10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Coaches would be part of the decision making process on who should be the QB.  They keep their jobs based on wins and losses much more than getting bonuses.

Meanwhile, Lane, Brooks, Slay, Kelce and Cox are on their way out of here.   

Great!  We are in agreement then.  The Eagles would not play a QB that gives them less chance of winning, in turn that keeps the culture of the organization intact.  The team, coaches, and players would all be on the same page and everything tied to winning would still be in play.

I'll go back to my earlier point to the other poster.  You would not draft Lance and then try to justify to anyone that Hurts would be the better option to win.

14 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I'll go back to my earlier point to the other poster.  You would not draft Lance and then try to justify to anyone that Hurts would be the better option to win.

I think in this case you're right. Hurts isn't a proven vet who can offer stability at the position whilst you prepare Lance.

4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Let's all hope that this is accurate.  Many things become less confusing if Hurts can excel.

14 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I don't think there is a chance.  Howie will still be pretending that Jalen Hurts is Russell Wilson II on that day.

So what do you think ? I’ll take the safe trade back. Get a few picks to build up a deficient team and then ready to pounce in the next several years on an older type A vet QB or who knows maybe Hurts WILL surprise, anything can happen

Not sure is this was posted yesterday... another " league source” report

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-mailbag-stick-jalen-hurts-why-howie-roseman-still-power

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What would Howie have to do to get fired?

— Lame Johnson (@aohughes) February 19, 2021

I got about 20 different versions of pretty much the same Howie Roseman question. How does he still have a job? What would it take for him to get fired? Does he have photos of Jeff Lurie?

Lurie clearly has a soft spot for Roseman and he trusts him way more than the fanbase. Earlier this offseason, Reuben Frank put together one of the best explanations for the difference between how Lurie sees Roseman and how others do. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/understanding-why-jeff-lurie-might-never-fire-howie-roseman

That’s not to say that Roseman has done a good job or even that he deserves to still be in power. In fact, many people who have recently left the organization and some still inside the building think he’s the biggest problem with the franchise. A league source recently told me he thinks Roseman is the "sole problem” in Philly.

But I don’t think Roseman is GM for life like some have suggested. Sure, the Super Bowl gave him a longer leash than Doug Pederson but his view for the future of the team also falls in line with Lurie’s. The one thing I know about Lurie, though, is that he won’t like this perception that the Eagles don’t know what they’re doing and he definitely doesn’t like it when the Eagles become the butt of jokes. Remember, Lurie stripped Roseman of personnel power before, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that it might happen again in the future.

 

I still think Roseman isn’t going anywhere anytime soon but this whole Wentz thing is a catastrophic organizational failure (Wentz deserves some blame too) and if the Eagles can’t rebound like they’re hoping in the next few seasons, then even Roseman might not be immune.

 

2 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

So what do you think ? I’ll take the safe trade back. Get a few picks to build up a deficient team and then ready to pounce in the next several years on an older type A vet QB or who knows maybe Hurts WILL surprise, anything can happen

I'm not taking a QB, but I'm not trading back either.  I would Howie-proof the pick as much as possible and take BPA.  If we want to add some picks, move a few vets.

Essentially, 2021 has "struggle" written all over it, so I'd play Hurts with no expectation that he is ever going to be good enough to get the Eagles over the hump.  If he shows that, it is a bonus that helps alot.  I have my doubts about him.

I don't think this team is horrible.  I think it is horrible at a few key positions and lacks a few playmakers.  It is old and the injuries make everything look worse.

 

13 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  I think both Watkins and Fulgham showed enough to warrant another year on the team.  Ward has been the most consistent receiver on the roster over the past 2 seasons and has shown to be pretty solid in the slot.  Until his production is replaced, he's our slot. 

Reagor isn't going anywhere, probably start at Z.

Goodwin would be the veteran receiver out of the bunch.  I'm not super high on Hightower like others so he would be the P.S. candidate, imo.

And we draft a potential starting X (to compete with Fulgham for X) when we trade down and accumulate some additional late 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

I like Hightower, he got open deep often relatively speaking just needs to learn to track and catch a little better 

2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Great!  We are in agreement then.  The Eagles would not play a QB that gives them less chance of winning, in turn that keeps the culture of the organization intact.  The team, coaches, and players would all be on the same page and everything tied to winning would still be in play.

