4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Missing the point. 

Brady was supposed to in that range

Montana was supposed to go in that range

George/Goff/Leaf were supposed to in that range

Hurts was supposed to go WAYYYY later. 

I don't think that's accurate.  Jeremiah had him in his top 50 prospects as of March 2020: 

 

50) Jalen Hurts, QB

School: Oklahoma | Year: Senior

Previous rank: Not ranked

Hurts is slightly undersized for the position but his production, poise and playmaking ability are very impressive. He has crisp footwork in his drop and he throws from a very firm platform. He has a quick release and generates excellent velocity on drive throws. Hurts flashed the ability to touch the ball up, but his ball placement still needs to improve. His vision and anticipation are other areas that need work. He's an outstanding runner, both on designed runs and when pressured. He gains ground quickly and runs through contact consistently. I love his competitiveness and toughness. Overall, Hurts must continue to improve in the passing game, but I'm going to bet on his eventual success due to his playmaking skills and overall competitiveness.https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2020-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-4-0-0ap3000001108021

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

In the case of Hurts, the Eagles, and anyone who had him ranked top 50 will both be wrong.

Hey - well - good thing he was taken 53rd then.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Now who's being dishonest? I never said never. I also said 75-80%, which is a far cry from never.

Call me stupid, misguided, ignorant, whatever. Don't call me dishonest. FU.

To say Peyton Manning knew where he was going pre snap, and did not progress through his reads is being dishonest.

 

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

That's funny - I don't know where this narrative keeps coming from. But Howie has always taken responsibility for the bad ones (as he should, he's the GM) and gives organizational credit for the good ones. 

Where does this narrative come from? 

Let me see...

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Hey - well - good thing he was taken 53rd then.

He was ranked as the 6th - 10th QB prospect by all the outlets I mentioned, and probably  more.

He should not have gone top 100, and will never play up to being the 53rd pick, or a top 50 ranked prospect by Jeremiah.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

To say Peyton Manning knew where he was going pre snap, and did not progress through his reads is being dishonest.

 

I said the first half of that sentence. I did not say the second.

The Huts/Manning comparison is simple.

A play comes in and it has a primary read.

Manning comes to the line, inspects the defense, and knows that the primary read is suboptimal. In his mind and prior to the snap he reorders the options. 

Hurts comes to the line and snaps the ball. If the primary is covered, then he runs.

 

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Where does this narrative come from? 

Let me see...

Not the narrative that I posted - the narrative you posted of Howie being a finger pointer. I know where the narrative I posted comes from - it's called reality - you should try it some time.

22 minutes ago, rambo said:

Pretty fair evaluation.  Some positives and negatives.  Most of which my uneducated eyes agree with.

Three conclusions;

1) Hurts can make all the necessary throws, he doesn't fire lasers but he has nice touch and accuracy

2) Hurts needs a lot of work recognizing what he's seeing, no surprise

3) Hurts needs a different HC/OC than Doug. One that gives him a lot of short options and teaches him to use them.

Just now, Nivraga said:

Not the narrative that I posted - the narrative you posted of Howie being a finger pointer. I know where the narrative I posted comes from - it's called reality - you should try it some time.

You have confused me with some one else. Now, F-off.

25 minutes ago, rambo said:

Pretty fair evaluation.  Some positives and negatives.  Most of which my uneducated eyes agree with.

 

 

Just watched.  Seems like his two biggest concerns are more than fixable with coaching and expierence. 

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I just showed you he was ranked 7th on average in the QB room

4, 5, and 6 in the majority off those rankings went after him or undrafted. 

You indicated ESPN had him as prospect number 7 in terms of QB.  This article indicates ESPN had him as the 32nd best prospect: https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/NFL-Draft-2020-top-prospects-ranked-ESPN-Isaiah-Simmons-Chase-Young-Joe-Burrow-146198928/#146198928_1  This is what it further quoted from ESPN: 

 

This is where things get very interesting. Not only does ESPN rank Hebert almost 30 spots behind Tagovailoa, the Oregon quarterback also sits behind Jalen Hurts. Hurts will not get out of the second round, per Mel Kiper, but Herbert will not get out of the top 10 on Thursday night.

"Hurts is QB3 of this draft,” ESPN writes. "The former Alabama quarterback is calm under pressure, has boatloads of toughness and high-end movement skills and possesses the ability to extend plays and escape the pocket. There is a vastly underrated awareness in his game and, in the right hands, he will be a starter.”

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Trade down get Trey Lance. 2nd in Freiermuth. 

Then pick defense and OL for the rest of the picks

 

Lance looks like his skills set of running is set in stone. I just don't trust drafting a guy like that. In every draft there is usually a can't miss player that falls for whatever reason but everyone knows he is good. Like the receiver we missed out on and picked JJ whiteside. In this year's draft case if you look at the reciprocal flip of a bad pick in smith by the sixers. And where we are picking. And the arrogance of us calling ourselves the qb factory. And the fact that we blindly ignore a position, parsons would be my pick in the first.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He was ranked as the 6th - 10th QB prospect by all the outlets I mentioned, and probably  more.

