1 minute ago, Infam said:

I am very fired up. My only fear is that we end up drafting a QB in the first.

But in Hurts-Reagor-Sanders-Goedert-Mailata we got a core of very young studs, and there is hope the new coaches can get some improvement out of some more. 

And that's just talking about the young players.. If the OL as a whole is top5 next year I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

I'm optimistic but I wouldn't classify those players as "studs". They're young and may develop into good players, but just as the negativity can go too far, so too can proclamations of greatness.  

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I think the deals for free agents are going to push money down the road.  I just don't think we're going to see big deals for free agents.  Sure we are at a disadvantage compared to Washington but look at the Free Agent market and who is on that market that makes them a significantly better team. Dallas has not cap space if they franchise Dak largely because of the drop in the cap number.  The Giants have no real cap space and will likely have to cut and restructure some players they may otherwise have kept.  It's just not a great year for any team.  

If you look at my post from late yesterday, the only real option to get under the cap is to kick the can down the road with several big contracts.  The Eagles are not going to get under the cap any other way.  This problem is going to continue for at least two more years with these contracts.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

I'm optimistic but I wouldn't classify those players as "studs". They're young and may develop into good players, but just as the negativity can go too far, so too can proclamations of greatness.  

Nah. That's five studs right there! 

That's my opinion anyways. But I am super confident with all five.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

If you look at my post from late yesterday, the only real option to get under the cap is to kick the can down the road with several big contracts.  The Eagles are not going to get under the cap any other way.  This problem is going to continue for at least two more years with these contracts.

If we keep cutting the obvious players, there is not much kicking down the road to be done.

Besides 2022 cap is expected to rise drastically, and with Wentz off the books, we will have plenty of cap to work with then.

9 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

He was clocked at over 20 mph on an 8 yard end around on one of his few chances...he is not slow...

Just have to get Reagor the ball in open space.  He’ll never have a season like Jefferson just had, and he’ll never be as explosive as Tyreek Hill — but I still think he can be a 65 catch, 900 yard WR.  If he could do it consistently that would be even better.

17 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

It's far worse than that! Many in here are so negative that they are setting up a narrative of failure just to prove a point. The first time Reagor drops a ball, it will be; ITYS Reagor sucks...the first incompletion or non-designed run; ITYS Hurts sucks...it really is too bad some are so negative they actually are looking forward to failure....douglas704 was the ultimate anti-Eagle fan in here but now he has a lot of company

 

I take it as a rebuilding year and I am going to enjoy watching the growth of the younger players...yes they are going to make mistakes, and some won't work out but it is part of a process...there is talent to be developed

Yeah this has been going on for years, too many posters would rather be right about a player failing than watch them succeed.

Reagor as a first round pick and other guys namely jefferson drafted after him are going to be focal points of Tate Hate, just another day in the neighborhood👎

16 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

When Reagor first played with Wentz wasn't he an NFL virgin?

Was Reagor not "nicked-up" when Wentz was at QB?

Should we not expect for Reagor to be better at the end of his first season than he was at the beginning?

 

Reagor was nicked-up when Wentz was the QB but was in perfect health at the end of a long season after Reagor had already suffered several injuries? 

16 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He had 1 bomb with Hurts. 55-60 yards? so 11 for 110. in 4 games. meh

 

 

He had a 34 yard reception from Hurts against Green Bay.  So if you want to remove that (as if that makes any sense) it would be 11 receptions for 140 yards. 

So do we remove the one bomb he had from Wentz in week 1 then? 

18 receptions for 167 yards in 6 games with Wentz.  

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Reagor was nicked-up when Wentz was the QB but was in perfect health at the end of a long season after Reagor had already suffered several injuries? 

Foles would bring the best out of Reagor 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

You’re doing some serious glossing over of things if you want to simply chalk this up to the NFL cycle. 

We went from having one of the best young QBs and rosters in the NFL along with one of the best HCs to none of the above in the blink of an eye.

Good players and good rosters age, that’s true. A franchise’s window for contention changes. That’s also true. 

But being this bad, this quickly wasn’t preordained. We got here with a FO and owner who meddled with our coaching staff, alienated our QB with a seriously mind-numbing decision to draft Hurts and managed to not draft a single impact player since 2016 (and that guy just got traded). 

