2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

But they know more than you do.

Okay, I won't post any of my opinions anymore without consulting you or PFF first.

Ok my turn

 

2nd crack at it.  Think I broke the game

 

10 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Ok my turn

 

If they get Ja’Marr Chase at 17 I will get a Howie Roseman tramp stamp 

If Mailata came out this year -- literally the Mailata of right now, same age and all -- with 3 years of football experience and 1 year starting with the wins on tape he had last year, he'd be a top 10 pick, no question. He was 23 last year tossing around 10 year veterans. 

Cam caught that kid talking ish later in the day and the kid shrunk like a little bish. I wish cam had really laid into him, but this was embarrassing enough 

 

17 hours ago, John_C said:

Not sure is this was posted yesterday... another " league source” report

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-mailbag-stick-jalen-hurts-why-howie-roseman-still-power

 

Alshon ???

15 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

TBH I think we're going to be better than people make it out.  Healthy OL, Goedert/Sanders/Reagor are all talented, unless we trade everyone away the DL should still be solid, NFC East should still blow, and while I'm not sold on Hurts I do think he has shown more than people give him credit for.

Unfortunately when I say "better" I'm thinking first round picks in the early to mid teens, which makes finding a franchise QB a lot harder. Hoping I'm wrong and either Hurts explodes or totally tanks, cause mediocrity could mean more Howie and meh picks over the next few years.

Yeah, if they don’t pick an early QB they need to have this thing figured out by the end of the season so Jalen hope you’re working hard, your professional career is depending on it. He looked polished enough but he needs less panic and more poise

15 hours ago, Fhalbig22 said:

Just my 2 cents on the Wentz situation...I believe with all the leaks coming out about him and then watching Howie not make any real moves to add offensive talent last offseason really destroyed his trust in the organization, he saw the cardinals make a move for Hopkins, the bills trade for Diggs while the eagles went out and paid another DT 13 mil a year...so then the draft comes and they are in range for Lamb and they don’t move up, they have Jefferson fall right into their laps and they go with Reagor, and then obviously the Hurts pick was the straw that really broke the camels back...none of this excuses Wentz’s regression and he’s to blame for that but I believe he was mentally checked out from this organization before the start of the 2020 season, and as the season went on he was caught in that quicksand and there was no way out...I was a big Wentz believer, I thought he was one of the next all time greats but it was best for the organization and Wentz to move on, hopefully Howie learns from this and supports his QB or Lurie wakes up and fires Howie if things stay the same...Go Birds 

Howie needs to do a better job vetting fo sho

15 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I'd argue a huge reason for the offense sputtering was playcalling, a crumbling OL and Wentz's absolute refusal to throw shallow YAC routes (which I think would have helped Sanders and Reagor statistically a lot).  Talent was certainly also an issue but I guess I'm also putting a huge portion of the issues on scheme. We'll see if Sirianni can do anything about that. 

And while I think the OL is likely to have huge injury concerns, last year's OL injury luck was about as low as you can get.

So yeah, I don't think they're gonna be good.  But I'm predicting like a 5-7 win team next year in a bad division. Which IMO is a crappy place to be in if we start the franchise QB hunt at that point. 

Just put Sudfeld in the 4th every game, problem solved

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Why would you want the Colts to suck? They aren't in our division or even conference

Because if they suck, without Carson being bad enough to be benched, then our pick is better. 

11 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Seems really grabby. 
 

love surtains techniques but i have a concern about his speed. Maybe he fits us best now

Haha you and I are gonna disagree again here.  Surtain is great at the LOS...he's terrible at the catch point.  His hips are stiff and he's often flat footed, he's a great athlete but he can't take advantage of it.  He has long arms which help him at the college level.  NFL wise, if he stays at CB (which I think he shouldn't, he'd make a great hybrid Jenkins type player) he's got #2 upside.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If they get Ja’Marr Chase at 17 I will get a Howie Roseman tramp stamp 

And trey lance at 70?  Just a waste of time

15 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, I guess I have to ‘fess up’ to being a racist — because I wanted Ryan Howard to wear a pair of eyeglasses so he could see an off speed pitch, and I watched Rollins dog it numerous times, hit .240 and strikeout instead of putting the ball in play and running hard.
 

