4 games to judge is all these experts need. Lol

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

4 games to judge is all these experts need. Lol

Evidently it's all you need captain

12 hours ago, devpool said:

Cam caught that kid talking ish later in the day and the kid shrunk like a little bish. I wish cam had really laid into him, but this was embarrassing enough 

 

I agree with the one analyst that said the kid should be a sponge and asking all types of questions to learn stuff. You have a guy who has gone pretty high regardless of how badly he's crashed

A guy who literally is known for over the top hating Foles is saying the hate for Hurts (which there isn't really any) is pathetic. You can't make that up.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I agree with the one analyst that said the kid should be a sponge and asking all types of questions to learn stuff. You have a guy who has gone pretty high regardless of how badly he's crashed

Newton should have asked the kid what position he played and, if he said defense, offer him a chance to tackle him.  Pros vs Joes was a great show 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts didnt come out as a blue chip. He didnt come out with a huge upside. 

He came out as a 4th rounder, after basically getting cut that the Eagles drafted WAY TOO EARLY. 

He's not some monster of a man who's going to be durable forever and not be gun shy to stand in the picket

He's not some gun slinger who's going to be able to hit a 20 yard out with pinpoint 

He's a quicker Chad Pennington

If I were to nitpick, I'd say he has a better arm than Pennington, but is also a much more raw, less accurate, less advanced passer.

Caplan said the Eagles graded Hurts as a low end starter when they drafted him.

...then why take him in round 2? Why take anyone who you grade as low end anything in round 2?

If he’s right that’s pretty stupid to draft him there.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It took the greatest College football coach 3 quarters. 

Saban isn't exactly known for developing QBs.

Tony Banks, one year at Michigan State, is the best NFL QB to play under him in college.

JaMarcus Russell was a flop

Davey was a 4th rd pick who didn't nothing, McCarron a 6th rd pick, McElroy.

I'd say the best thing that happened to Hurts was being benched and going to Oklahoma, which is a QB factory.

9 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

4 games to judge is all these experts need. Lol

Yep

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There isn’t any Hurts "hate” — that’s a bias on your part on how you perceive it

There are concerns that his upside might not even be decent NFL starting QB — and those are based on what people have seen with their own eyes.  I don’t think anybody dislikes the guy, nor should they.  Seems like a really good dude.

 

It's absolutely pathetic.  I'm rooting for the kid and I really hope he has the chance to prove people like you wrong. 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Caplan said the Eagles graded Hurts as a low end starter when they drafted him.

...then why take him in round 2? Why take anyone who you grade as low end anything in round 2?

If he’s right that’s pretty stupid to draft him there.

Because you rarely find even good backup QBs after #100.

Any QB who has NFL starter potential tends to go in the first 2 rounds. Foles and Wilson going in the 3rd rd was a fluke year.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Saban isn't exactly known for developing QBs.

Tony Banks, one year at Michigan State, is the best NFL QB to play under him in college.

JaMarcus Russell was a flop

Davey was a 4th rd pick who didn't nothing, McCarron a 6th rd pick, McElroy.

I'd say the best thing that happened to Hurts was being benched and going to Oklahoma, which is a QB factory.

Out of the frying pan and into the fire!

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) Jags, Jets, Falcons arent trading thier spot for a kings ransom. Then you have Cinncy/Miami to play with but you also have 10 other teams with more draft capitol trying to get those spots. 

 

2) It's not hate. It's just a firm belief between what I saw last year, what I saw in college, everytung I read about the kid he's not a franchise NFL QN

And to piggy back on that comment I find it people like you(specifically) who hate on Howie. Who want him gone, now all off a sudden thing his Hurts Pick is going to be one of the best picks in the history of the NFL.  Literally people on here dont trust Howie at 6 but you're trying to tell me he picked a under sized, underarmed 4th round QB in the 2nd cause Howie's great as his job? 

 

 

When did I ever say or ever insinuate that the Hurts pick is one of the best in NFL history? Are you pathetic Hurts haters only capable of jumping from one hyperbolic statement to the next? 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan said the Eagles graded Hurts as a low end starter when they drafted him.

...then why take him in round 2? Why take anyone who you grade as low end anything in round 2?

If he’s right that’s pretty stupid to draft him there.

because they were drafting a backup QB. A low end started as a backup QB is a great situation to have. And they didnt have money to pay another one like Foles 9M a year. So they used a high draft pick on one to get a starter quality backup on a cheaper deal. 