He should not have gone top 100, and will never play up to being the 53rd pick, or a top 50 ranked prospect by Jeremiah.

Well - I've posted before that I think even if Hurts ends up as a good player it was a bad pick for the Eagles. I don't want  you to confuse me with someone that is supporting the pick. With that said - I think you're wrong. I think there is a very good chance that Hurts develops into a serviceable starter. 

Does anyone remember McNabb as a rookie? Or almost any rookie QB who didn't play in a pro style offense in college?

It takes a couple years to learn how to play QB in the NFL, many never get it. Mahomes sat his first season and learned.

Some teams put in a simplified offense when they start a spread rookie, let him do what he did in college, then add to it as he gets experience.

Like I said, check back in January 2022. Either he learns or he doesn't, but it won't be for lack of effort.

Just now, austinfan said:

Does anyone remember McNabb as a rookie? Or almost any rookie QB who didn't play in a pro style offense in college?

It takes a couple years to learn how to play QB in the NFL, many never get it. Mahomes sat his first season and learned.

Some teams put in a simplified offense when they start a spread rookie, let him do what he did in college, then add to it as he gets experience.

Like I said, check back in January 2022. Either he learns or he doesn't, but it won't be for lack of effort.

 

 

I've posted the rookie years of other Eagles rookie QBs countless times.

The Hurts Haters don't care for any of it. To them Hurts must be held to the standard of what he will forever be as a QB in this league is exactly as he looked as a rookie.  

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

Thats fine. Jeremiah had him 50th

Above WF had him 7th, CBS 8th, SI 7th, ETC.

Jeremiah is clearly the outlier with his ranking

Jeremiah was consistent with ESPN and probably more importantly consistent with how Hurts was drafted.  I think that says more about his overall value among other NFL teams.  CBS had him as a top 100 prospect which would make him a 4th rounder but categorized him as a potential starter.  He was their 5th prospect behind Eason.  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-prospect-rankings-our-final-top-250-separates-the-four-tackles-and-three-elite-receivers/  I think the writer for CBS, Josh Edwards, doesn't appear to be a well connected NFL reporter.  I think ESPN's take is from Kiper and other sources.  

Hurts should change his jersey number. That's my #analysis.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The Huts/Manning comparison is simple.

A play come in and it has a primary read.

Manning comes to the line, inspects the defense, and knows that the primary read is suboptimal. In his mind and prior to the snap he reorders the options. 

Hurts comes to the line and snaps the ball. If the primary is covered, then he runs.

 

I recently re-watched the NO game. On the first play, Hurts ran a read-option and kept the ball, the correct read. On the second he audibled out of the called play. On the third the pocket collapsed and he ran for the first. On the fourth they ran a simple dive play. On the fifth he had a two receiver pattern to the left sideline, picked the right guy, and hit him, which, BTW, was one of those passes he's supposedly not able to complete. Later, on 4th-and-2, he threw a TD pass to Jeffrey in the front corner of  the end zone (drat! another deep out) while getting crushed.

That showed me a lot in a single series.

25 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Come on, it's simple:

all the good ones were Roseman's;

all the bad ones were some one else's.

Confused you with someone else? 

9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

You have confused me with some one else. Now, F-off.

Seriously?

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I've posted the rookie years of other Eagles rookie QBs countless times.

The Hurts Haters don't care for any of it. To them Hurts must be held to the standard of what he will forever be as a QB in this league is exactly as he looked as a rookie.  

If the eagle draft a qb in the first it just shows a great deal of impatience. You made the idiotic choice of drafting hurts, now ride with it and build the surrounding parts. Stop building an albatross incomplete team.

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

Confused you with someone else? 

Hey Jackarse, I was making fun of Afan.

Now, buzz-off.

2 minutes ago, Right4thePicking said:

If the eagle draft a qb in the first it just shows a great deal of impatience. You made the idiotic choice of drafting hurts, now ride with it and build the surrounding parts. Stop building an albatross incomplete team.

"It is the ancient mariner. And he stoppeth one of three."

Sorry. Albatrosses are a trigger for me.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Just watched.  Seems like his two biggest concerns are more than fixable with coaching and expierence. 

We'll see.  Some guys never get it.  My opinion on Hurts is incomplete.  3.5 games (2 of which against top defenses), COVID offseason, no preseason games, etc...I'm willing to give him a full off season and regular season to see what he's made of.  If the FO thinks they need to draft a QB at 6 because Hurts isn't it, ok.  If he doesn't get it, then we'll more than likely be picking very high again next year and have a shot at a QB.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Mcnabb was a lock top 10 pick the majority of the year. 

Mahomes was a 1st rounder the entire year

Hurts barely wins starting job at OK after being forced to leave his original college

 

See the difference? 

So was Leaf, see the difference?

The point was about evaluating QBs as rookies, a fool's errand.