Spare me the NFL is cyclical. The Eagles aren’t some ship out to sea, sailing at the mercy of the wind. We created a huge mess, and to be where we are today is absolutely shocking. 

It's shocking how fast it came.  It's not shocking at all that it happened. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It's shocking how fast it came.  It's not shocking at all that it happened. 

The Niners twice in the past 10 years, reached the SB and crashed and burned immediately. I think they are a team to look out for again this year. It can be done by building up the core young players.

12 minutes ago, Infam said:

If we keep cutting the obvious players, there is not much kicking down the road to be done.

100% incorrect 

8 minutes ago, Infam said:

If we keep cutting the obvious players, there is not much kicking down the road to be done.

The above is false.  See my two posts below.

Eagles still need to find 26.2 million in cap room to break even, at least another 6-7 million to sign draft picks.  That leaves no room for free agents.

Eagles are going to have to do restructures to get the other 32-34 million in cap room needed, which will cut into the cap in 2022 and 2023.

2022 with the cuts we know are going to happen, the Eagles currently have 35 players under contract with 70 million in cap room.

6-8 million will be for draft picks, and you have players that need to be re signed.  Then you are taking a chunk of that from 2021 moving it to 2022 and 2023.

Trust me, it is not going to get better fast.  Plus, when you restructure Cox, Lane, Slay, Hargrave, Brooks, Graham to free up cap room, that makes them impossible to cut in 2022.

 

15 hours ago, downundermike said:

It is really the only option available.  They already restructured Malik Jackson and Alshon Jeffrey to make them post June 1 cuts. Those savings do not help the Eagles get under the cap to start the league year.

Then cutting / trading Ertz, Barnett and Goodwin, Eagles are still 26.2 million over the cap. 

The only remaining players with a cap savings of over 1 million you could cut are

Cox, 21 million dead, 2 million saved, Maddox, 1.4 million saved.

I honestly have no idea how Howie can fix this without crippling future years.  He really has made a mess.

 

15 hours ago, downundermike said:

Those 4 players, here is the best case scenario of cut or trade.  Remember in all these scenarios, the guys below the top 51 cut off then move up and add to the cap.

Cox, 21.034 million dead, 2.065 million in savings

Graham, no go, you replace his 716K saved with a 780K contract.

Lane, no go, adds 11.5 million to his cap number in a trade, worse if cut.

Brooks, 12.25 million dead, 1.52 million in savings.

 

 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To be fair with Reagor, Doug tried to turn him into DeSean, and was making some weird play calls, Ward on WR screens? WTF?

Doug thought he was going to bring the KC offense to Philly. Or something like that.

I suspect Sirianni will get Reagor and Watkins a lot more touches in space, while developing Fulgham, JJAW and any other big WRs as targets over the middle of the field.

I agree that Doug just did not do enough to make it easy for Reagor to get involved early in the season.  I have no idea how Sirianni's system will work for Hurts.  I don't think his scheme is any kind of radical departure from Doug.  I think whoever the QB is he will plan on limited reads and easy throws.  

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, but would Foles bring out the best in Rueben Randle?  That's the real question.  

Foles would throw for 100 TDs in 16 games with that beast in the lineup 

16 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, but would Foles bring out the best in Rueben Randle?  That's the real question.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I agree that Doug just did not do enough to make it easy for Reagor to get involved early in the season.  I have no idea how Sirianni's system will work for Hurts.  I don't think his scheme is any kind of radical departure from Doug.  I think whoever the QB is he will plan on limited reads and easy throws.  

I believe whatever we see from Sirianni, the offense will be phased in with chunks over time. To help Hurts' development, it will be simple reads and quick throws horizontally.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree that Doug just did not do enough to make it easy for Reagor to get involved early in the season.  I have no idea how Sirianni's system will work for Hurts.  I don't think his scheme is any kind of radical departure from Doug.  I think whoever the QB is he will plan on limited reads and easy throws.  

I think it'll be more like the Eagles circa 2017 than 2020, Indy uses RBs and TES a lot, lots of underneath routes, of course, some of this was dictated by Rivers.

