much that specific scenario played into all this but I have no doubt the anonymous leaks to the media with no repercussions certainly played a part. 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Some speculation but basically what most fans assumed.  And unless Wentz comes out and denies it (I doubt he will nor does he care to)...then that's what most fans will think happened. "If the shoe fits...."

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Good news is that none of the WRs that should be on this team will have much in the way of those bonuses given their draft status. 

You beat me too it! All of our WRs and in fact receivers and starting RB are all on their rookie contracts.