I despised the fact Scott Rolen would go into massive slumps and Pat Burrell had all the talent in the world, but hit .260 or lower almost every season — I could have sworn those guys were white, but they must have been black, because I’m a racist.  People on this board are sick and tired of me roasting Scott Kingery because he’s a waste of a roster spot and Krapler used to have him on the field every day at the expense of better players — I thought those two guys were white too ......

What this ‘woke’ writer of the article can’t or won’t grasp is you have only one starting QB and you view that QB (at least I view that QB, whoever it is) based on whether he has the upside to get the team to a championship.  Before 2020 the vast majority of Eagles fans saw Wentz having that upside.  I can’t imagine anybody with a straight face saying they see Super Bowl in Jalen Hurts’ future — not at this point, anyway.

To your original quote, though — Deshaun Watson IS a black guy, and he IS pulling this ‘SH!T’ — do you think the national media and public has been harder on him, or Carson Wentz?  Before you answer — ask yourself if you’re a racist or not.

I as well, I just thought he was treated fairly and professionally here. They even changed the coach for him but he just wanted out, seems he demanded it. I guess not a warrior like Dawkins who would’ve deserved the fan support, even TO rehabbing in such a short time frame and practically winning that SB but I guess a bad example and a very bad decision by the team of which the fanbase agreed with at that time. He blew off the team and it’s fans there should be no unrequited love. Think fans wouldn’t choose to be scorned if he were black and would just consider him a malcontent which obviously he was. Every malcontent has reasons and sometimes it matters and other times it’s what can we do ?

15 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

I hope Wentz wins one in Indy just to make howie look incompetent. Bc thats what he is. Winning went completely to his head.

managing success can be very difficult

You root for Wentz I’ll root for Howie

15 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

His arm strength is fine for a normal QB...the problem is he's a running QB, he doesn't have the arm to make the plays he wants to at the NFL level.  You have to completely brainwash the kid into thinking he's Lt Dan in order for him to be successful in the NFL.  He can not throw on the run...period.  He'll make some 'flashy throws' on scramble drills to his right, but you force him to his left and he's done.  He has average at best arm strength and that works only when you can sit and plant.  I doubt we will ever see another Brees again in any of our lifetimes.

I saw that problem but he has to avoid running for his life because as you said throwing while running away he ain’t good at and better to just throw it away than a pick. Improved OL play will help some

12 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I think a modest trade down (pick 12 would be my limit) is the right move.

My fear is that this team pulls a Browns at the height of their stupidity and trades down 3 or 4 times, winds up in the late teens/early 20s, and we hear how smart the team is for getting "more darts to throw at the board" or "more bites at the apple," and then eventually winds up with a bunch of Keenan Claytons and Mike Kafkas to show for it. No thanks.

I’d trade with Miami, they can afford it and I’m sure at 6 at least 2 of Chase, Smith or Pitts sitting there at 6. We have a lot of upgrades to make so the more picks in the top 100 the better. I think 18, 50 and next years 2nd is fair. To me 2 OL, 1 WR, 1 RB and the rest on D the more the merrier

On 2/20/2021 at 9:48 AM, RLC said:

I am curious what we could get from Jalen Hurts in a trade, should we want to use the 6th overall pick on a QB. Hurts should enough that he has trade value. He's already a good backup QB and competent spot-starter. If a team with a shaky QB situation OR an aging QB (Pittsburgh, Chicago, Carolina, SF, NE) doesn't have a QB solution by April, he might be able to fetch a 2nd/3rd back. 

Hurts would start, the rook would carry a clip board. 

12 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Have you seen our O-Line lately? And yes you can bump one inside. There is not one O-Lineman on the team who is a lock to be on the team in 2022 besides Lane. You, like most people on this board, overvalue Mailata like crazy. Dillard has proven nothing and it’s way too early to say Driscoll is a reason not to go OL. 
 

You can never have enough quality depth on the OLine. You’d think after watching this team, that would be clear. 