13 minutes ago, greend said:

Evidently it's all you need captain

You do know that’s for trolling purposes, right? Unless it becomes real, who knows after 4 games.

56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really don't think the Eagles are interested in drafting a qb round 1.

The Eagles have made extensive efforts to manipulate the rumor mill this offseason and in recent years.  I think they are doing the same thing with the QB whispers.  Stack the deck at QB in front of us so that the board at #6 has the most options of non-QB's...and so that teams trying to trade in front of us are doing it for QBs.  Also, if you enable the QB feeding frenzy, maybe it increases the price of a team looking to trade into #6 for one.

I firmly believe the Eagles are feeding those rumors.  They want to see through their controversial Hurts investment, at least for 2021.

I believe they are feeding the rumors but I wouldn't put it past them to draft a QB. Much of the last year does not appear to be a part of some well orchestrated plan. They didn't draft Hurts with the intent of trading Wentz.  They drafted Hurts because they thought he was the best use of their 2nd round pick in terms of value to the team.  I don't think the reports that they viewed the backup QB position as a top 15 position are untrue.  I also believe Roseman when he was gushing about Hurts' ability.  I think they went into the draft with the idea of drafting a QB but I don't think the plan for the offseason was to use a 2nd round pick on a QB.  I think they reasoned themselves into using a 2nd round pick on him because they fell in love with him as a player.  They have one QB on the roster.  They likely want 3. I imagine they will sign some low cost back up.  My guess is they will still draft a QB.  I could very well see them taking a player like Fields, Lance or even Mac Jones if they think the player is worth the pick.  The other fault they have is an inability to view the roster objectively.  I think they overvalue players and picks they have made.  They may believe they have good depth at WR despite the lack of proven talent and production on the current roster.  The same could be said for CB, S and LB. When it comes to evaluating this roster, instead of viewing the roster as one with many holes and a lack of starting quality players my concern is they would gloss over the deficiencies in order to justify drafting a QB they think is better than Hurts.    

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

because they were drafting a backup QB. A low end started as a backup QB is a great situation to have. And they didnt have money to pay another one like Foles 9M a year. So they used a high draft pick on one to get a starter quality backup on a cheaper deal. 

That's not a good enough reason to draft a QB in the 2nd round IMO

I grow weary of the carping about Hurts - or any young QB - being a one-read QB. Most pass plays are one-reads, probably in the order of 75-80%. Peyton  Manning and Tom Brady know where the ball is going before the snap. What else is that but one-read? What's the coverage? Where's the FS? Are they pressing or playing off? Most of the prep work is during the week. Further, even hot-shot QBs get rattled - witness Mahomes in the SB. He looked no better than Hurts.

What bugged me with Wentz is that he regressed, in large part because he started looking at the rush. Understandable considering the beating he was taking. But even on his one-read plays he couldn't pull the trigger. He would hold the ball, lose the read, and back out of the pocket. Hurts otoh, kept his eyes downfield and his first step in bailing out was forward.

I would hate for us to draft a QB at #6. Build up the rest of the team. I think Hurts will turn out to be pretty good and none of the top-level QBs in the draft fill me with awe.

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

You do know that’s for trolling purposes, right? Unless it becomes real, who knows after 4 games.

Fair enough

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Not a hater. 

I'm saying he's not close to a franchise QB you're telling me he is. 

I say he's not an franchise QB because of X,Y,Z and you just call me a hater.

I go deeper and say A,B,C and you just say im a hater. 

At the end of the day, you think Howie made the best pick in NFL history.  To reach a round and a half, 2 rounds on someone who lost there starting job the year before because Howie knew he was the next Tom Brady would be one of the best picks in NFL History 

 

I'm not telling you he is.  I'm telling you that it can't be determined after 4 starts as a rookie, in which he showed some promising attritubes.  

But again, when did I ever say he was the best pick in NFL history or anything like that? Hard having a conversation with someone who takes the clown mentality of trying to speak only in hyperbole. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

because they were drafting a backup QB. A low end started as a backup QB is a great situation to have. And they didnt have money to pay another one like Foles 9M a year. So they used a high draft pick on one to get a starter quality backup on a cheaper deal. 

You don’t take backup QBs in the 2nd round. Especially when you can get high end starters at another position there.

