I think a modest trade down (pick 12 would be my limit) is the right move.

My fear is that this team pulls a Browns at the height of their stupidity and trades down 3 or 4 times, winds up in the late teens/early 20s, and we hear how smart the team is for getting "more darts to throw at the board" or "more bites at the apple," and then eventually winds up with a bunch of Keenan Claytons and Mike Kafkas to show for it. No thanks.

24 minutes ago, devpool said:

Why on earth would you take 2 tackles back to back in the early rounds when we have mailata, dillard, and driscoll? Mailata starts at LT, dillard is backing up and driscoll is backing up Lane. Take one to replace lane (if driscoll or dillard doesn't), but two? Back to back that early? That would be gross misuse of draft capital unless you're moving one of those two inside

Have you seen our O-Line lately? And yes you can bump one inside. There is not one O-Lineman on the team who is a lock to be on the team in 2022 besides Lane. You, like most people on this board, overvalue Mailata like crazy. Dillard has proven nothing and it’s way too early to say Driscoll is a reason not to go OL. 
 

You can never have enough quality depth on the OLine. You’d think after watching this team, that would be clear. 

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He rebuilt the team twice, won a SB, got to two more playoffs, if we were hiring a GM from another team with that record, we'd overlook 2020 (because he wouldn't be available if there wasn't the equivalent of a 2020).

Did he make mistakes? Sure, DeSean and Jeffrey, some draft choices.

Did he have bad luck, Jerrigan, Darby, Malik, Wallace, Dillard, all good moves at the time. If they don't get hurt, last three years might be very different. All durable before they came here.

The cap is less of an issue than people make it out to be, if we're rebuilding in 2021, it's not the time to load up on FAs, Licht drafted for five years before investing in FAs, because he wanted to build a team then spend money. So we'll have some money in 2022 and a lot of money in 2023. If the rebuild goes well, 2023 is when you go grocery shopping.

Wentz helped win a SB, that justifies the deal, and they'll get a 1st (hopefully) and a 3rd back. Too bad it didn't work out, crap happens.

Reason I like Howie is he's smart, and he self-scouts, he'll want to know why things didn't work out, and not repeat the same mistakes. One of the keys to getting better is to make different mistakes, if you're not making mistakes, you're not trying, if you're making the same mistakes, you're a fool

 

 

That's using a word salad to not answer the question. Is there any part of being a GM that you think he's below average? Also, where would you rank Howie amongst his peers? 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Have you seen our O-Line lately? And yes you can bump one inside. There is not one O-Lineman on the team who is a lock to be on the team in 2022 besides Lane. You, like most people on this board, overvalue Mailata like crazy. Dillard has proven nothing and it’s way too early to say Driscoll is a reason not to go OL. 
 

You can never have enough quality depth on the OLine. You’d think after watching this team, that would be clear. 

But there are roster limits.

 

Lane

Mailata

Dilliard

Driscoll

2 picks

How are you carrying six tackles on the roster?

 

I need to go back and actually watch full game performances rather than just highlights but I really really like Mac Jones's highlight reel. And I think most of the usual caveats are somewhat overstated.

Yes, he was supported by high-quality NFL caliber receivers and a pro-caliber line. But it's not like he was at North Dakota State (😀). He was playing in the frickin' SEC. I would argue Joe Burrow was surrounded by equal or arguably better talent, especially at receiver, and that didn't seem to ding Burrow as much as it seems to ding Jones. 

What I really like about Jones is that the ball comes out at the top of his drop with great accuracy and anticipation. His big plays didn't seem to rely on great protection -- they were the kind of plays that HELP the o-line, where he's delivering the ball in rhythm, from a predictable spot in the pocket and faster than it would be possible for most pressure to get there. Fields and Lance are two guys where even their highlight reels are riddled with hero ball plays where they're holding the ball forever and using their mobility to make something happen.Maybe I'm just scarred by Carson but that's exactly what I'm NOT looking for at this point.

And I fear Hurts is in somewhat of the same mold. A better runner than Carson, but without as big an arm. More accurate than Wentz but about the same in terms of timing and anticipation. 

Jones is clearly not the athlete of any of these other guys but based on his beer gut physique there's probably some growth potential there if he can learn to be a professional and squeeze the most out of his body (which by the way is I think one of Hurts' most appealing qualities. He's a guy who won't fail for lack of effort). Then I guess arm strength is the next biggest question. How much will it really hurt him? Was Burrow's arm coming out of college THAT much better than Jones'?

I think we might see Jones get drafted a lot higher than where mocks are pegging him right now but if he really is going to be the fourth or fifth guy taken, I like the idea of maybe sliding back in round 1, taking Jones and using the additional top 40 picks to address WR and corner. I see Jones as someone who could thrive as the point guard of an explosive offense just as he did last season at Alabama.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Depends on the situation. They aren’t going to bench him the last 4 games after all the ish that just went down here. If it’s a game and they are out of the race that’s a different story, but they should be somewhere in contention for that division at the beginning of December.

Not only that, don't most qb's have incentives built into their contracts? Pass for so many yards or throw so many TD's, they get x amount in bonuses. Make the Pro Bowl or are named as an all-pro, get some more money. No way would he agree to that. 1 game maybe. More than that unless he is injured? I don't see it.

7 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Have you seen our O-Line lately? And yes you can bump one inside. There is not one O-Lineman on the team who is a lock to be on the team in 2022 besides Lane. You, like most people on this board, overvalue Mailata like crazy. Dillard has proven nothing and it’s way too early to say Driscoll is a reason not to go OL. 
 

You can never have enough quality depth on the OLine. You’d think after watching this team, that would be clear. 

Lol overvaluing mailata, he just proved he can start in this league. Driscoll played well enough for a rookie and he will be better by 2022 if you have any faith in stoutland. Dillard at the very least is a capable backup. . 