That’s worst case scenario but yes I agree the OL should be heavily weighted in this OL strong draft. Saying that I think if Sewell is still there at 6 I think trade back is the smart move if <20 pick because I think it’s overkill with M,D and L. I guess they could trade either Mailata or Dillard to fit but really haven't even seen the guy play. I guess they have enough inside info to determine if they overdrafted him

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I think it's funny that we assume someone will learn to play the position at a high level just because some of the physical tools are there. He's still raw as hell, and learning the technique to play LT at an NFL level isn't a given. It's easier to learn on the fly at a lower level first (high school FB and then college). That allows you to win some battles and lose some. You gain experience and that develops skill. But going from 0 to 100 is a major challenge for anyone trying to learn a new skill.

He's still very good for being "raw" then

4 hours ago, The guy in France said:

You root for Wentz I’ll root for Howie

Would be consistent with your political tastes...

1 minute ago, DumbleBear said:

Really don't like the draft much anymore.  It's all just agent fueled hype.  Think about it. If it weren't , why would organizations like Insert Player "Agency" exist? 

Heck Hollywood went so far as to push the separate stardom of the agent. Can't put the genie back in the bottle but it's weak as hell. 

Are you a new version of Shocker? 

Plenty of stuff in here. 

Wentz’s agent told the Eagles on a conference call along with Wentz/Howie that it would be best for the QB to move on ... the Eagles granted him permission to talk to teams about a deal ... Ballard gave Howie a deadline ... Wentz talked with Doug only through text after the benching was made permanent. 

From Peter King / FMIA:

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Philadelphia: Has the Lombardi Trophy been fired, or traded?

Three years ago this month, after the Eagles’ stunning 41-33 Super Bowl victory over New England, I wrote a deep dive about the winning touchdown in the game—Wristband 145, I called it, because that’s what coach Doug Pederson called into the ear of quarterback Nick Foles before the play. Foles, super-subbing for injured franchise QB Carson Wentz, called the play next to "145” on the band: "Gun left trey, open buster star motion . . . 383 X follow Y slant.” The call resulted in a 11-yard TD pass to Zach Ertz, giving Philly a 38-33 lead with 2:21 left.

The play was not in the original 194-play game plan of the Eagles. Early in Super Bowl week, receivers coach Mike Groh went to offensive coordinator Frank Reich with an idea he thought would flummox the Patriots: a single receiver (Zach Ertz) to the left, three receivers (Trey Burton, Nelson Agholor, Alshon Jeffery) in a triangle to the right, a back (Corey Clement) in "star,” or sprinting, motion behind the triangle. One receiver to the left, four to the right. The Eagles, through Reich’s and Groh’s research, thought the Patriots would cover Ertz alone. Pederson called it. Groh and Reich were right—Ertz was singled. That touchdown gave the Eagles their first Lombardi Trophy in franchise history.

Look at the key men in that play, and in that offensive powerhouse, who I just mentioned. And look at what’s happened in 36 months:

Doug Pederson: Gone. Fired last month after going 23-27-1 in the 51 games since the Super Bowl.

Nick Foles: Gone. Signed as a free agent in Jacksonville in 2019, traded to Chicago in 2020. Status for 2021 uncertain.

Carson Wentz: Gone. Traded to Indianapolis—after finishing 35th of 36 QBs in passer rating in 2020 and being benched by Pederson.

Zach Ertz: Very likely gone. Cap-strapped Eagles could save $4.7 million on the cap by trading or releasing him.

Mike Groh: Gone. Promoted to offensive coordinator in 2018, fired after 2019 season. Now receivers coach for Indianapolis.

Frank Reich: Gone. Departed two weeks after Super Bowl win to be Indianapolis’ head coach.

Trey Burton: Gone. Signed free-agent deal with Chicago in 2018. Now tight end in Indianapolis.

Nelson Agholor: Gone. Signed free-agent deal with Las Vegas in 2020.

Alshon Jeffery: Very likely gone. Should be a cap casualty this spring after missing 19 games due to injury in last three years.

Corey Clement: Likely gone. Unrestricted free agent. Buried on Eagles’ depth chart. Looking for a better role elsewhere.

The team as a whole, poof! Gone, into thin air. Doug Pederson’s last four years: Super Bowl win, playoffs, playoffs, 4-11-1 . . . fired. Whaaaaat? What has happened in sports?! Assuming Ertz and Jeffery are let go, all six starting skill players from the Super Bowl, gone. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, 14 years younger than Super Bowl champ Bruce Arians, retired at 54. Leader of the secondary, Malcolm Jenkins, gone. Special-teams captain Chris Maragos, retired. There might be a team in the 55-year history of Super Bowl that has dissolved faster than these Philadelphia Eagles, but I can’t think of one.

