7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

His argument was that "Hurts must be like Tebow because their rushing yards/passing yards ratio" is similar over their first few starts. 

What he has failed to mention is that Tebow's passing yards weren't even close to Hurts' passing yards during that same time period.  Hence, his "theory" doesn't hold water...because it actually states the opposite of what he's "trying" to say....since Hurts passed for an incredible amount of yards during his first 4 starts, the fact that he rushed for that many (to make the ratio high) shows how dynamic of a player he really is.

I think he conceded that Hurts is a better passer than Tebow. But that’s a very low bar. 

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

Unrelated, the type of writing that Bob Grotz just did   HE...DIDNT....WANT...TO...COMPETE....  I'm tired of people talking like that.  It comes off as their opinion is all that matters and you better not question it.  

Honestly, I don't think competing for the job was in the top 5 reasons why Carson wanted out. 

I hope Wentz wins one in Indy just to make howie look incompetent. Bc thats what he is. Winning went completely to his head.

managing success can be very difficult

2 minutes ago, macgregor said:

Ok. But it sounds like their emotions are doing their thinking for them.

I'm from Philly; lived in at least 5 places around town for over 15 years, growing up not far away in Cherry Hill. I've been away 20 years(that's starting to sound old, I am) I can't tell you exactly why I will always be an Eagles fan. But I do love the owner; and no matter what hardship this team faces, I find the course the team takes as supportable. It's not going to always work, I know that. But I can always find solid logic being applied, a method to the madness -even if I personally hate the move.

I can't tell people what they are. Only they can determine that. I just want them to stop with this lynch-mob mentality, piling on bogus assumptions.

Oh? What’s the logic for retaining Howie?

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think he conceded that Hurts is a better passer than Tebow. But that’s a very low bar. 

No kidding high school kids are better passers

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Wasn't perfect ball placement but he hit him in the hands, should have been a catch.

 

yeah. Its a drop. Im not blaming Lawrence for the drop. But Theres literally 20 yards between him and any WR. There is an entire width of the field too. There is SO much space to throw that ball. And Lawrence makes it a tough grab on the back line of the end zone near the goal post. Thats completely inexcusable. 

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Rodgers wants an extension right? Can probably create double that on him alone

Preston Smith has a $16 million cap hit at linebacker, $8 million dead cap.  He's a good linebacker but not worth $16 million.  I'm sure something can be done there too.

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im just watching this video on Amari Rodgers and Im not through it, but just want to point out the 2nd play in the video. That throw from Lawrence... thats what I saw way too much of while watching Higgins stuff, and now it shows up right away in Rodgers stuff. Lawrence has a real accuracy issue. 

 

I usually catch flack on here when I would say I believe Lawrence has regressed since his freshman year, and I would holdout evaluation on him until after the CFP this past season. He played poorly against both OSU and LSU in last year’s playoff and certainly didn’t look any better in this year’s playoff.

I would be shocked if Khan and Urban Meyer take anyone other than Lawrence at #1 — but I’m certainly not sold on him as a ‘generational QB talent’.  I frankly don’t see it 

16 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh? What’s the logic for retaining Howie?

Howie Roseman has been GM for 11 years, but has had full personnel authority for only 7 of those 11 years. Let's check out those seasons, shall we? The team went through 5 starting QBs, had a winning record 5 and made the playoffs 4 of those seasons, winning the SB one of them. He's only had 2 losing seasons; one of course being 2020. Feel free to compare that to the Eagles BEFORE Howie Roseman.

Even the people who hate Howie generally think he's pretty smart. What does being 'smart' buy you? Answer: nothing, at least immediately. A chance to be right perhaps. But what it guarantees you is is the the smart person will be most likely to learn from his lessons and improve over time. Circumstances will always rule the moment, but the Eagles have finally won a Super bowl; and in spite of making mistakes that I can't determine were foreseeable, this team is improving.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

 

Unrelated, the type of writing that Bob Grotz just did   HE...DIDNT....WANT...TO...COMPETE....  I'm tired of people talking like that.  It comes off as their opinion is all that matters and you better not question it.  

Honestly, I don't think competing for the job was in the top 5 reasons why Carson wanted out. 

