Dak is a much better comparison to Hurts, both athletic, both good arms but erratic passers in college, both "gamers."

Tebow was not a QB by any stretch of the imagination, he could only dream of making throws Hurts makes routinely.

Now whether Hurts makes the same jump Dak did in the NFL? Stay tuned.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

you got it man. you won me over. im gonna ignore 31 General managers. all the scouts in the war room and truly believe that Howie(same guy who brought us JJAW and Reagor) has now reached and found a franchise QB lol 

You mean the 31 GMs who passed on Metcalf?

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He has all the bare minimum physical tools, which can be said for nearly every drafted player at every position.  Enough arm, enough height.  His running ability is his only above average trait so far.

The bare minimum is all you need. It's nice to have a cannon - but see the aforementioned Ryan Leaf. Tom Brady went in the 6th round because he was a physical nightmare - before anyone goes nuts I'm not suggesting a ceiling of Brady for Hurts. I'm just saying once you reach the minimum bench mark it becomes mostly about what's happening above the neck. 

 

I've made the Fulgham - Hopkins comparison before. Put those 2 WRs side by side on paper and they look near identical. But obviously on the field they are far from identical. I will say though the more you have it below the neck the less you need it above - and vice versa. 

7 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Did I quote you? No, I didn't think so. I was conversing with Bacarty2 - making fun of Afan.

That quote from Bacarty2 was in response to a quote from me - follow the chain back and you'll see. You were indirectly responding to me. NOT THAT IT MATTERS - because you are making public posts on a message board which by definition invites responses from everyone. If you want a private conversation with Bacarty2 send him a private message or get his number and text him.

Does no one else notice the irony in comparing Hurts and McNabb? Like, I keep seeing it and these guys think it's proving that like McNabb, Hurts can become a good QB, but it's doing the total opposite and they're blissfully unaware.

So we're going to compare Hurts to McNabb, who fans have genuinely always ripped on his accuracy, failure in big moments, lack of a Super Bowl title, etc. We're going to compare the rookie year of McNabb to Hurts, when their completion percentage was pretty close and one took place in the 90s.

Here's the difference: Passing then and passing now are two entirely different animals. Want to take a stab at how many QBs completed 60% or more in 1999? Seven.

2020? Thirty two 

So no, they aren't comparable. One was bad in an era that was much harder to throw the football. The other was bad in an era where it's easy and he still couldn't do it.

I see the Hurtscuses are a real thing.

 

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

One of the shortest and "lightest" QB's with one of the weaker arms in the league "has all the tools" 

You left out a key word "necessary" - and yes.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Going to be "fun" watching the Colts have more success than we do for the next several years.

Oh well. On to Hurts and his scrub QB play.

39 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Your comparison is wrong again. No ones talking about busts. 

I dont think Hurts is a flop either. He's going to be a very good backup some where. 

It's very seldom do they get a franchise QB wrong. 

Off the top of my head, you have BRady, Russ... maybe Dak(although the talent was there it was more off field issues) 

 

Agree he will be a backup.

Romo, Montana, Brunell, Starr, and Staubach going back a way off the top of my head, but they are the exception to the rule.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Going to be "fun" watching the Colts have more success than we do for the next several years.

Oh well. On to Hurts and his scrub QB play.

They would with almost any QB, they're in their peak as a team, we're rebuilding.

Check back in 3 years.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'd take Dak 10 times out of 10 over Hurts and I dont think Dak is a franchise QB. 

 

Then why did Dak go in the 4th round?

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

I have everything necessary to bang Mia Khalifa. Doesnt mean she'll be impressed, call me back or even want to know my name. 

"It ain't the meat it's the motion . . . "

Obviously you need to spend more time on the practice field.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

I have everything necessary to bang Mia Khalifa. Doesnt mean she'll be impressed, call me back or even want to know my name. 

Difference is you never had a chance with Mia - Hurts has a very good chance at becoming a good NFL starter.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

3 years from now Colts will be a top 4 team in the AFC (ballard can draft) 

3 year from the Eagles still wont have a franchise QB

You can make a case that they’re a top 4 team in the AFC now. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

3 years from now Colts will be a top 4 team in the AFC (ballard can draft) 

3 year from the Eagles still wont have a franchise QB

Odds are, neither will the Colts.

And Ballard's drafting: 2017 was meh, 2018 he had a 1st (#6) and 4 2nd rd picks. Jury is still out on 2019 and 2020.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Dak went in the 4th because he was a bit under sized and a complete scumbag off the field. 

I'm actually hung like a horse and I think I'd pass on Mia. Moral of the story, just because you have it doesnt mean you can do it

Yep, and no one here should want a "good" starter. Thanks for backing up my point

Horsefly maybe 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Dak went in the 4th because he was a bit under sized and a complete scumbag off the field. 

I'm actually hung like a horse and I think I'd pass on Mia. Moral of the story, just because you have it doesnt mean you can do it

Yep, and no one here should want a "good" starter. Thanks for backing up my point

I'm not backing up you're point - but nice try. I wanted to keep Wentz. I've posted that even if Hurts becomes a good player he was a bad pick for the Eagles given the circumstances at the time. 