Wentz with the Lombardi Trophy, in February 2018. (Getty Images)

Craziest thing: This was a playoff team in 2018 and 2019. The year after winning the Super Bowl, Foles had them 27 yards from the end zone in New Orleans, 27 yards from the NFC Championship Game . . . but an interception wrecked that drive. In 2019, with Wentz finally starting a playoff game for the Eagles, he lasted eight minutes before being concussed and exiting the game. Then came the incendiary 2020 season, starting with drafting Jalen Hurts in the second round, continuing with Pederson missing the first two weeks of training camp with COVID-19, and Wentz playing poorly from the start. Plenty of blame to go around here, but the best point in this was made by Bucky Brooks of NFL Media: Being a starting quarterback in the NFL is not a lifetime appointment. Wentz didn’t think he should have been yanked. Did he watch his own tape?

The other day, Mike Florio’s Pro Football Talk TV show on NBC Sports Network played a clip from an interview with GM Howie Roseman, who has presided over the dissolution. Roseman, speaking less than 10 months ago, said this about Wentz: "We love Carson Wentz. We showed it with our actions. We showed it when we traded everything to go get him. We showed it when we paid him with that contract. It’s not like we’re trying to get out of that contract. We’re committed to that.”

This is why you don’t hear the Eagles, through off-the-record or unsourced material, defending the picks acquired in trade with Indianapolis. That’s because the Eagles didn’t win here. They may have made the right move in jettisoning Wentz; they likely couldn’t have brought him back without moving Hurts, and if Wentz played poorly in 2021, he was likely unmovable because of the $47.5 million in guarantees in his contract. It’s no-win for the Eagles. If Wentz plays great in Indy, the Eagles mishandled him and will be set back years in franchise development. If Wentz flops in Indy, the Eagles mishandled him and will be set back years in franchise development.

Over the weekend, in talking to two people who know the inner workings of the Eagles, it’s clear that there is a stunned disbelief inside the team from Lurie on down. A year ago, Pederson and Wentz were the keystones for the future of the franchise. Today, it’s almost inconceivable Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts are the coach and quarterback, and the franchise is cap-strapped with so few young building-block players. It used to be that a coach with recent Super Bowl currency wouldn’t get erased after one bad year. It used to be that a struggling young quarterback would take his medicine and fight to get his position back, not semi-force a trade so soon after making his money.

Roseman is public enemy number one with an angry fan base right now. "Angry” is a mild term, most likely. Philadelphia is mad as hell at the Eagles, and at Roseman. "I hate Howie Roseman with a passion now,” Eagles fan (presumably) Adam Michalesko tweeted after the trade. "I don’t want to be a fan anymore.” (Rumor has it he’ll be wearing a green jersey come September.) The Super Bowl seems 13 years ago, not three. But that’s the NFL world now, where spite is routing patience.

What’s more inconceivable to me is that this historic collapse was not accompanied by the requisite change in personnel leadership.  The collapse is unprecedented, and now "outsiders” that cover the league are realizing it.  But somehow the same people are still in charge.  Confirms everything speculated about this owner for me. He and not his "son” would be who I hold most accountable.

I have this vision of these two idiots wandering around Nova Care in "stunned disbelief.”  How could this happen?  Why did our MVP candidate franchise QB crash and burn?  Why does he hate us so much?  Why did our SB winning coach become so stupid?

They are looking for answers.... but unfortunately there are no mirrors in the complex.  The mirrors have been replaced with player Fat Heads, along with pictures of SB 52 and Jalen Hurts.  

1 minute ago, DumbleBear said:

Howie has balls.  He did look into your Black Mirror and knows he made the wrong call. That's life. 

You move on. 

Agree he (really Lurie) knows they made the wrong call.  He’s made nothing but wrong calls since 2017.  It doesn’t take "balls” to do something you are forced to do.  They had no option to bring Wentz back.  He wasn’t coming back.  That’s your definition of balls?

The worst drafting team in the league is also the only team that makes insane decisions.

If the owner wants to keep doing this and keep his son in place, this team is going nowhere good.  That’s just reality.