The Malik contract was fine, he was a perfect fit next to Cox, also very durable, comes to Philly and his career is over due to injury. Lis Franc for a guy who depends on first step explosion. A healthy Malik could have been a double digit guy with Cox eating double teams, but we never saw that guy - he was perfect for a one gap system.

The injury luck was crazy, Wallace, never hurt in his career, Darby, couldn't stay on the field until he leaves, Hicks couldn't stay on the field, and so on.

The whole reason they signed Malik b/c Jerrigan hurt his neck.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

The counterpoint to that...are they making moves based on what other teams might want, or are they just consistently putting out rumors and narratives that other teams were about to scoop up our draft picks to prop up their decision-making?

Ill take the latter.   

I have to say @austinfan I admire how you pretty much ignore the slights and respond to the football part of the question.  I think you are at times unduly willing to forgive Eagles errors in your optimism for the team.  You are polar opposite to some of the negativity in here at times and do get some interesting discussions going.  I suspect at times that some of it is age, and some of it goes to being a fan throughout the real lean years.  

That said, you have to admit it is appalling into the depths the combination of Doug with his 300 offensive coaches and Schwartz with a half dozen have taken the back seven on defense.  It is like Schwartz was so enamored with his wide nine that he forgot about the rest of the defense and Lowie and Pederson enabled that. Add to that apparent whiffs on Douglas and Jones (how does anyone identify those two on the same team, slow and big ball hawk with light finesse CB)?  Makes no sense that Mills, Douglas and Jones would fit in the same secondary. 

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• 7.
  Ja'Marr Chase

  WR LSU
  
• 37.
  Tyson Campbell

  CB Georgia
   
• 49.
  Zaven Collins

  LB Tulsa
  
• 79.
  Trey Smith

  OG Tennessee
  
• 157.
  Richard LeCounte

  S Georgia
   
• 191.
  Paris Ford

  S Pitt
   
• 220.
  LaBryan Ray

  DT Alabama

   

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

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• 7.
  Ja'Marr Chase

  WR LSU
  
• 37.
  Tyson Campbell

  CB Georgia
   
• 49.
  Zaven Collins

  LB Tulsa
  
• 79.
  Trey Smith

  OG Tennessee
  
• 157.
  Richard LeCounte

  S Georgia
   
• 191.
  Paris Ford

  S Pitt
   
• 220.
  LaBryan Ray

  DT Alabama

   

Your Colts will love that 

think i like this one better. the more i experiment, i think 12 is as far as I would be comfortable dropping back

• 12.
  DeVonta Smith

  WR Alabama
  
• 37.
  Trevon Moehrig

  S TCU
   
• 43.
  Wyatt Davis

  OG Ohio State
  
• 70.
  Jabril Cox

  LB LSU
   
• 151.
  Paulson Adebo

  CB Stanford
   
• 157.
  Jaret Patterson

  RB Buffalo
   
• 191.
  Trevon Grimes

  WR Florida
   
• 220.
  Noah Gray

  TE Duke
   
• 232.
  Khyiris Tonga

  DT BYU

 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I have to say @austinfan I admire how you pretty much ignore the slights and respond to the football part of the question.  I think you are at times unduly willing to forgive Eagles errors in your optimism for the team.  You are polar opposite to some of the negativity in here at times and do get some interesting discussions going.  I suspect at times that some of it is age, and some of it goes to being a fan throughout the real lean years.  

That said, you have to admit it is appalling into the depths the combination of Doug with his 300 offensive coaches and Schwartz with a half dozen have taken the back seven on defense.  It is like Schwartz was so enamored with his wide nine that he forgot about the rest of the defense and Lowie and Pederson enabled that. Add to that apparent whiffs on Douglas and Jones (how does anyone identify those two on the same team, slow and big ball hawk with light finesse CB)?  Makes no sense that Mills, Douglas and Jones would fit in the same secondary. 

