If he has Slater ranked higher, it means he feels more comfortable with Slater as an NFL prospect than Sewell. Sure, he recognizes that Slater has a higher ceiling, but clearly he believes in Slater more as an NFL player. Mocking Sewell higher just means he thinks NFL GMs will see it differently than he does. I haven't seen either play all that closely, so I have no opinion. I've actually heard and read that Slater has no business in the top 10 discussion.

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait.  That route that any WR can run didn’t convince you to draft him at #6 overall?   Damn this draft sucks.  

Yeah a 6'6" 240 4.4 guy who toasted every single corner in the SEC at 18 and 19 years old is Fing Evan Engram*. Couldn't even spell his name right

 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This look like a TE???? 

If it does, Jerry will draft him at #10.  They’re not short on pass catchers — but Jones doesn’t seem to care about roster construction.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

If it does, Jerry will draft him at #10.  They’re not short on pass catchers — but Jones doesn’t seem to care about roster construction.

Pretty terrible coverage by the defensive back there

On 2/23/2021 at 10:19 AM, BigEFly said:

JR, when I tagged Hurts as a one read and run guy last winter before the draft, I meant that to mean he took a quick read and then ran in college.  He was too fast giving up on the play and trusting his feet.  Both he and Carson were guilty of that last year and this old man would have done the same thing if I was back there.  The protection would disappear quickly from the disjointed OL last year. We need to be cautious judging Hurts by his play last season. That said, he needs to work on his anticipation.  I suspect Johnson may be just the guy to help him do that.

 

That’s what he did but it’s understandable him being thrown in there certainly wasn’t the plan. Hopefully he does it less but him being able to run can be an asset just has to be a smart guy. He can manipulate the D with that ability. Noticed he needs to work on throwing when rolling ( sprinting ) to the left. I think a smart hybrid QB will work taking off maybe an unplanned 5 or so times a game to keep them honest and put the thought in their head. Need good receivers who are on the same page with him to ad lib once in a while. Just saying I wouldn’t right him off and seems like the kind of guy not to take the opportunity for granted. Seems like he gets out of bounds to avoid hits

On 2/23/2021 at 11:27 AM, Mike030270 said:

There are teams that won a SB and didn't end up at the bottom of the NFL afterwards...

It's not like you win and then end up trash

Needed to let people walk like the NE model, no more Mr. Nice Guy

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

  I thought Doug's offenses taught us that one token, predictable speedster at Z is easily defensible.

 

Doug's offenses taught us that one token, predictable speedster stuck in the training room is easily defensible. When the token speedster was actually on the field, Doug's offense worked.

On 2/23/2021 at 1:46 PM, Alphagrand said:

Now that Wentz is in IND, the Eagles haven’t drafted a Pro Bowl player since Lane and Ertz were drafted in 2013.  There is no way to remain a contender if you can’t restock your talent as it gets older.

There have been bad decisions in FA and some trades haven’t worked out — but getting nothing out of the draft year after year is the kiss of death, and the biggest single factor in the Eagles’ rapid downfall.

The price of Wentz may have caused a chain reaction. Some could argue his worst pick yet considering but we did get the monkey off our back so worth it. Like to know relatively how snakebit injurywise we were over the last 4-5 years just to have a better perspective. I’ll say it again think we would’ve made the 2018 SB if Wallace and Brooks finished the season. For reference Wallace missed 2.75 games in his 9 previous seasons before signing with us, 1.75 due to a concussion. Fractured fibula I don’t think can be necessarily be blamed on soft training. Looking optimally, if they had just exercised Wentz’s 5th year option instead of extending him they would’ve saved about $30mil in expenses as well as salary cap, not worth the 3rd and maybe 1st considering you also get a 3rd round comp pick when he leaves. Bigger mistake drafting Hurts or extending Wentz ? Hopefully Hurts can make up for Lowie’s biggest mistake on paper

On 2/23/2021 at 1:54 PM, eagle45 said:

Interesting factoid: After Ertz is cut/traded, the Eagles will go into next season without a player who has ever been a 1,000 yard rusher or receiver.  

The all-time best receiving season for anyone on the roster will be 2019 Dallas Goedert: 607 yards, 10.5 ypc, 5 TD.

