Let's try something different there.  Who would you like the Eagles to draft in the 1st if you can't pick a QB or WR/TE?

Daniel Jeremiah released his list of his top 50 prospects for 2020 earlier today and he has Caleb Farley at #5 is someone I'd be happy with the Eagles drafting at 6 even with QBs and WR/TEs on the board. 

My favorite for the Eagles top non-QB/WR/TE players at 6 are probably 1 Caleb Farley,  2 Patrick Surtain II, 4 Micah Parsons, 3 Gregory Rousseau, 5 An OT.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

 

Caleb Farley just has so much raw physical talent and ability.  He has the body of a safety with the speed and ability of a corner.  You watch him and he just jumps out with his play.  He has that high level intensity and energy that is contagious for a defense.  Our defense has no real young blue chip players.  All that we have left are Graham and Cox and they both on the wrong side of 30.  Even Slay is on the wrong side of 30.  Great top end corners are also so much harder to come by than great top end WRs.  I look at Caleb Farley and I see someone who can potentially be that Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey CB who is instantly going to make their presence felt and establish themselves over their entire careers as great cornerbacks. 

 

If we draft Farley not only does our secondary look kinda interesting with Farley and Slay outside but it also gives us a blue chip player on defense to build around in the long term.  In a division filled with great young WRs just stick him out there to handle them and get in their heads for the next decade.  

 

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Do you think Cox would be in the Donald category if he had decent help on the line to take away the triple and double teams?

 

He wouldn't be in the Donald category if he needed help to take away double and triple teams.  You don't think that Donald is constantly being double and triple teamed?  He's an animal, an absolute legendary all time great.  

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do you think Cox would be in the Donald category if he had decent help on the line to take away the triple and double teams?

No. Donald is in the Donald category with triple and double teams.

Fletcher Cox is a HOF player...but it may take him 10 years to get in.
Aaron Donald is a no-doubt, 1st ballot HOFamer. He's the best defensive lineman since Reggie White.

19 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do you think Cox would be in the Donald category if he had decent help on the line to take away the triple and double teams?

He certainly hasn’t had it bad. Graham is definitely a good player. Tim Jernigan was solid and so was Malik this year. 
 

Cox is a borderline HOFer, but he’s not Donald. 

Farley would make a ton of sense. Let slay mentor him

Snyder is about to lose his grip on WTF, probably about to get boxed out with Bezos buying.

Lurie 1 step closer to being the most annoying owner in the division.

Chase, Pitts or Fraley sound good to me at #6. Get me a game changer.

17 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Farley would make a ton of sense. Let slay mentor him

A 23 year old rookie CB -- in this city? Y'all will be writing his eulogy 2 years into his second contract

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Snyder is about to lose his grip on WTF, probably about to get boxed out with Bezos buying.

Lurie 1 step closer to being the most annoying owner in the division.

I just wish they picked a name already

I think Pitts is the way to go pro

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Let's try something different there.  Who would you like the Eagles to draft in the 1st if you can't pick a QB or WR/TE?

Daniel Jeremiah released his list of his top 50 prospects for 2020 earlier today and he has Caleb Farley at #5 is someone I'd be happy with the Eagles drafting at 6 even with QBs and WR/TEs on the board. 

My favorite for the Eagles top non-QB/WR/TE players at 6 are probably 1 Caleb Farley,  2 Patrick Surtain II, 4 Micah Parsons, 3 Gregory Rousseau, 5 An OT.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

 

Caleb Farley just has so much raw physical talent and ability.  He has the body of a safety with the speed and ability of a corner.  You watch him and he just jumps out with his play.  He has that high level intensity and energy that is contagious for a defense.  Our defense has no real young blue chip players.  All that we have left are Graham and Cox and they both on the wrong side of 30.  Even Slay is on the wrong side of 30.  Great top end corners are also so much harder to come by than great top end WRs.  I look at Caleb Farley and I see someone who can potentially be that Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey CB who is instantly going to make their presence felt and establish themselves over their entire careers as great cornerbacks. 

 

If we draft Farley not only does our secondary look kinda interesting with Farley and Slay outside but it also gives us a blue chip player on defense to build around in the long term.  In a division filled with great young WRs just stick him out there to handle them and get in their heads for the next decade.  

 

 

Sewell by a country mile.

Just saw Kyle Pitts won’t be 21 until October. I’m not sold on him yet but that’s a big plus 

Chase or Pitts at 6 😁

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just saw Kyle Pitts won’t be 21 until October. I’m not sold on him yet but that’s a big plus 

I would definitely be one of those guys who has Pitts on my board as a WR and not a TE.

Sure, a Zach Ertz clone is worth a high pick.  But no one ever knows they are getting a clone of anyone.  Players on the Zach Ertz spectrum (slick receiving TE's who don't block) do not have high first round value as draft prospects.

He needs to be graded as a WR.  He might be the best one in the draft, might not.  Tricky to project.

I'm still Team DeVonta Smith.

3/31: Florida Pro-Day

3/21: Alabama Pro-Day

That's basically your combine right there.