Actually I don't think Schwartz was running a wide 9, a one gap system, but he had two physical DEs who focused as much on sealing the edge as rushing the passer. That was a change from his early days, and in some ways is similar to what Indy does, just that the Indy DC also values LBs and DBs. What secondary scheme was Schwartz running? Some cover 1 without a true FS, some cover 3, really soft coverage (can anyone press?). Bend but don't break taken to an extreme. He shows up, doesn't want Rowe but they draft Douglas? I get the feeling he just didn't know what he wanted to do, though Darby getting injured every year didn't help.

The reason I'm more forgiving of GM errors is every team makes them. Licht is a better drafter than Howie (though different context, he was building from scratch when it's easier to draft) but worse at finding value elsewhere. NE doesn't draft well, but Belichick is the king of one to two year discarded veteran deals and getting these guys to play at a high level. Howie showed he can handle the cap, the last three years was a deliberate strategy based on knowing there was a small window and the rebuild was coming (and the new TV contract, COVID was a shock to the system). And he calculated correctly, they'll be out of the hole next year and flush in 2023.

What I like about Sirianni and Gannon is they've developed players, same with Michaels at TE, Stoutland at OL, Rucker at DL. If you're rebuilding you want coaches who can teach, when the rebuild is over, you find out if they can switch gears from player development to winning games. If not, you've got a talented roster in place for the next HC.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Yes, if anything you should hold someone who has no bias higher. 

and I'm not "rooting" for anything

My guess...

2021 -  Hurts 5-11. We realize he's not our guy

2022 -  Not bad enough to get a franchise QB in the top 5 so we FA and get Mariota and go 6-10

2023 (see above) and we trade for Derek Carr and go 8-8

2024 we draft someone late in the first... Rookie year he stinks

2025 he still stinks

2026 he really stinks and we realized we made a mistake 

 

If we are 5-11 next year we will be well within range to move up in the draft for a QB if the Eagles want. 

I think Hurts wins us 6-7 games next season and shows enough that he can be the guy if they can put together a good team around him. 

22 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont know if it's a good thing or bad thing that EVERY mock draft I see has the Eagles taking someone different

Very bad.

That means two things to me.

1. The Eagles have a ton of holes all over the roster.

2. There aren't any established top prospects at their position. Just a bunch of "maybe this guy"'. 

Belichick is the best football mind in the world...and I'll agree that he doesn't draft well.  The Pats are no model for drafting success.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Very bad.

That means two things to me.

1. The Eagles have a ton of holes all over the roster.

2. There aren't any established top prospects at their position. Just a bunch of "maybe this guy"'. 

The first part is very true. The second one I think is true for certain positions (CB for sure IMO) but I'd argue with the early WRs it has more to do with talent.  Chase, Smith, Waddle and Pitts are all very good prospects and I can see an argument for all of them early. Even the late first early second receivers are really intriguing. 

5 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Well the SB Champs didn't even have a winning record last year. 

Jus' sayin'

 

What's more interesting is they scored 458 points in 2019 with Winston throwing 30 Ints, and 492 points with Brady.

Guess Brady just stepped into a really good situation.

And they did what I expect the Eagles to do, built the team, and when Koettler couldn't win, broght in Arians.

Sirianni will get a two year grace period, then 1-2 years to show he can win with the team he helped build, and if not, they'll bring in a veteran HC.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Eagles had 4 wins this year and the experts dont think they have enough to get to #3 for Wilson/Fields. 

Hurts isnt the answer. the quicker eveyrone realizes it the better of this team is

You don't know, I don't know, Brady, Wilson, Dak weren't considered starting QBs, Warner was a scrub.

We'll have a much better idea come January 2022.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

The first part is very true. The second one I think is true for certain positions (CB for sure IMO) but I'd argue with the early WRs it has more to do with talent.  Chase, Smith, Waddle and Pitts are all very good prospects and I can see an argument for all of them early. Even the late first early second receivers are really intriguing. 