One advantage with Sirianni is with no pressure to win now, he won't be tempted to put in the RPO or some other scheme predicated on Hurts' athleticism to win games, he can afford to put in an offense built around sustainable concepts.

25 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Reagor was nicked-up when Wentz was the QB but was in perfect health at the end of a long season after Reagor had already suffered several injuries? 

People do recover from injuries. (Except when you are old like me, it seems.)

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The above is false.  See my two posts below.

Eagles still need to find 26.2 million in cap room to break even, at least another 6-7 million to sign draft picks.  That leaves no room for free agents.

Eagles are going to have to do restructures to get the other 32-34 million in cap room needed, which will cut into the cap in 2022 and 2023.

2022 with the cuts we know are going to happen, the Eagles currently have 35 players under contract with 70 million in cap room.

6-8 million will be for draft picks, and you have players that need to be re signed.  Then you are taking a chunk of that from 2021 moving it to 2022 and 2023.

Trust me, it is not going to get better fast.  Plus, when you restructure Cox, Lane, Slay, Hargrave, Brooks, Graham to free up cap room, that makes them impossible to cut in 2022.

 

 

 

I think they don't have to restructure Graham or Slay if they restructure Lane, Cox and Hargrave. I also think they will realize enough in cap savings from the post June 1 designations on Alshon and Jackson to be able to have space to sign some FAs.  My guess is that they sign one veteran QB.  All of this underlies the importance on maximizing return on picks and acquiring more picks if possible.  I would be fine if they traded down to acquire picks. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think it'll be more like the Eagles circa 2017 than 2020, Indy uses RBs and TES a lot, lots of underneath routes, of course, some of this was dictated by Rivers.

One advantage with Sirianni is with no pressure to win now, he won't be tempted to put in the RPO or some other scheme predicated on Hurts' athleticism to win games, he can afford to put in an offense built around sustainable concepts.

It will be interesting to see whether he's going to look at seam routes because that's one throw where Wentz excelled and we didn't see much of with Hurts.  

8 hours ago, austinfan said:

It does help to pick in the top ten.

Check back in three years on the pro bowl players.

Lots of people in here want to trade out of the top 10

Can we at least be honest about how Howie got us to this point? It's a magical combination of both poor drafting and 2017 deluding Howie into believing he had found a market inefficiency he could exploit. We've all covered the catastrophic drafting (yes, afan, it has been horrific), so let's focus on the later. One of the things I actually like about Howie is he tries to seek out value; things like not paying big money for RBs or LBs makes sense because the value of those guys over a replacement player isn't huge and the positions are dependent on other areas of the team (the lines) to be successful. But 2017 had Howie believe he has discovered a new market inefficiency and value -- "older" players that were being discarded by their prior teams as they approached late 20s/early 30s. 

In 2017 these signings worked fantastically. Alshon was 27 but somewhat damaged goods -- he signed a one year deal for only $14 million before we handed him an extension later in the year. That original deal was fantastic. Then there was Torrey Smith -- one year older than Alshon, he basically signed a one year, $5 million deal. Blount signed a one year, $1.25mm incentive laden deal at 30. Patrick Robinson. Jay Ajayi. Nigel Bradham (signed in 2016). Every singing was a guy in his late 20s with some hair that Howie got on the "cheap," and they ALL WORKED. 

So Howie thought he found the new way to win -- sign "older" guys who are being undervalued by the market. So we get Mike Wallace, DeSean Jackson, Malik Jackson, etc. And then Howie finds out why guys like that don't get big money, because you can't count on them to stay healthy. Howie thought he was being smarter than everyone else and implementing a new plan; he didn't realize that we just got lucky as hell in 2017 as guys stayed healthy and had career years. 

Howie's own ego of thinking he had found some great market inefficiency, combined with a complete lack of young talent, has gotten us to this point.

They should be major players in the UDFA market, obviously lot's of opportunities to make the roster.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I also think they will realize enough in cap savings from the post June 1 designations on Alshon and Jackson to be able to have space to sign some FAs.

You do not get those savings until June 1, so it does not help you get under the cap March 17th, and you can't spend them until June 1.  Free agents are all signed by then.