For this not to be a stupid move you have to move one inside if they're even capable of doing so. This team is too bad and has too many holes to be drafting two depth OTs back to back early in the draft.

Quarterback I am really intrigued by in next years draft is Ole Miss’s Matt Corral. He’s a dynamic player in the same mold of UNC’s Sam Howell.  Both guys are in that 6-1 range so it will be interesting to see how they are projected. 

Forget the mock drafts, we draft the OL that Stoutland wants, period.

27 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

That's using a word salad to not answer the question. Is there any part of being a GM that you think he's below average? Also, where would you rank Howie amongst his peers? 

He's average drafting on the first and second day, above average on the 3rd day, UDFAs and SFAs.

Good at identifying which FAs to sign.

He's above average with cap management, he back loaded b/c he knew he was going to rebuild at some point, 2020 or 2021, and when you rebuild, dead money doesn't matter for the first two years (b/c why add FAs who'll be at the end of their new deals when the team becomes competitive?). So it allowed him to avoid letting starters walk, he just didn't keep the right starters. They also had awful injury luck, changing the medical staff made no difference.

If Wallace and Malik don't get injured, probably a very different sequence of events (no DeSean, no Hargrave, etc.). Sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men oft go wrong.

This place is ridiculous today 

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He rebuilt the team twice, won a SB, got to two more playoffs, if we were hiring a GM from another team with that record, we'd overlook 2020 (because he wouldn't be available if there wasn't the equivalent of a 2020).

Did he make mistakes? Sure, DeSean and Jeffrey, some draft choices.

Did he have bad luck, Jerrigan, Darby, Malik, Wallace, Dillard, all good moves at the time. If they don't get hurt, last three years might be very different. All durable before they came here.

The cap is less of an issue than people make it out to be, if we're rebuilding in 2021, it's not the time to load up on FAs, Licht drafted for five years before investing in FAs, because he wanted to build a team then spend money. So we'll have some money in 2022 and a lot of money in 2023. If the rebuild goes well, 2023 is when you go grocery shopping.

Wentz helped win a SB, that justifies the deal, and they'll get a 1st (hopefully) and a 3rd back. Too bad it didn't work out, crap happens.

Reason I like Howie is he's smart, and he self-scouts, he'll want to know why things didn't work out, and not repeat the same mistakes. One of the keys to getting better is to make different mistakes, if you're not making mistakes, you're not trying, if you're making the same mistakes, you're a fool

 

 

 He does self scout, lots of GM’s do. I bet it’s worse when owners chime in as well. 
 8 1/2 months away from home visiting colleges, talking to coaches all the way down to janitors and the players girlfriends just to have the owner and or GM not listen.  But hey, even the scouts get em wrong once in awhile.

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He's average drafting on the first and second day, above average on the 3rd day, UDFAs and SFAs.

Good at identifying which FAs to sign.

He's above average with cap management, he back loaded b/c he knew he was going to rebuild at some point, 2020 or 2021, and when you rebuild, dead money doesn't matter for the first two years (b/c why add FAs who'll be at the end of their new deals when the team becomes competitive?). So it allowed him to avoid letting starters walk, he just didn't keep the right starters. They also had awful injury luck, changing the medical staff made no difference.

If Wallace and Malik don't get injured, probably a very different sequence of events (no DeSean, no Hargrave, etc.). Sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men oft go wrong.

So there's not a single thing that Howie does in his role as a GM where he's below average?

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Have you seen our O-Line lately? And yes you can bump one inside. There is not one O-Lineman on the team who is a lock to be on the team in 2022 besides Lane. You, like most people on this board, overvalue Mailata like crazy. Dillard has proven nothing and it’s way too early to say Driscoll is a reason not to go OL. 
 

You can never have enough quality depth on the OLine. You’d think after watching this team, that would be clear. 

I think Brooks had the same horrible contract that Lane had?

5 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

So there's not a single thing that Howie does in his role as a GM where he's below average?

it seems fan relations is a bit of an issue for him.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This place is ridiculous today 

only today

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

it seems fan relations is a bit of an issue for him.

I think austinfan might be his attempt to rectify that

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Probably.  It’s possible with SF at #12, but Lynch is very shrewd.  The best Howie would likely get off him is a 2021 2nd.

Trading out to #15 would put the Eagles in Jaycee Horn, Jaylen Waddle and Rashawn Slater territory I believe.  

Yeah that sounds about right

i think SF would cough up the first for a qb

i like dropping to 8 with Car pending what they do wrt Watson

1 hour ago, Peppersmacks said:

But there are roster limits.

 

Lane

Mailata

Dilliard

Driscoll

2 picks

How are you carrying six tackles on the roster?

 

You make a good case 

if we took a tackle they would need to start at guard. Slater could be an all pro G i think. Good trade back target

4 hours ago, Original Sin said:

@nflrums

 

#Eagles are expected to trade C Jason Kelce after June 1 to save 5.5 M or a release with that designation.

Except they will use their June 1 designations on M Jackson and A Jeffery. 

Jalen's definitely putting the work in.

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Jalen's definitely putting the work in.

I know that this is a meaningless twitter video, but if Hurts is one of those rare breeds that simply outworks everyone else, I think that he'll overcome his shortcomings and be a successful QB. If he can evolve into a better version of Dak, we can absolutely win another Superbowl if we surround him with real talent. 

54 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Collins is a nice looking player.   

Agreed.  Just wanted an opportunity to make fun of the fake Bucs fan troll.  

19 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

So there's not a single thing that Howie does in his role as a GM where he's below average?

I think he should wear a hat more often

 

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Agreed.  Just wanted an opportunity to make fun of the fake Bucs fan troll.  

Don’t quit your day job ,if you have one.