22 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Sewell by a country mile.

Do you know why some mocks are rating the other tackle higher? Last year it seemed like everyone was saying he's a generational tackle. Now I'm seeing some mocks having the other guy higher.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I would definitely be one of those guys who has Pitts on my board as a WR and not a TE.

Sure, a Zach Ertz clone is worth a high pick.  But no one ever knows they are getting a clone of anyone.  Players on the Zach Ertz spectrum (slick receiving TE's who don't block) do not have high first round value as draft prospects.

He needs to be graded as a WR.  He might be the best one in the draft, might not.  Tricky to project.

Supposedly his blocking has greatly improved.

Ertz ran a 4.68, while he's a smooth route running H-back, he's not Tony Gonzales, Pitts might be.

The advantage of a 6'4 240 H-back with WR skills is you can line him up anywhere and create mismatches. Imagine him with Goedert, JJAW and Reagor.  Line him up pre-snap next to Goedert on the right with Sanders in the backfield, a power right formation - then have him go in motion to the left, join JJAW to block for Reagor on a WR screen - 225 and 240 lb WRs blocking DBs. With the size and athleticism to block LBs on the second level he can open up big plays for Sanders.

That blocking threat makes it much harder to cover him. You have to respect the run as well as account for the WRs - do you treat it as a 12 formation or 3 WRs?

The other value of course is as a red zone target, 6'4 with long arms matched up on a safety, for example, who would you bet on?

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Supposedly his blocking has greatly improved.

Ertz ran a 4.68, while he's a smooth route running H-back, he's not Tony Gonzales, Pitts might be.

The advantage of a 6'4 240 H-back with WR skills is you can line him up anywhere and create mismatches. Imagine him with Goedert, JJAW and Reagor.  Line him up pre-snap next to Goedert on the right with Sanders in the backfield, a power right formation - then have him go in motion to the left, join JJAW to block for Reagor on a WR screen - 225 and 240 lb WRs blocking DBs. With the size and athleticism to block LBs on the second level he can open up big plays for Sanders.

That blocking threat makes it much harder to cover him. You have to respect the run as well as account for the WRs - do you treat it as a 12 formation or 3 WRs?

The other value of course is as a red zone target, 6'4 with long arms matched up on a safety, for example, who would you bet on?

That's a really slow offense.  I'd could see him with Goedert, Reagor, and a fast 2nd WR.  I thought Doug's offenses taught us that one token, predictable speedster at Z is easily defensible.

If he has the athleticism and speed to get open against NFL CBs, then he's got enough size and length to be a devastating mismatch as a WR.  No in-line blocking even necessary.  The only option teams will have is to treat him as a WR when matching personnel.  At that point, if you want to have him block next to Goedert against a mismatched nickel defense to run it with Sanders, then have at it.

But we need someone besides just Reagor in the base offense who can create space.  JJAW plus 2 TE's on the field at the same time just doesn't do it for me.

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's a really slow offense.  I'd could see him with Goedert, Reagor, and a fast 2nd WR.  I thought Doug's offenses taught us that one token, predictable speedster at Z is easily defensible.

If he has the athleticism and speed to get open against NFL CBs, then he's got enough size and length to be a devastating mismatch as a WR.  No in-line blocking even necessary.  The only option teams will have is to treat him as a WR when matching personnel.  At that point, if you want to have him block next to Goedert against a mismatched nickel defense to run it with Sanders, then have at it.

But we need someone besides just Reagor in the base offense who can create space.  JJAW plus 2 TE's on the field at the same time just doesn't do it for me.

Yep. The evolution of 12 personnel is two Z WRs and an above-average pass catching RB. Done properly, I don't think there's a defense in the league that can handle that. 

Edit: this is especially true if your Z's are just effective horizontally as they are vertically, and your TEs can attack downfield.

44 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I would definitely be one of those guys who has Pitts on my board as a WR and not a TE.

Sure, a Zach Ertz clone is worth a high pick.  But no one ever knows they are getting a clone of anyone.  Players on the Zach Ertz spectrum (slick receiving TE's who don't block) do not have high first round value as draft prospects.

He needs to be graded as a WR.  He might be the best one in the draft, might not.  Tricky to project.

Comparing Pitts to Ertz is so wrong. Pitts to Mike Evans is much more accurate. And Pitts is taller, heavier, and moves better than Evans.

 

 

Kelvin Joseph is who he out ran. He's been getting hype as a 1st rounder corner with 4.4 speed.

If Pitts runs 4.68 I'll eat my shoe

After the Wentz, Goff, and Big Ben fiascos, do you think NFL teams will finally learn their lesson that giving non top-5 QBs monster contracts is dumb as hell?

12 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Comparing Pitts to Ertz is so wrong. Pitts to Mike Evans is much more accurate. And Pitts is taller, heavier, and moves better than Evans.

Well that's the point.  Mike Evans is a WR.

If you make Pitts put a hand in the dirt and face off with an OL for a chunk of snaps, you are functionally grounding him.