From the beginning the pick only remotely made sense if they though Hurts was legit and had to take him because they really liked him, and him being a backup was only because Wentz balled out.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

I grow weary of the carping about Hurts - or any young QB - being a one-read QB. Most pass plays are one-reads, probably in the order of 75-80%. Peyton  Manning and Tom Brady know where the ball is going before the snap. What else is that but one-read? What's the coverage? Where's the FS? Are they pressing or playing off? Most of the prep work is during the week. Further, even hot-shot QBs get rattled - witness Mahomes in the SB. He looked no better than Hurts.

What bugged me with Wentz is that he regressed, in large part because he started looking at the rush. Understandable considering the beating he was taking. But even on his one-read plays he couldn't pull the trigger. He would hold the ball, lose the read, and back out of the pocket. Hurts otoh, kept his eyes downfield and his first step in bailing out was forward.

I would hate for us to draft a QB at #6. Build up the rest of the team. I think Hurts will turn out to be pretty good and none of the top-level QBs in the draft fill me with awe.

C'mon J.R.  Manning and Brady knowing where the ball is going pre-snap is absolutely not the same as Hurts looking at 1 receiver and then taking off and you know it. You'll rarely catch Manning or Brady wanting to take off running if their first read isn't open. Can he learn otherwise? Possibly. Will he? I think we'll find out. 

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I grow weary of the carping about Hurts - or any young QB - being a one-read QB. Most pass plays are one-reads, probably in the order of 75-80%. Peyton  Manning and Tom Brady know where the ball is going before the snap. What else is that but one-read? What's the coverage? Where's the FS? Are they pressing or playing off? Most of the prep work is during the week. Further, even hot-shot QBs get rattled - witness Mahomes in the SB. He looked no better than Hurts.

What bugged me with Wentz is that he regressed, in large part because he started looking at the rush. Understandable considering the beating he was taking. But even on his one-read plays he couldn't pull the trigger. He would hold the ball, lose the read, and back out of the pocket. Hurts otoh, kept his eyes downfield and his first step in bailing out was forward.

I would hate for us to draft a QB at #6. Build up the rest of the team. I think Hurts will turn out to be pretty good and none of the top-level QBs in the draft fill me with awe.

There is a stark difference between most passing plays having one read and having a primary read.

 

Jesus this is wrong on so many levels.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

You don’t take backup QBs in the 2nd round. Especially when you can get high end starters at another position there.

From the beginning the pick only remotely made sense if they though Hurts was legit and had to take him because they really liked him, and him being a backup was only because Wentz balled out.

I suppose the eagles valued a starter quality backup QB higher than a high end starter at certain other positions. 

I thought from the beginning the only way it made sense was from the cap perspective. Which, it did, and kinda still does.  But thats about the only thing that makes sense about it. 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I grow weary of the carping about Hurts - or any young QB - being a one-read QB. Most pass plays are one-reads, probably in the order of 75-80%. Peyton  Manning and Tom Brady know where the ball is going before the snap. What else is that but one-read? What's the coverage? Where's the FS? Are they pressing or playing off? Most of the prep work is during the week. Further, even hot-shot QBs get rattled - witness Mahomes in the SB. He looked no better than Hurts.

What bugged me with Wentz is that he regressed, in large part because he started looking at the rush. Understandable considering the beating he was taking. But even on his one-read plays he couldn't pull the trigger. He would hold the ball, lose the read, and back out of the pocket. Hurts otoh, kept his eyes downfield and his first step in bailing out was forward.

I would hate for us to draft a QB at #6. Build up the rest of the team. I think Hurts will turn out to be pretty good and none of the top-level QBs in the draft fill me with awe.

I think it's more a matter of quick recognizing the play isn't there instead of forcing it, like if you realize a LB dropped where you didn't expect him, or the CB has deep help and is preparing to jump the route - then quickly going to option "B" and maybe "C". Good example I see all over the league is a deep route, the CB has good coverage and/or the safety has rotated over top, yet so many NFL QBs will still force that throw instead of checking down. But a lot of that is preparation, the QB should know what keys to look for to know if the play is viable and be able to quickly adjust.

Too often a QB is considered great by fans if he can force the ball into a tight window and make a spectacular throw, ignoring that it's a low probability play, when there's another WR with 3 steps of separation that he ignored. Making easy throws isn't sexy, but it is efficient.