Even media members have gone full **** over this

wentz is five time the talent hurts is. The team stabbed him in the back. He took it personally thats wentzs mistake. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I usually catch flack on here when I would say I believe Lawrence has regressed since his freshman year, and I would holdout evaluation on him until after the CFP this past season. He played poorly against both OSU and LSU in last year’s playoff and certainly didn’t look any better in this year’s playoff.

I would be shocked if Khan and Urban Meyer take anyone other than Lawrence at #1 — but I’m certainly not sold on him as a ‘generational QB talent’.  I frankly don’t see it 

yeah. hes an incredible athlete but hes not a great passer. 

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You guys with all of your assumptions like you knew what he was doing in the offseason or at practice.  It amazes me how so many people know what he did or didn’t work on.  Did he have a ish year?  Of course he did.   Did he improve in certain areas in his game, where he needed to?   No!  But to say he didn’t take responsibility is ridiculous.   It’s not like he played that bad in 2019 and then came out and played the same way in 2020.  Then your assertion that he didn’t care to work on his game in the offseason would hold some water.  The guy was coming off a serious head injury. Not to make excuse, but again how do you know what he was working on in the offseason?   And how much work did any team get with players last offseason?  Once his head was unscrambled the pandemic hit.  But you guys go ahead and attack a guys character with no real proof or insight as to what he does.   It would be typical of the standard Philly fan.  Now he’s gone you can really let the hate flow.   

You guys?  Honestly, fumbles have always been an issue with Wentz. Mid he was working on it, he was failing miserably at whatever he was doing.  His stance and lofting the ball has always been an issue for him.  If he has been working on it, he has done a poor job.  Yes he hits lasers to spots. I thought Doug relied on timing patterns too much because Carson throws to a spot.  He doesn’t do a great job of throwing to where the receiver will be.  If he was working on it, it wasn’t getting better.  I mentioned, at least two years ago how Tiki Barber walked around one offseason with a ball telling people to try and knock it from him.  I talked about how Larry Bird would go home to French Lick every summer and add something to his game.  We see players putting in work all the time.  Brooks, for example.  We saw that Rasul changed his body in offseasons.  Working on footwork.  We see Hurts doing that.  Ward working with a WR coach.  I commented last TC how it looked like Herbig had been listening to the trainers and Pryor had not.  Footwork is muscle memory.  It takes habit changing process to fix.   As I said, Foles fixed his long wind up.  Carson did not fix his issues.  His saying he was sorry was tired because of the lack of follow through.  

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It will be away. The last one in 2018 was a home game.

probably a good thing.

If Wentz would come back and crushed the Eagles there'd be riots.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. Its a drop. Im not blaming Lawrence for the drop. But Theres literally 20 yards between him and any WR. There is an entire width of the field too. There is SO much space to throw that ball. And Lawrence makes it a tough grab on the back line of the end zone near the goal post. 

It wasn't the best throw but that could also be a "scheme" thing.  My guess is that when they practiced/designed that play, it was designed to be a "back of the end-zone drop" assuming the receiver wouldn't of had 20 yards of separation.    But I tend to agree, the throw should have been better, given the circumstances. 

Heck of a play though, had it gone for a TD.

 

1 minute ago, DumbleBear said:

F Aaron Rodgers and his entire cesspool state. 

California?

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

Unrelated, the type of writing that Bob Grotz just did   HE...DIDNT....WANT...TO...COMPETE....  I'm tired of people talking like that.  It comes off as their opinion is all that matters and you better not question it.  

Honestly, I don't think competing for the job was in the top 5 reasons why Carson wanted out. 

I'm surprised it is not all caps. 

One could put in the work to present a cogent argument, or one could do that.

4 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

F Aaron Rodgers and his entire cesspool state. 

What the hell are you talking about?

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. hes an incredible athlete but hes not a great passer. 

Yea I agree.  #1 overall?  Sure, fine.  Generational...that’s a cliche that gets thrown around too often these days.

