12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Irrelevant.  It is 100% a myth that back up QB's have high salaries.  Who was the most valuable back up in the NFL last year ??  I say Andy Dalton.  4-5 as a starter.  3 million cap hit.

Here is the list.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2021/

There are expensive Qbs as backups. They can range on avg between 4-10 mill. This is for QBs who are considered good backups of course, not scrubs. Thats why it is best to draft one in a mid/late round to get them on the cheap, esp with our cap. 

Brissett 21 mill

Mariota 9+ mill

Fitz 8 mill or Tua 5.5 mill

Taylor 7.5 mill

Foles 6.6 mill

Hill 4.8

McCarron 4.0

 

Ill take a 4th or 5th rounder for under a mill please, lol. Better then the scrubs making a mill plus. Atleast you have a better chance to groom a rookie. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Doubt Flacco would be interested and it doesn't make sense.

If you're building an offense around Hurts, you want someone who can run the same offense.

So you're saying we should kick the tires on Tebow?  He just retired from baseball.  Tyrod Taylor also available.  Either would come here for a cool $10m.  Make the call.

Paxton Lynch 

10 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

There are expensive Qbs as backups. They can range on avg between 4-10 mill. This is for QBs who are considered good backups of course, not scrubs. Thats why it is best to draft one in a mid/late round to get them on the cheap, esp with our cap. 

Brissett 21 mill

Mariota 9+ mill

Fitz 8 mill or Tua 5.5 mill

Taylor 7.5 mill

Foles 6.6 mill

Hill 4.8

McCarron 4.0

Brissett signed an extension with Indy after Luck retired and he was the starter.

Foles contract was restructured from his 88 million deal he signed with Jacksonville.

Tua did not sign as a back up, his contract was determined by his draft position.  Fitz signed his contract in 2019 when he came to the Dolphins to be the starter.

So that list, none of those guys signed a 10 million per year back up contract.

Guess I will have to put them all in a spreadsheet and calculate the average.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Brissett signed an extension with Indy after Luck retired and he was the starter.

Foles contract was restructured from his 88 million deal he signed with Jacksonville.

So that list, none of those guys signed a 10 million per year back up contract.

Guess I will have to put them all in a spreadsheet and calculate the average.

They were still backups going into the season. We didnt say what the contract was originally for. Conversation was how much the backup cost. Bears traded for Foles knowing he would be a possible backup.

Point is teams will spend the money on a backup if they feel its a player that they can trust to bring wins. At this point, we dont need that type of player and can not afford one. Best option is to draft one to get as cheap as possible with the possibility of getting lucky and grooming one to a ok player over signing a retread that will cost you min 1 mill plus. 

The more expensive backups are the ones that can come and and possibly win the game. We don't need that

The only teams who spend in the $10M range for a backup are teams who have serious questions about their current starter.

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

They were still backups going into the season. We didnt say what the contract was originally for. Conversation was how much the backup cost. Bears traded for Foles knowing he would be a possible backup.

Point is teams will spend the money on a backup if they feel its a player that they can trust to bring wins. At this point, we dont need that type of player and can not afford one. Best option is to draft one to get as cheap as possible with the possibility of getting lucky and grooming one to a ok player over signing a retread that will cost you min 1 mill plus. 

The mental gymnastics and goal post moving you are going through is ridiculous.

The highest cap hit of a guy who was signed specifically to be the back up in 2020 was Andy Dalton, 3 million.

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

They were still backups going into the season. We didnt say what the contract was originally for. Conversation was how much the backup cost. Bears traded for Foles knowing he would be a possible backup.

Point is teams will spend the money on a backup if they feel its a player that they can trust to bring wins. At this point, we dont need that type of player and can not afford one. Best option is to draft one to get as cheap as possible with the possibility of getting lucky and grooming one to a ok player over signing a retread that will cost you min 1 mill plus. 

Well in that case you can't make an argument for what a backup QB is worth using examples of contracts given to players who were expected to start...

All this heated QB talk though is so unnecessary. 