I'll go back to my earlier point to the other poster.  You would not draft Lance and then try to justify to anyone that Hurts would be the better option to win.

I would not draft Lance.  But playing him too soon won't end well.

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

The story about the right guys came from Lurie, not Howie, and wasn't about vindication, but explaining why Lurie has confidence in the personnel department, the problem wasn't player evaluation (i.e. they identified the right guys) but the choice of players. What factors influenced those choices is unclear.

The problem with Doug's coaches was Doug, after Reich left he promotes Groh, and the offense went from top five to middle of the pack the next two years. Now some of that was injuries, but it's not like there was this huge talent falloff in 2018 and 2019, Smith leaves, DeSean can't stay healthy but they add Sanders and Goedert. Lowie wanted new blood with new ideas, Doug stubbornly stuck with "his" guys. Agholor regressed, Wentz regressed, JJAW never developed.

We don't know what drove the 2020 draft, whether it was Howie or Doug who prioritized speed and explosiveness, but it was Doug who took that inexperienced speed and installed a game plan built around a big play offense, and didn't deviate when the OL imploded.

Sirianni is better suited to a rebuild than Doug. Who did Doug develop in three years? He's a scheming coach, not a teaching coach, he was QB coach for 2 years, with Vick and Foles as a rookie, then OC for three years. Sirianni has a staff with extensive experience as position coaches, Siranni - 3yr WR, 2 yr QB, Michael 7yr TEs, 3 yr QB, Seichen, 4 yr QB, Johnson QB Miss St, Florida, Patullo 3yr WR, Gannon 3yr DBs, Rocker, 14 yr college DL coach, 3 year NFL, Wilson 6 yr DBs.. Rallis is the one inexperienced hire at LB coach.

Siranni has a couple years to grow into the job, the next two years player development will be more important than brilliant game plans. They need to rebuild a roster, not win a surprise game or two and screw their draft slot.

I never said Howie blamed anyone publicly.  He doesnt have to, he just needs to blame them to Lurie.  But he puts plenty of stuff out through his stooges in the media.

Re: Sirianni leaving on vacation. 

This is very much a cultural issue. Some coaches, like Jon Gruden want their coaches in the offices at all times. Others like Bruce Arians have publicly said sleeping in the office is dumb and that coaches need to see their families to recharge. 

So whoever criticized Sirianni is the same type of person as Gruden. Doesn't mean that Sirianni will be good or bad. 

 

12 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

WTF kinda BS is this. Besides isn't Philadelphia a majority black city anyways?

If a black guy pulled this $#it there wouldn’t even have been a debate
 

Here it comes

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait.  I haven’t been following.  Are some criticizing a football coach for taking a vacation in February?  Is that really happening?

I'm taking a break from the EMB.  I'll be back in a few months... maybe.   This place is intolerable at times.

12 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

They are assuming it because 41% of those polled wanted to keep Wentz.  And to point at "racism" as being the cause is absurd, imo. 

Growing up in Philly, the majority of "white people" were of Irish, German, Polish and Italian descent so I can see how some people might have been infatuated with having a red-headed, 6'5, white QB, with the last name "Wentz".......but at the end of the day, Philly is Philly and they're going to want the guy that wins...hence why (even in their own poll), 59% still preferred Hurts (the Black guy) over Wentz.  

But in here ...

I think the best way for the Eagles to help Jalen Hurts become a successful NFL quarterback is to emphasize the running game.

The roster is mostly in tatters, but we will have a strong offensive line and Miles Sanders is a stud.  If we can pound the football and protect Hurts, we can allow him the opportunity to develop without having to run for his life on each play.  I believe that this is the key to next season.  Run the ball successfully and everything else can fall into place, including the passing game.

I just hope Sirianni has the wisdom to see this.

5 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

 

Merrill is going to be painful to listen to moving forward.  Love him but his age is catching up.  WIth Jalen Hurts and Jalen Reagor set to be big parts of the offense he's going to be so confused.  Already last year there were lots of plays where he would say "Reagor lines up for the snap." Hopefully he gets that straightened out! 

Still prefer Merrill over the TV broadcast provided the audio is synced up.  I wonder who the heir apparent is.  I'm thinking they poach from the Phillies broadcast team. 

I love listening to Marc Zumov when the Sixers are on TV and Jim Jackson is great with the Flyers.  The Phillies broadcast team is OK, nothing like it used to be but they've been together long enough where the familiarity makes it nice to hear in the spring and summer.  

