3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. Chip was fired solely because he was a giant **** to everyone in the organization, including the owner. 

 Miles Sanders and a 3rd

And didn’t show up to the team Christmas party as the last straw 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And didn’t show up to the team Christmas party as the last straw 

Even worse, he made Lurie change the date and time and then didn’t show up 

Look, NFL. It's been a strange year. Let's just allow the Eagles and Texans to swap quarterbacks without any unnecessary cap charges. It only makes sense. 😉

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Even worse, he made Lurie change the date and time and then didn’t show up 

I have to applaud that, just from the comical aspect alone.  I wish I could have been within earshot when Lurie asked "Where’s Chip at?”

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I have to applaud that, just from the comical aspect alone.  I wish I could have been within earshot when Lurie asked "Where’s Chip at?”

Or his reaction 

 

The media is missing it on Carson, IMHO.  With Zoom contact and no media presence, I think they are guessing as much as the rest of us.  Private conversations are not visible.  Now given Carson’s cap hit on 2021, I do believe Howie is seeking a restructure and some of the noise is generated by his agent.  But coach and player contact is different.  I believe that with Carson’s "benching” that Pederson came to him and pointed to the shambles of the OL and the hits he was taking and effects.  He probably pointed out his yips.  He probably said, Hurts needs some experience given the lack of a PS and given his running ability and your (Carson’s) importance to the franchise, we are sitting you because we are out of it and getting Jalen the experience. Do I think Howie in trying to restructure favorable to the Eagles pointed out the yips and that the agent publicized a "fractured”relationship with Doug as part of the negotiations, yes.  Do I think the media bit on the agent "leak”, absolutely. They have to because it might be true.  Do I believe it is true? No.  

I also think Doug was reasonably honest with Hurts?  He probably said, we are sitting Wentz to get you some reps and see who you are.  No reflection on Carson but rather to get you an opportunity.  We always have competition at every position. Do your best.

Do I believe last week that Doug said to Hurts that the last game at some point I am pulling you.  We have nothing to play for and Nate Sudfeld will be a FA after the game and we are going to give him an opportunity to put some snaps on tape.  No reflection on you but rather respect for Nate, given his position. 

Do I believe that the players accept Doug’s position? Yes. Does Carson believe Howie is an arse for bringing up the yips in negotiations?  Yes but he understands it is a business.  I was in business 40+ years. Is the media that myopic?  No wonder the lack of their understanding as their business changes and to a degree, shrinks,

3 hours ago, Mortimer said:

Are you implying Wentz covered up the team's weaknesses in 2017?    I guess Nick Foles did too.   Or maybe the team was playing lights out and Wentz got the credit.

Actually Foles was pretty bad until they changed the scheme, had him run the RPO, and took Minnesota and NE by surprise.

One good game against the Giants throwing short passes, two bad games. In those three games QBR 31.1.

Decent PO game against the Falcons, longest throw, 31 yards to Ajayi, 21 to Jeffrey, 20 to Smith.

The next season, Foles put up similar numbers to Wentz in the 5 games he started. Then had 3 TD/4 Int in the two PO games.

Foles two best seasons, 2013 and 2018 were behind healthy elite OL. In Stl, KC and JAX, without great OL, he was putrid.

While everyone likes to focus on the skill players, here's the key to Eagle offensive success:

2008-2010, > 400 points each year,

2008:  McNabb, Westbrook, Buckhalter, DeSean, Baskett/Brown/Curtis/Avant, Celek, Smith; Tra - Herremans - Jackson - MJG - Runyan

2009:  McNabb, McCoy, Westbrook, Weaver, DeSean, Maclin, Avant, Celek; Peters - Herremans - Jackson - Cole - Justice

2010:  Vick/Kolb, McCoy, DeSean, Maclin, Avant, Celek; Peters - Herremans - McGlynn - MJG - Justice

2013-14 > 400 points, 474 in 2014 is team best

2013:  Foles/Vick, McCoy, Brown, DeSean, Cooper, Avant, Celek, Ertz; Peters - Mathis - Kelce - Herremans - Lane

2014:  Foles, McCoy, Sproles, Maclin, Mathews, Cooper, Ertz, Celek; Peters - Mathis - Kelce - Herremans - Lane

2017: 457 points

2017:  Wentz/Foles, Blount/Ajayi/Clement, Jeffrey, Agholor, Smith, Ertz, Burton; Vaitai/Peters - Wisniewski - Kelce - Brooks - Lane

Points

1) QBs are overrated a bit, look at the different combos, a fading McNabb, Vick, Foles and Wentz

2) top skill players are nice, and they can compensate for weaknesses in the OL, but you really only need one or two that are major producers, Jeffrey in 2017 for example was a #2. In 2010, the skill players made up for OL holes, but most of the time having one or two and solid depth was all you need

3) OL is the key, you ideally want 3 top starters who play together all season, they can cover for one or two average linemen, 4 or more and you're in hog heaven

9.