Looking at the cap after these cuts and trade and looking at the cap hit and dead cap numbers for guys on the roster still and this team is going to be horrible this year when it is all said and done.  This team is going to get gutted.  They are going to have to pull the 5th year option and let Barnett walk probably for nothing but a future comp pick.  It is going to be a very young, most inexperienced team that will be mostly gutted of the players that have been here with the exception of a few that they will have to kick the ticking cap hit grenade on a few more years (Lane, Cox, Slay, Brooks). 

 

Regardless who the QB is to be the ultimate challenge for this team to not be one of the worst in the NFL next season.  The roster in 2021 will be players that will be trivia in a few years of this player was on the Eagles 2021 roster and people will say who the hell is that I never heard of them before? 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

The mental gymnastics and goal post moving you are going through is ridiculous.

The highest cap hit of a guy who was signed specifically to be the back up in 2020 was Andy Dalton, 3 million.

So your telling me Mariota, Hill and McCarron all were signed to be starters? Interesting. 

8 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

There are expensive Qbs as backups. They can range on avg between 4-10 mill. This is for QBs who are considered good backups of course, not scrubs. Thats why it is best to draft one in a mid/late round to get them on the cheap, esp with our cap. 

Brissett 21 mill

Mariota 9+ mill

Fitz 8 mill or Tua 5.5 mill

Taylor 7.5 mill

Foles 6.6 mill

Hill 4.8

McCarron 4.0

 

Ill take a 4th or 5th rounder for under a mill please, lol. Better then the scrubs making a mill plus. Atleast you have a better chance to groom a rookie. 

There are different types of backup QBs.  There are guys still on starting QB contracts who lost their jobs (Brissett, Taylor).  They are the highest paid ones, but that's just an accident.

Then there are quality vets with experience who have no teams interested in them as starters...Foles/Fitz.  These are the most expensive backup QB's by design.

Drafting a QB in round 2 doesn't magically give you a Foles/Fitz at a discounted cap hit.  The whole point of Foles/Fitz is that you are inserting an established, ready-to-go passer into the lineup for your team to continue to win games.

A 2nd round QB on a rookie contract is as much of an unknown going into the lineup as any of the cheap, bargain basement backup QBs with 5 years experience out there.  They aren't giving you reliable insurance.  Anything can happen.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Doubt Flacco would be interested and it doesn't make sense.

If you're building an offense around Hurts, you want someone who can run the same offense.

 

I don't think they are building the team around anyone right now. They are in the complete teardown stage and then in the draft they might be able to get some blue chip young players to build around going forward. 

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

So your telling me Mariota, Hill and McCarron all were signed to be starters? Interesting. 

None of those contracts were signed in 2020. Go read my post again.

Next yr will be perfect to give tons of snaps to reagor, quez, hightower and hopefully Chase

 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Most backups are Sudfeld quality, if you're a playoff team, you invest in a backup if your QB isn't durable (Brees, Wentz) or take your chances with Mahomes or Rodgers.

If you're not a playoff team, why invest in a backup to lose games you'd lose with your starter?

So it makes more sense to bring in young QBs with longshot upsides, and hope to get lucky.

Explain to me drafting a developmental backup QB in round 2 if you’re planning a two-year rebuild the following season.

Is it so by the time we’re any good again we can have a cheap good backup for one year before he leaves as a FA?

3 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

The Quenton Nelson deal was/is one of the best trades in history that no one talks about

He got starters in the 4th and 5th round last year. 

O, and his All Pro QB quit randomly. 

I take Ballard over Howie every day of the week. 

Let's let your wife be the judge. I have no problem backing up my words

I don't like where this is going.  Shirtless selfie comes to mind.  

Unless you wanted to meet somewhere and have a zip off with him?  

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

There are different types of backup QBs.  There are guys still on starting QB contracts who lost their jobs (Brissett, Taylor).  They are the highest paid ones, but that's just an accident.

Then there are quality vets with experience who have no teams interested in them as starters...Foles/Fitz.  These are the most expensive backup QB's by design.

Drafting a QB in round 2 doesn't magically give you a Foles/Fitz at a discounted cap hit.  The whole point of Foles/Fitz is that you are inserting an established, ready-to-go passer into the lineup for your team to continue to win games.