 

Just want the team to average about 375 ypg with a lot less turnovers and a decent D that can get more 3 and outs. Oh yeah and hardly any missed easy FG’s. Should be a playoff team. Our turnover differential needs to be positive not way negative

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This look like a TE???? 

Yes 

22 hours ago, ManuManu said:

While we’re all piling on AF, I have to admit that I agree to a certain extent that Howie ran into bad luck. While older players are more risk for an injury, it’s pretty wild that Wallace, D Jackson and M Jackson all came here and basically missed four of their combined five seasons here, not to mention other injuries. And Covid obviously helped make a bad cap situation a disaster. 

Definitely gotta do a better job there 😏

22 hours ago, ManuManu said:

While we’re all piling on AF, I have to admit that I agree to a certain extent that Howie ran into bad luck. While older players are more risk for an injury, it’s pretty wild that Wallace, D Jackson and M Jackson all came here and basically missed four of their combined five seasons here, not to mention other injuries. And Covid obviously helped make a bad cap situation a disaster. 

Desean is the only one of those three that would be able to change the outcome of a game 

22 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

then it was just good luck we stayed healthy enough to win (and avoid Rodgers) the title. So howie doesnt get credit, it was just good luck.

Since we are talking about a non playoff team may I submit Wilson/Seahawks ? We’ve beaten Rodgers several times but never Wilson. Can’t beat em might as well join em

22 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

D Jackson and Mike Wallace was not a surprise.  Everyone knew two old speedsters would breakdown eventually.  

Yeah Wallace with his osteoporosis. Could’ve seen that coming from a mile away

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This look like a TE???? 

He doesn't show good hands here.  He also jumps for no reason.  He made this harder than it should have been.

On 2/23/2021 at 7:58 AM, ManuManu said:

While we’re all piling on AF, I have to admit that I agree to a certain extent that Howie ran into bad luck. While older players are more risk for an injury, it’s pretty wild that Wallace, D Jackson and M Jackson all came here and basically missed four of their combined five seasons here, not to mention other injuries. And Covid obviously helped make a bad cap situation a disaster. 

Giving big money to players at the age of 30 and above is not 'bad luck', its disregarding the reality that older players break down more frequently than younger players, and older players take longer to recover from injury than younger players. 

Its not just the reliance on the older players, its the money spent on them as well.  Its a double whammy.  Lose the old players, fine.  Be locked in to the broken down old players because you over paid them, that's not fine.  That's a failure to do one's due diligence and mitigate the risk.   At least Wallace was a cheaper 1 year deal... unlike the Jacksons.

One of the reasons I don't want the Eagles to trade out of the top 10 is if they do, the Cowboys and Giants both now pick ahead of them.  I don't want either of those teams having the bigger talent pool to pick from, regardless if it's just 1 or 2 draft slots.

CeeDee Lamb was my favorite college player to watch over the last 5 years and was hoping he would be an Eagle.  In the draft, i said as long as he doesn't go to the Cowboys I'll be OK.  Well we know how that worked out.  I feel the same way about Pitts.

Pitts was by far one of the most exciting players to watch and a guy I've been talking about on here for months.  He's the guy I want.  First and foremost, he's an offensive weapon.  He's a matchup nightmare.  He's a guy if the Eagles had, the defense is going to have to gameplan against.  There isn't one player on offense now that truly scares the other team.  No one is saying where is Jalen Reagor?Who's covering Greg Ward!  If Pitts is here, you better believe the defenses are scrambling trying to figure out who's covering the 6-6 240 WR/TE.  He makes the offense better, he makes Jalen Hurts better and helps the Eagles WR get more spacing.

If they trade out of the top 10, I'd put money that either Dallas or NYG take him and then we have to worry about covering PItts the next 5 years rather than figuring out how to use him.  

Dallas has nothing at tight end and they could easily take Pitts to fill that role.  Jerry LOVES weapons on offense.  They could even look to trade Cooper and play Pitts outside.  Pitts, Gallop, Lamb

NYG had Plaxico Burress years ago.  Pitts is a better Burress if you play him at WR.  Think about that group of offensive weapons with Shepard, Slayton, Ingram and Pitts.