Philadelphia Eagles

DeVonta Smith

WR, Alabama

 

53.

Philadelphia Eagles

Asante Samuel Jr.

CB, Florida State

 

54.

Philadelphia Eagles

Shaun Wade

CB, Ohio State

 

70.

Philadelphia Eagles

Jabril Cox

LB, LSU

 

91.

Philadelphia Eagles

Brady Christensen

OT, BYU

 

102.

Philadelphia Eagles

Andre Cisco

S, Syracuse

 

123.

Philadelphia Eagles

Trey Sermon

RB, Ohio State

 

129.

Philadelphia Eagles

Ronnie Perkins

EDGE, Oklahoma

 

146.

Philadelphia Eagles

Justyn Ross

WR, Clemson

 

150.

Philadelphia Eagles

Cory Durden

IDL, Florida State

 

184.

Philadelphia Eagles

Patrick Johnson

EDGE, Tulane

 

198.

Philadelphia Eagles

Bobby Brown III

IDL, Texas A&M

 

213.

Philadelphia Eagles

Alec Lindstrom

IOL, Boston College

 

225.

Philadelphia Eagles

Roger McCreary

CB, Auburn

 

243.

Philadelphia Eagles

Ventrell Miller

LB, Florida

6 hours ago, macgregor said:

Fun fact. You know who else besides Carson is 26-21 with the Eagles? Chip Kelly. That last season wrote Chip's epitaph, and he's still hated to this day. It wasn't even as bad as Wentz's.

Weird. So what you're saying is, 26-21 is not the same as 26-21. I'd call that biased math.

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When’s the best time to go to the dentist?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tooth Hurty 

Before your tooth starts hurting

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This team would probably be better off if they demoted Doug to OC and hired a new HC

NOPE!!!!!!!!!  I don't want him anywhere near the offense.

8 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I wonder if Doug is smart enough to know his only chance of surviving past the next 1-2 years is to surround himself with highly qualified and respected OC and DC who can give this team a chance to compete.

Elevating Press Taylor or bringing in some inexperienced intern and calling them the OC will mean an inevitable end 

Just 1 o.c. and give him the offense. Just 1 d.c. and give him the defense. Doug can run for ice cream.

7 hours ago, macgregor said:

Fun fact. You know who else besides Carson is 26-21 with the Eagles? Chip Kelly. That last season wrote Chip's epitaph, and he's still hated to this day. It wasn't even as bad as Wentz's.

I didn't know Wentz coached the team? Thanks for the info

7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

The media is missing it on Carson, IMHO.  With Zoom contact and no media presence, I think they are guessing as much as the rest of us.  Private conversations are not visible.  Now given Carson’s cap hit on 2021, I do believe Howie is seeking a restructure and some of the noise is generated by his agent.  But coach and player contact is different.  I believe that with Carson’s "benching” that Pederson came to him and pointed to the shambles of the OL and the hits he was taking and effects.  He probably pointed out his yips.  He probably said, Hurts needs some experience given the lack of a PS and given his running ability and your (Carson’s) importance to the franchise, we are sitting you because we are out of it and getting Jalen the experience. Do I think Howie in trying to restructure favorable to the Eagles pointed out the yips and that the agent publicized a fractured relationship with Doug as part of the negotiations, yes.  Do I think the media bit,on the agent "leak”, absolutely. They have to because it might be true.  Do I believe it is true? No.  

I also think Doug was reasonably honest with Hurts?  He probably said, we are sitting Wentz to get you some reps and see who you are.  No reflection on Carson but rather to get you an opportunity.  We always have competition at every position. Do your best.

