11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If they get Ja’Marr Chase at 17 I will get a Howie Roseman tramp stamp 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Avery was a MIKE at Memphis.  He projected better as a LB in the pros than he did as a DE.  Now, he was a big MIKE weighing in at 255 despite being 6’.  He weighed in at the Combine at 248 (still a big MIKE) and ran a 4.59 forty with a 6.90 three cone and a bit disappointing 4.38 short shuttle.  He bulked up to play DE but LB, including some rush LB (check out Indy’s D) makes good sense for him.  He graded in 2018 as a fourth rounder on most boards.  I can see with that size and speed how the Eagles might have seen potential for some BG in him but I think he is more naturally a LB.  The Eagles have some solid athletes at LB although all green.  Instincts are a huge part of that and TJ is the one with natural LB instincts.  We may be surprised with the quality of LB play without all the responsibilities that a wide 9 LB has. I am not saying the Eagles can’t upgrade but I think there is at least some solid depth in the group.  

If there is one position in our 4-3 defense (at least with Schwartz) where you don't need a raw athlete, it's LB.  Need to read, react, be smooth in transition, and tackle well.  And that's exactly the position where we stacked up on huge explosive athletes with no idea how to play football.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If his rookie year debut at RT is any indication, I'd say he has a long way to go to become a depth cusion.

No doubt.  Some truly horrible draft picks over the last 5 years.  We can talk about it until we're red in the face.  It's impossible to defend Howie.

One thing you notice with the draft picks is they tend to make moves based off of what other teams might want.

We heard the Texans wanted Dillard so they moved up for him.

The Patriots wanted Hurts, so they took him.

The Cowboys wanted DG so they took him.

Apparently the Saints or 49ers wanted Reagor so take him.

What about drafting the players that are best for the team regardless of what other teams want or need.  That's not how to build a team.  

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Here it is.  Its only the first 10 minutes or so.

Chris Long Podcast addressing Wentz and Eagles.

Thanks for posting. I think he was really even-handed. I pretty much agree with everything he said. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

No doubt.  Some truly horrible draft picks over the last 5 years.  We can talk about it until we're red in the face.  It's impossible to defend Howie.

One thing you notice with the draft picks is they tend to make moves based off of what other teams might want.

We heard the Texans wanted Dillard so they moved up for him.

The Patriots wanted Hurts, so they took him.

The Cowboys wanted DG so they took him.

Apparently the Saints or 49ers wanted Reagor so take him.

What about drafting the players that are best for the team regardless of what other teams want or need.  That's not how to build a team.  

The counterpoint to that...are they making moves based on what other teams might want, or are they just consistently putting out rumors and narratives that other teams were about to scoop up our draft picks to prop up their decision-making?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The counterpoint to that...are they making moves based on what other teams might want, or are they just consistently putting out rumors and narratives that other teams were about to scoop up our draft picks to prop up their decision-making?

I wouldn't be surprised anymore with this FO.  They are just slime.

Just now, bpac55 said:

I wouldn't be surprised anymore with this FO.  They are just slime.

No reason to insult slime

I really don't think the Eagles are interested in drafting a qb round 1.

The Eagles have made extensive efforts to manipulate the rumor mill this offseason and in recent years.  I think they are doing the same thing with the QB whispers.  Stack the deck at QB in front of us so that the board at #6 has the most options of non-QB's...and so that teams trying to trade in front of us are doing it for QBs.  Also, if you enable the QB feeding frenzy, maybe it increases the price of a team looking to trade into #6 for one.

I firmly believe the Eagles are feeding those rumors.  They want to see through their controversial Hurts investment, at least for 2021.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Thanks for posting. I think he was really even-handed. I pretty much agree with everything he said. 

Same.

You could tell though that he's trying not to say he's "soft" though.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really don't think the Eagles are interested in drafting a qb round 1.

The Eagles have made extensive efforts to manipulate the rumor mill this offseason and in recent years.  I think they are doing the same thing with the QB whispers.  Stack the deck at QB in front of us so that the board at #6 has the most options of non-QB's...and so that teams trying to trade in front of us are doing it for QBs.  Also, if you enable the QB feeding frenzy, maybe it increases the price of a team looking to trade into #6 for one.

I firmly believe the Eagles are feeding those rumors.  They want to see through their controversial Hurts investment, at least for 2021.

You are probably correct, but I'm not willing to eliminate the possibility of Roseman doing something stupid.

He is, after all , the smartest person in the NFL.