I can see them looking at a guy like Scott Graham.

11 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Yes, South Jersey and parts of Delaware are considered "metro Philadelphia".  And yes, predominantly Eagles fans, without question.  You can't just use the actual city limit demographics when evaluating the demographics of Eagles fans.  And no one uses that, btw.  When evaluating demographics of fan bases, you first look at metro areas then look at the broader, attached areas....

I was only using Metro Philadelphia but Eagles fan territory goes out much further, well into Lancaster county, Berks, parts of Harrisburg,  Poconos, and even northern parts of Maryland. (All predominantly white areas). I can assure you, without question, the majority of Eagles fans are white.  

 

 

Should take a census in here 

 

I think the Eagles are going to put out some aggressive rumors that they intend to draft a qb at 6 or higher (they already have).  They’ll hope that will either suck teams into the top 6 to clear the deck of qbs and preserve the other prospects or will maximize their value in trading out of 6.

I do think they are dumb enough to put it all on Hurts.

39 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait.  I haven’t been following.  Are some criticizing a football coach for taking a vacation in February?  Is that really happening?

Not really. A single football guy source told Joe Santalaquito (or however it’s spelled) that. 

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm taking a break from the EMB.  I'll be back in a few months... maybe.   This place is intolerable at times.

I hope you come back soon.  Your contributions are appreciated.

What works for me is when topics are raised that aren’t interesting or are just ridiculous, I don’t engage.  Plenty of recent examples.  If you don’t give it any air time, it wont go very far.

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm taking a break from the EMB.  I'll be back in a few months... maybe.   This place is intolerable at times.

Lol. Letting that be your final straw is pretty hilarious considering 4 for 4 wasn’t even following the conversation. 

46 minutes ago, RLC said:

Re: Sirianni leaving on vacation. 

This is very much a cultural issue. Some coaches, like Jon Gruden want their coaches in the offices at all times. Others like Bruce Arians have publicly said sleeping in the office is dumb and that coaches need to see their families to recharge. 

So whoever criticized Sirianni is the same type of person as Gruden. Doesn't mean that Sirianni will be good or bad. 

 

The science of sleep deprivation says the macho, 16 hour a day lifestyle is counterproductive. But "football guys" don't care about science.

41 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The science of sleep deprivation says the macho, 16 hour a day lifestyle is counterproductive. But "football guys" don't care about science.

Sometimes 16 hour days are necessary.  Is it necessary for a football coach in February?  No.

 

39 minutes ago, Grump99 said:

I think the best way for the Eagles to help Jalen Hurts become a successful NFL quarterback is to emphasize the running game.

The roster is mostly in tatters, but we will have a strong offensive line and Miles Sanders is a stud.  If we can pound the football and protect Hurts, we can allow him the opportunity to develop without having to run for his life on each play.  I believe that this is the key to next season.  Run the ball successfully and everything else can fall into place, including the passing game.

I just hope Sirianni has the wisdom to see this.

I think we will likely see a better "run to pass ratio"...well, with Hurts playing, it will likely happen by default because if he can't get a throw off, he's going to run.  That said, I wouldn't mind using a 3rd-5th round pick on a North-South running back to complement Sanders' running style.

Heck, if Javonte Williams falls to the 2nd round or later, the Eagles should strongly consider it.   This kid is the real deal and truly reminds me of Nick Chubb.....

 

And if they bring in a guy like Williams then Sanders could be used the way we used Westbrook....out of the slot, out wide and still getting 15 carries a game...which is the way Sanders should be used, imo.

For anyone keeping track, the Eagles play the Colts in 2022.  If the NFL has a sense of humor, they’ll make that game in Philly.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I think we will likely see a better "run to pass ratio"...well, with Hurts playing, it will likely happen by default because if he can't get a throw off, he's going to run.  That said, I wouldn't mind using a 3rd-5th round pick on a North-South running back to complement Sanders' running style.

Heck, if Javonte Williams falls to the 2nd round or later, the Eagles should strongly consider it.   This kid is the real deal and truly reminds me of Nick Chubb.....

 

 

Then we’d have three 2nd round picks invested in running backs: Sanders, Williams, and Hurts.

Seems a bit backwards for 2021 offense, doesn’t it?