Do I believe last week that Doug said to Hurts that the last game at some point I am pulling you.  We have nothing to play for and Nate Sudfeld will be a FA after the game and we are going to give him an opportunity to put some snap on tape.  No reflection on you but rather respect for Nate, given his position. 

Do I believe that the players except Doug’s position? Yes. Does Carson believe Howie is an arse for bringing up the yips in negotiations?  Yes but he understands it is a business.  I was in business 40+ years. Is the media that myopic?  No wonder the lack of their understanding as their business changes and to a degree, shrinks,

I doubt a very large portion of this. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Weird. So what you're saying is, 26-21 is not the same as 26-21. I'd call that biased math.

I think he accidentally typed Wentz but meant Pederson

36 minutes ago, greend said:

I doubt a very large portion of this. 

Its a airtight as all these other 'reports'.   Whole lot of speculating by everyone.

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Look, NFL. It's been a strange year. Let's just allow the Eagles and Texans to swap quarterbacks without any unnecessary cap charges. It only makes sense. 😉

Sorry, I am not in the camp of Deshaun Watson is the answer. 

If they cant put weapons and an oline around Wentz, Watson will only fair worse. 

4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

198.

Philadelphia Eagles

Bobby Brown III

IDL, Texas A&M

It's your mock, so I guess it's your prerogative.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Its a airtight as all these other 'reports'.   Whole lot of speculating by everyone.

Yup, but I doubt most of those as well

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Sorry, I am not in the camp of Deshaun Watson is the answer. 

If they cant put weapons and an oline around Wentz, Watson will only fair worse. 

As much as I love Wentz I disagree only because Watson can still move and run if needed. Wentz has slowed a bit.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

As much as I love Wentz I disagree only because Watson can still move and run if needed. Wentz has slowed a bit.

I agree Watson can move, and a running qb can masks your problems, but thats the problem, that only works till teams figure out how to contain them. 

If you wish to win consistently, you need to build a team who can win from the pocket. 

Yep. The lines are still key, fortunately the Eagles have enough in house talent to fix the OL.

Even if Kelce retires:  Mailata/Dillard - Seumalo/Driscoll - Herbig/Seumalo - Brooks/Herbig - Lane/Mailata, 7 capable OL for 5 spots.

Let's say they end up with Dillard - Seumalo - Herbig - Brooks - Mailata, that could be a very good OL.

Then the question is finding 3 backups with starter potential down the road, Opeta showed promise but disc injuries are career enders, Pryor regressed, Prince and Toth weren't ready for prime time, Juriga and Pierschbacher are unknowns at center. So I'd expect them to draft at least one OL, but probably not in the top 100.

The odds are against losing 4 starters off your OL, usually teams lose 1 for the season and 1 or 2 for extended periods. Which is why you need to be at least 7 deep, but no team goes 10-11 deep.

If you give Wentz a solid OL and a good QB coach (to work on his mechanics and footwork) he'll be fine. Imagine if the Steelers gave up on Big Ben after his bad 5th season, imagine if Miami gave up on Tannehill, oh they did?

Those deep routes will work in a properly constructed scheme (i.e. options if the protection breaks down, a RB who can pick up blitzers, Sanders really regressed this season), and the Eagles have WRs with the speed to make them work (just need to be coached up). Hit on a couple and the whole field opens up. But if you're struggling with pass protection or blitz pickup, plays that need 4 seconds aren't going to work - and that's on the HC/OC.

Wentz still has more than enough mobility to avoid the rush and buy time, he's not Brees or Brady back there, he's just not a running QB and should never have a RPO called for him which isn't a run pass option, i.e., he should never run the ball and if the play breaks down, just throw it away. For Wentz, like Foles, the RPO is really just a version of play action - but to sell play action, you have to run the ball enough so the defense respects the run.

With the cap limitations, Eagles have to play a lot of young players the next two years, that means in a DC you want someone who is more of a teacher than a sophisticated schemer, b/c a complex defense will lead to a lot of mistakes, and the more you focus on executing a complex scheme, the less you focus on teaching young players proper fundamentals and letting them play instinctively instead of paralysis by analysis. A DC who prefers lots of veterans who can execute and isn't comfortable on a rebuilding team will be a bad mistake. The goal should be a fast, aggressive defense that may make mistakes but runs to the ball and forces errors by the offense as well. After a couple seasons, once you're rebuilt the defense, then you up the ante.