Some of the nonsense here . . .

Dillard was projected in the top 20, when he fell, Stoutland lobbied for him as he did for Mailata, he loves big athletes he can mold. Dillard would have started at LT last year if he doesn't tear his bicep - if he was written into that role, it's because Stoutland saw him as the starter. He'll compete with Mailata, and Mailata will move to RT when Lane has the inevitable injury (just don't trust his ankle until he plays 16 games).

Avery fit the mold of players Schwartz has used in the elephant/joker role, Schwartz just didn't know what to do with him when he got him, then Sweat stepped into that role. Note Howie also drafted Toohill, brought in Hall, similar types, that's a Schwartz move. Gannon, coming out of the Indy defense, likes tall DL, all of Indy's DEs were 6'3 to 6'5. So since Avery doesn't fit what he likes on the DL, they're going to try him at LB where he has experience and the athleticism to at least be worth a look.

None of this has to do with "saving face."

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Same.

You could tell though that he's trying not to say he's "soft" though.

That's funny I couldn't tell that at all. But I'm not surprised that you though that

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

If I were a meddlesome owner who wanted to call the shots with minimal accountability, I'd look for a young coach and young staff with a solid track record of developing fundamentals with players (about which I know nothing) so that Howie and I could dictate the rest.  That's exactly what they did.

What candidates didn't fit that mold? Meyers, McDaniels, both of which have serious questions (you don't like Howie, check the mess McDaniels left behind in Denver).

14 minutes ago, greend said:

That's funny I couldn't tell that at all. But I'm not surprised that you though that

He literally said that the GM didn't understand the player enough and talked about QB insecurity.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Yep and those are Malik Jackson and Alshon Jeffery, both vested veterans not subject to waivers, who renegotiated their salary numbers in return for free agency and probably some minimal guarantee that will allow the Eagles to spread their dead cap over two years. (Cap will skyrocket next year with the new TV contracts so @Iggles_Phan fears over dead cap money going into future years is less of a burden.). Those two make the best sense.  In essence, the difference in cutting them without those designations this year and with is close to $12 million in cap,hit this year.  The only other player that comes close to that this year is BG and I just don’t see them cutting him. He has three more pretend years on his contract so I expect they fashion some of his salary this year as signing bonus to spread its hit into those pretend years. 

Everyone's whining about cap management, but gee, they'll have some room in 2022 and have loads of room in 2023.

So basically the stupid GM back loaded deals that will mostly be off the books after two years of rebuilding, which he knew was coming.

Now if you want to argue that he spent the extra money he created on the wrong players (well, DeSean and Jeffrey, the others were bad luck), that's another matter.

Though from some of the stuff coming out, I think DeSean may partially have been Lurie's guilt over allowing Chip to throw him away.

The season that hurts is 2018, if Wallace and Jerrigan stay healthy, though Wentz was struggling to get it back, he really didn't play any better than Foles that season. After that, it reminds me of the Phillies in 2011-12 and the Flyers when Pronger got injured, just not willing to accept the window was closing and desperately trying for one more run. It's natural to want to compete, and hard to accept that it's time to start over.

49 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No doubt.  Some truly horrible draft picks over the last 5 years.  We can talk about it until we're red in the face.  It's impossible to defend Howie.

One thing you notice with the draft picks is they tend to make moves based off of what other teams might want.

We heard the Texans wanted Dillard so they moved up for him.

The Patriots wanted Hurts, so they took him.

The Cowboys wanted DG so they took him.

Apparently the Saints or 49ers wanted Reagor so take him.

What about drafting the players that are best for the team regardless of what other teams want or need.  That's not how to build a team.  

Did the Cowboys take Lamb because they knew the Eagles wanted him even though they didnt need a WR?

I believe that could be the case.  Maybe they wanted to keep Lamb away from us.  It bothers me because Dallas has 3 dynamic, playmaking WRs while we cant even find one.

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What candidates didn't fit that mold? Meyers, McDaniels, both of which have serious questions (you don't like Howie, check the mess McDaniels left behind in Denver).

OK.

I realize I am negative a lot.  I do want 22 probowlers at 22 positions.  I am stubborn and have a hard time getting on board with ideas and personnel moves that deviate from what I'd do.  That rubs people the wrong way.  But on the off chance that the Eagles do something I wanted or (or something that I didn't that turns out well), I'm happy to support it.  