I hate both scenarios.

 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

One of the reasons I don't want the Eagles to trade out of the top 10 is if they do, the Cowboys and Giants both now pick ahead of them.  I don't want either of those teams having the bigger talent pool to pick from, regardless if it's just 1 or 2 draft slots.

CeeDee Lamb was my favorite college player to watch over the last 5 years and was hoping he would be an Eagle.  In the draft, i said as long as he doesn't go to the Cowboys I'll be OK.  Well we know how that worked out.  I feel the same way about Pitts.

Pitts was by far one of the most exciting players to watch and a guy I've been talking about on here for months.  He's the guy I want.  First and foremost, he's an offensive weapon.  He's a matchup nightmare.  He's a guy if the Eagles had, the defense is going to have to gameplan against.  There isn't one player on offense now that truly scares the other team.  No one is saying where is Jalen Reagor?Who's covering Greg Ward!  If Pitts is here, you better believe the defenses are scrambling trying to figure out who's covering the 6-6 240 WR/TE.  He makes the offense better, he makes Jalen Hurts better and helps the Eagles WR get more spacing.

If they trade out of the top 10, I'd put money that either Dallas or NYG take him and then we have to worry about covering PItts the next 5 years rather than figuring out how to use him.  

Dallas has nothing at tight end and they could easily take Pitts to fill that role.  Jerry LOVES weapons on offense.  They could even look to trade Cooper and play Pitts outside.  Pitts, Gallop, Lamb

NYG had Plaxico Burress years ago.  Pitts is a better Burress if you play him at WR.  Think about that group of offensive weapons with Shepard, Slayton, Ingram and Pitts.

I hate both scenarios.

 

A lot will depend on Carolina and what they do about QB. I could easily see Pitts going to them at 8. But just as easily could see them taking Lance, or Parsons.

At this point, I'd be content with either Chase, Farley or Parsons at 6. Or Sewell of course, though I expect he's gone by then. 

In the NFC East, there is always another team that asks the Eagles to hold their beer.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We need to build the right draft board for us and the next 2-8 years.  Not a draft board based on what our division rivals might or might not do.  That's the same flawed logic when we took Dallas Goedert and we have a ton more holes than we did then.  We have more holes than Dallas and NYG.  We can't afford to grab a guy because we are afraid someone else might take him.  Pitts is match up nightmare in college football.  Not as much in the pros.  Fast TE come along all the time.  Big WR come along all the time.  We can't pick someone at #6 overall who has a / in their title.  Sorry, it's a dumb idea.  If he is being touted as a WR then why does it matter that Dallas doesn't have a TE?  Dallas would be stupid to draft another pass catcher in the 1st round.  NYG would be as well.  We would be insane to draft Pitts at 6.....We need foundation pieces...not window dressing.  

I agree with that and actually posted something very similar a few days ago and how the Eagles have drafted players because they heard other teams might take them and that's a bad model.

All of your arguments are things I've thought about and I definitely understand that thought process.  I think a 20 year old weapon, who I think will be a matchup nightmare in the NFL as well is a great foundation piece.  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He doesn't show good hands here.  He also jumps for no reason.  He made this harder than it should have been.

 

I think he has good hands.  He's so big and athletic that if you throw it in his area even if he is swamped with coverage he had the ability to go up and get it over other defenders. 

Has no one else watched Metcalf destroy our defense the past two seasons and wish we had a human that size to throw it to? 

 

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I am usually dead set against a LB in the 1st round.  But to show you how adamant I am when I say that Pitts is a bad idea, I would rather we draft Parsons.  

I want Parsons in the first and Freiermuth in the second. I know you've heard it before. But it's like my dream draft. We probably could trade down two or three spots and get Parsons

Pitts will be useless if we cant protect reliably, etc. does he help the run game? doubtful.

Have to build the foundation, then the garage, before you try to park a ferrari in it.

2 minutes ago, Right4thePicking said:

I want Parsons in the first and Freiermuth in the second. I know you've heard it before. But it's like my dream draft. We probably could trade down two or three spots and get Parsons

And Jay Paterno as QB coach?