The conversation about Hurts has been whether he can become a good enough player to "justify" his draft position. A good QB starter does just that. AND - everyone here should want a good starter as opposed to no starter. What you meant to say is that no one here should be satisfied with a "good" starter.

2 hours ago, greend said:

Manning and Brady made what throw they knew was going to be open and it wasn't always and so they moved to something else. If whatever read isn't open for Hurts he's not going through any other progressions (as a rule) he's taking off. It most certainly is different. 

As opposed to your boy Carson who would just hold onto the ball too long because he couldn't process the field, or throw it over someone's head if he actually identified the open man.

 A few things you look from college to the NFL in QB’s is the talent they played with, played against, arm strength, and how they handled pressure and the pocket collapsing.  
 Jake Fromm, the old USC contingent of Sanchise, Barkley and Leinart plus several recent Alabama QB’s are weak armed QB’s who were never going to be great in the NFL because of their arm. Sanchez not as weak as the others TBF.  Look at Kyle Trask, big kid with no arm, his arm is the reason he’ll go late, and shouldn’t go before the early 3rd round. 
  
The other issues for Alabama QB’s are their offensive lines which are typically really good so good that judging how their QB’s will handle NFL defenses is really difficult, plus their QB’s are throwing to NFL quality receivers in open spaces.   They do play against other SEC teams but they usually aren’t on Alabama’s level.   
 BYU, ND, TT,  NC, teams that  play weaker competition, but they also play with weaker talent themselves, those are the guys who should handle pressure better, but reading NFL defenses, isn’t typically in their wheel house either. 

I really think we need to pump the brakes on declaring Hurts a bum or a future starter. All rookies were handicapped in 2020 due to the lack of an offseason program. On top of that, Hurts spent the first half of the season trying to be Taysom Hill. I'm not overly concerned that he was more of a run first QB in the 4 games he played, because I doubt he really had much time to actually learn the offense and was playing behind an abortion of an offensive line. 

Do I think he will be our long term answer at QB? No, based on his play in college, I don't see it. But what he did in 4 games in 2020 with no offseason, limited reps and no protection really isn't factoring into my opinion. 2021 is a full rebuild anyway, so no harm in handing him the keys and seeing if he can show us something. If not we will have 2 picks in the 1st round in 2022 and can target a QB then. You don't draft a QB in the second round and never even see if he can be the guy.

See no evil, hear no evil for Wentz Washers...

Carson Wentz couldn't handle hard coaching

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/report-eagles-felt-carson-wentz-couldnt-handle-hard-coaching/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Then why did Dak go in the 4th round?

"It ain't the meat it's the motion . . . "

Obviously you need to spend more time on the practice field.

If you watched Dak in college he wasn't all that good.

Some did a helluva job coaching him once he was drafted.

Re: Washer crying about Hurts' accuracy...

 

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I really think we need to pump the brakes on declaring Hurts a bum or a future starter. All rookies were handicapped in 2020 due to the lack of an offseason program. On top of that, Hurts spent the first half of the season trying to be Taysom Hill. I'm not overly concerned that he was more of a run first QB in the 4 games he played, because I doubt he really had much time to actually learn the offense and was playing behind an abortion of an offensive line. 

Do I think he will be our long term answer at QB? No, based on his play in college, I don't see it. But what he did in 4 games in 2020 with no offseason, limited reps and no protection really isn't factoring into my opinion. 2021 is a full rebuild anyway, so no harm in handing him the keys and seeing if he can show us something. If not we will have 2 picks in the 1st round in 2022 and can target a QB then. You don't draft a QB in the second round and never even see if he can be the guy.

The two things that Hurts has going for him moving forward is that he busts his ass as a hard worker and he's coachable. I'm not too high on his ceiling, but he has all of the mental characteristics as someone who can be an overachiever. He won't be Russell Wilson, but if he can be somewhere between Dak and that, I will take it. He deserves a shot to be the QB going into 2021. I wasn't a huge fan of his play this season, specifically in the second half of games, but there was at least something there to build on. I'd rather them add pieces to surround him in the draft than taking a QB at 6. 

This team was a toxic waste dump in 2020. Doug had one foot out the door and coached like a reckless maniac, there were injuries all over the place, and the Wentz saga engulfed the team. No one's play should be judged on this past season, let alone a rookie QB in Hurts. 

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The two things that Hurts has going for him moving forward is that he busts his ass as a hard worker and he's coachable. I'm not too high on his ceiling, but he has all of the mental characteristics as someone who can be an overachiever. He won't be Russell Wilson, but if he can be somewhere between Dak and that, I will take it. He deserves a shot to be the QB going into 2021. I wasn't a huge fan of his play this season, specifically in the second half of games, but there was at least something there to build on. I'd rather them add pieces to surround him in the draft than taking a QB at 6. 

Completely agree. If we take a QB at 6, Howie and Lurie should just put on wigs and floppy shoes. It's a clown show.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Completely agree. If we take a QB at 6, Howie and Lurie should just out on wigs and floppy shoes. It's a clown show.

Either way they should do that