You're just turning into a comedic sideshow of relentlessly defending the indefensible.  Predictable stance on everything.  You wanted Mcnaniels and defended the potential hire when all reports had him as the leader in the clubhouse.  You said you'd be dissatisfied with the return Wentz got and now you defend it.  (for the record, I think it's a reasonable return).  It's just an old, exhausting shtick.  I don't understand why you do it.  You overplayed your hand with it and no one besides JR takes you seriously.

57 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If there is one position in our 4-3 defense (at least with Schwartz) where you don't need a raw athlete, it's LB.  Need to read, react, be smooth in transition, and tackle well.  And that's exactly the position where we stacked up on huge explosive athletes with no idea how to play football.

If Avery provides solid depth in the middle with maybe some packages and good play on STs, that is kind of the usual expectation of a fourth round LB.  Memphis is in my alma mater’s Conference so I watch a lot of their games.  Avery was a decent MIKE IIRC.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

This twitter thread would be worthwhile for se here. 

 

 

Hurts pushed the ball down the field yet strangely, his adjusted yards per attempt would put him around 25th. Yeah, really chucking it deep.

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Thanks for posting. I think he was really even-handed. I pretty much agree with everything he said. 

The funny part is how Hurts would be better in NO, uh, NO hasn't developed QBs, they have Brees who was fully formed when he arrived, Taysom Hill, Hurts look better. Bridgewater played well there, but again, a finished product. NO is a great place for veteran QBs. Not sure it's a great place for a young QB.

Developing a QB is different than utilizing a QB.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Hurts pushed the ball down the field yet strangely, his adjusted yards per attempt would put him around 25th. Yeah, really chucking it deep.

I think adjusted YPA includes sacks. Try again.

This is a fascinating comment

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The funny part is how Hurts would be better in NO, uh, NO hasn't developed QBs, they have Brees who was fully formed when he arrived, Taysom Hill, Hurts look better. Bridgewater played well there, but again, a finished product. NO is a great place for veteran QBs. Not sure it's a great place for a young QB.

Developing a QB is different than utilizing a QB.

I think adjusted YPA includes sacks. Try again.

Even his normal Y/A would have him in the 20s. Try again.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Did the Cowboys take Lamb because they knew the Eagles wanted him even though they didnt need a WR?

I believe that could be the case.  Maybe they wanted to keep Lamb away from us.  It bothers me because Dallas has 3 dynamic, playmaking WRs while we cant even find one.

It's possible but Dallas just knows how to draft good players too.  CeeDee Lamb falls into your lap and you can replace Randall Cobb with him that's a no brainer.  Surround Dak with as many weapons as possible.  

People argue that they needed a corner but they got Trevon Diggs in the 2nd, who I think is going to be a very good pro despite a poor rookie year.  I'm also pretty anti-corner in the 1st unless he's Patrick Peterson with the NFL being geared towards offense.

You surround your QB with as many playmakers as possible.  Something the Eagles failed to do with Carson and I hope they don't make the same mistake with Hurts.  This is especially important if your QB isn't carrying the team on his back.  With good play calling and weapons all around him Hurts can manage an NFL offense.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

OK.

I realize I am negative a lot.  I do want 22 probowlers at 22 positions.  I am stubborn and have a hard time getting on board with ideas and personnel moves that deviate from what I'd do.  That rubs people the wrong way.  But on the off chance that the Eagles do something I wanted or (or something that I didn't that turns out well), I'm happy to support it.  

You're just turning into a comedic sideshow of relentlessly defending the indefensible.  Predictable stance on everything.  You wanted Mcnaniels and defended the potential hire when all reports had him as the leader in the clubhouse.  You said you'd be dissatisfied with the return Wentz got and now you defend it.  (for the record, I think it's a reasonable return).  It's just an old, exhausting shtick.  I don't understand why you do it.  You overplayed your hand with it and no one besides JR takes you seriously.

I didn't want McDaniels, he's acknowledged as a first rate football mind, but a 3rd rate people manager and incompetent at personnel, but he wants that power anyway. He said the right things, but . . .

I said I expected a 1st and 3rd for Wentz, I noted given that the second 1st for Stafford was 2023, it was more like a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for him, so there's not a huge gap.

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

The Malik Jackson contract not being worse than the Alshon Jeffrey contract is truly a spectacular failure. #FireHowie

And that's supposed to be Howies strength. What Chip did to the cap was a wheel barrel full of crap on fire, Howies is a whole damn dump truck. How this guy gets any passes is beyond me