I probably butchered what I meant. There are good prospects, but no guys like in past drafts where you say "no way Okudah makes it past 5" or "Bosa/Young is going to be a top 3 pick". There is a consensus #1 pick, then there is a mostly consensus #2 and after that its just a crap shoot of what these mock drafters are doing. It just shows that it's not as top heavy as like 2016 when the first 5ish picks were practically cemented. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Collins will be gone before 49.  My guess is late 1st early 2nd.  

i agree but thats what the sim gave me

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I think it was Ace Nova or Mike I told  — all I expect from Hurts this season is a basic progression.  62% passing, 11 yards per completion, 3:1 TD/INT ratio.

The first two of those are pedestrian NFL QB numbers, but let’s see him at least get there

I'd take that, but it is not enough to put the team over the top.

His biggest hurdle with that stat line will be turnovers. At OU, he threw 9 and fumbled 9 times.  This year, he threw 4 and fumbled 9.  He runs around alot and gets sacked alot.  My point - putting the ball in bad positions isn't just a rookie issue.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You don't know, I don't know, Brady, Wilson, Dak weren't considered starting QBs, Warner was a scrub.

We'll have a much better idea come January 2022.

You go, Howie! CYA.

59 minutes ago, RLC said:

He literally said that the GM didn't understand the player enough and talked about QB insecurity.

He literally also said that it didn't mean anything other than that. And it was nothing against Carson.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Very bad.

That means two things to me.

1. The Eagles have a ton of holes all over the roster.

2. There aren't any established top prospects at their position. Just a bunch of "maybe this guy"'. 

1.  yes they do

2.  probably true sitting at 6

3.  new staff with a "maybe" QB means nobody has any damn idea how the eagles might go at this draft.

This whole up and coming draft reaks of a shae gil and zhaire smith situation from a football stand point. To me even if you trade down a few spots you should pick Parsons.  Then the TE Freiermuth in the second. It seems simple enough to figure out.  If the wide receiver Terrance from LSU is there in the third, you take him. Then grab a center and a couple of corners.

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What's more interesting is they scored 458 points in 2019 with Winston throwing 30 Ints, and 492 points with Brady.

Guess Brady just stepped into a really good situation.

And they did what I expect the Eagles to do, built the team, and when Koettler couldn't win, broght in Arians.

Sirianni will get a two year grace period, then 1-2 years to show he can win with the team he helped build, and if not, they'll bring in a veteran HC.

so Sirianni is basically Brett Brown with a shorter leash?

26 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You don't know, I don't know, Brady, Wilson, Dak weren't considered starting QBs, Warner was a scrub.

We'll have a much better idea come January 2022.

Not encouraging that the best defense anyone can come up with for Hurts is "we don't know, it's early."  

Not...well, he's 6'5" with a huge arm and a good attitude, let's take his inaccuracy/lack of progressions, coach him up, and see how far we can take this.

Not...well, his arm isn't great, but it's good enough and the guy is such a slick, accurate, polished passer and he could be very good in the right system.

It's...well, he's raw, inaccurate, short, average arm, doesn't go through full progressions...but c'mon guys...we just don't know yet.

58 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont know if it's a good thing or bad thing that EVERY mock draft I see has the Eagles taking someone different

It’s an irrelevant thing 

35 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Eagles had 4 wins this year and the experts dont think they have enough to get to #3 for Wilson/Fields. 

Hurts isnt the answer. the quicker eveyrone realizes it the better of this team is

 

They can absolutely. I've up if they wanted but it would cost a lot. They will also have a likely second first round pick in the draft next year if they want to trade up next year. 

 

Also the rampent over the top Hurts hate that is so prevelant on this board right now is beyond pathetic. None of you people know definitively about Hurts yet.  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

They can absolutely. I've up if they wanted but it would cost a lot. They will also have a likely second first round pick in the draft next year if they want to trade up next year. 

 

Also the rampent over the top Hurts hate that is so prevelant on this board right now is beyond pathetic. None of you people know definitively about Hurts yet.  

There isn’t any Hurts "hate” — that’s a bias on your part on how you perceive it

There are concerns that his upside might not even be decent NFL starting QB — and those are based on what people have seen with their own eyes.  I don’t think anybody dislikes the guy, nor should they.  Seems like a really good dude.