A 2nd round QB on a rookie contract is as much of an unknown going into the lineup as any of the cheap, bargain basement backup QBs with 5 years experience out there.  They aren't giving you reliable insurance.  Anything can happen.

 

 

 

But they have no upside. You know what they are which can be good or bad or both but they're not getting better.

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I don't like where this is going.  Shirtless selfie comes to mind.  

Unless you wanted to meet somewhere and have a zip off with him?  

Is it time for combat waivers?

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

None of those contracts were signed in 2020. Go read my post again.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/raiders/2020/03/16/marcus-mariota-las-vegas-raiders-nfl-free-agency/5065093002/

Mariota signed March in 2020

https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-sign-taysom-hill-to-two-year-21m-extension-0ap3000001111732

Taysom Hill resigned in 2020

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28914003/backup-qb-aj-mccarron-announces-re-signed-texans

McCarron signed March of 2020

 

Looks like all three signed in 2020 to be backups

6 hours ago, Nivraga said:

 It seems a popular narrative is that Howie is just a dolt that on draft day decided to outsmart everyone by picking Hurts and throwing a wrench into the Eagles 2020 machinery. And Doug loved it. 

More likely at some point before the draft Howie and Doug were talking ... Doug had been thinking about how the Saints had incorporated Taysom HIll and so says to Howie ...

Doug: " I want a pony" (T Hill)

Howie: "Doug? You have a horse." (C Wentz)

Doug: " But I want a pony too. "

Howie: "You have Greg Ward - he used to be a pony"

Doug: "I want a bigger pony"

Howie: "I'll see what I can do - but the cap situation is bad - a polished well trained pony could be expensive "

Doug: "Yeah, I thought about that - there is this pony coming from Olahoma - he can do a lot of other things too. You should get a scouting report on him.

Howie: "I've seen it - you know we might have to use our 2nd round pick to make sure we get him - fans will be furious - you're horse probably won't like it"

Doug: " I WANT A PONY!"

I can't believe I didn't get more of a response to this. 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Is it time for combat waivers?

I thought the blog hit an all time low recently.  Then Bacarty voluntarily posts about his crock size for no reason at all, totally unprovoked, then follows that up by offering to show it to another man on an internet message board.  Maybe they should meet somewhere in the middle, sign the combat waivers, and compete for the blog's first pants off dance off championship.  

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

I thought the blog hit an all time low recently.  Then Bacarty voluntarily posts about his crock size for no reason at all, totally unprovoked, then follows that up by offering to show it to another man on an internet message board.  Maybe they should meet somewhere in the middle, sign the combat waivers, and compete for the blog's first pants off dance off championship.  

We should change the board background color to rainbow

29 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

All this heated QB talk though is so unnecessary. 

Looking at the cap after these cuts and trade and looking at the cap hit and dead cap numbers for guys on the roster still and this team is going to be horrible this year when it is all said and done.  This team is going to get gutted.  They are going to have to pull the 5th year option and let Barnett walk probably for nothing but a future comp pick.  It is going to be a very young, most inexperienced team that will be mostly gutted of the players that have been here with the exception of a few that they will have to kick the ticking cap hit grenade on a few more years (Lane, Cox, Slay, Brooks). 

 

Regardless who the QB is to be the ultimate challenge for this team to not be one of the worst in the NFL next season.  The roster in 2021 will be players that will be trivia in a few years of this player was on the Eagles 2021 roster and people will say who the hell is that I never heard of them before? 

The Eagles were 4-11-1 this past season so suggesting the team will be horrible this coming season means what?

18 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/raiders/2020/03/16/marcus-mariota-las-vegas-raiders-nfl-free-agency/5065093002/

Mariota signed March in 2020

https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-sign-taysom-hill-to-two-year-21m-extension-0ap3000001111732

Taysom Hill resigned in 2020

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28914003/backup-qb-aj-mccarron-announces-re-signed-texans

McCarron signed March of 2020

 

Looks like all three signed in 2020 to be backups

My bad, thought they all signed in 2019.

Mariota, less than 10 million.

Hill signed an extension, and he is more than the back up QB.  And the team with the worst cap situation in the NFL should not be used to make a point.

McCarron's cap number is 4 million.

 

Still, waiting for the proof that back ups are worth 10 million a year.