He’s this years top qb and a reasonable #1 overall pick.  Certainly a better prospect than the likes of Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.  Beyond that?  No need to use the G word.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You guys?  Honestly, fumbles have always been an issue with Wentz. Mid he was working on it, he was failing miserably at whatever he was doing.  His stance and lofting the ball has always been an issue for him.  If he has been working on it, he has done a poor job.  Yes he hits lasers to spots. I thought Doug relied on timing patterns too much because Carson throws to a spot.  He doesn’t do a great job of throwing to where the receiver will be.  If he was working on it, it wasn’t getting better.  I mentioned, at least two years ago how Tiki Barber walked around one offseason with a ball telling people to try and knock it from him.  I talked about how Larry Bird would go home to French Lick every summer and add something to his game.  We see players putting in work all the time.  Brooks, for example.  We saw that Rasul changed his body in offseasons.  Working on footwork.  We see Hurts doing that.  Ward working with a WR coach.  I commented last TC how it looked like Herbig had been listening to the trainers and Pryor had not.  Footwork is muscle memory.  It takes habit changing process to fix.   As I said, Foles fixed his long wind up.  Carson did not fix his issues.  His saying he was sorry was tired because of the lack of follow through.  

It's a miracle that Wentz ever completed a pass in the NFL.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. Its a drop. Im not blaming Lawrence for the drop. But Theres literally 20 yards between him and any WR. There is an entire width of the field too. There is SO much space to throw that ball. And Lawrence makes it a tough grab on the back line of the end zone near the goal post. Thats completely inexcusable. 

I think when he’s releasing the pass (or at least getting ready to) the DB is still on Rodgers, so the coverage wasn’t busted yet. 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You guys?  Honestly, fumbles have always been an issue with Wentz. Mid he was working on it, he was failing miserably at whatever he was doing.  His stance and lofting the ball has always been an issue for him.  If he has been working on it, he has done a poor job.  Yes he hits lasers to spots. I thought Doug relied on timing patterns too much because Carson throws to a spot.  He doesn’t do a great job of throwing to where the receiver will be.  If he was working on it, it wasn’t getting better.  I mentioned, at least two years ago how Tiki Barber walked around one offseason with a ball telling people to try and knock it from him.  I talked about how Larry Bird would go home to French Lick every summer and add something to his game.  We see players putting in work all the time.  Brooks, for example.  We saw that Rasul changed his body in offseasons.  Working on footwork.  We see Hurts doing that.  Ward working with a WR coach.  I commented last TC how it looked like Herbig had been listening to the trainers and Pryor had not.  Footwork is muscle memory.  It takes habit changing process to fix.   As I said, Foles fixed his long wind up.  Carson did not fix his issues.  His saying he was sorry was tired because of the lack of follow through.  

By "We see Hurts doing that” ..... what are you talking about?  Working on footwork, as in tucking the football and running?  Maybe I haven’t been paying attention.

Not trying to be a smartarse, just not sure who he’s working on his footwork with.

People need to accept some reality with Hurts.

Basically, every single scout, draft profile, and report on Hurts has stated that his weakness is passing...refinement, accuracy, and progressions.

His arm talent is average, but adequate for a starting NFL qb.

Thats a bad combination.

The unrefined passers coming out of college are 6’4”+ with huge arm talent.  The guys with adequate arm talent are highly polished passers.

Hurts is neither.  Sure, his arm is strong enough. Sure, we’ve seen similarly crude and unrefined passers improve before.

But why are we doing this, exactly?  An average, just good enough raw arm and a poor set of passer refinement.  Why? Just why?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

People need to accept some reality with Hurts.

Basically, every single scout, draft profile, and report on Hurts has stated that his weakness is passing...refinement, accuracy, and progressions.

His arm talent is average, but adequate for a starting NFL qb.

Thats a bad combination.

The unrefined passers coming out of college are 6’4”+ with huge arm talent.  The guys with adequate arm talent are highly polished passers.

Hurts is neither.  Sure, his arm is strong enough. Sure, we’ve seen similarly crude and unrefined passers improve before.

But why are we doing this, exactly?  An average, just good enough raw arm and a poor set of passer refinement.  Why? Just why?

QB Factory.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Plenty of people doubt his mental ability to make more than one read 

He can do progressions.  It is learning to do that quickly before giving in and running.  It comes down to trusting the protection more than his legs. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

He can do progressions.  It is learning to do that quickly before giving in and running.  It comes down to trusting the protection more than his legs. 

The problem is that we have yet to see him do it.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I would not draft Lance.  But playing him too soon won't end well.

Playing Jalen Hurts likely isn't going to end well either.  He's the darling now, but that won't last.  No one will be able to justify a high pick sitting behind him and still say that they care about winning.  All of these top QBs exceed his talent level and ceiling...which is why I don't think they take a QB....Howie loves Russell the Second.