Also, pushing money out doesn't really matter, since a young team has a lot of players on first contracts and won't have to sign them to extensions until 2023-24, in fact, if you really go young, you may want to push some money forward to meet the minimum cap until 2024 instead of signing bad free agents to short-term deals.

21 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

sold out to rebuild the OL and dropped out of the first entirely. loaded for 2022

Other than the mock with Sewell and Davis, I like this the most.

The only 2 TEs I can recall in recent memory to get Kyle Pitts level hype are Kellen Winslow II and Vernon Davis. Both Winslow and Davis weren't complete busts in that they had complete seasons that flashed their insane potential, but neither player could ever sustain it.

59 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To those who get the salary cap much better than I do, how the hell will the Eagles get under the cap if the money saved from Alshon and Malik doesn’t kick in until June 1?

1.  Howie Roseman has this all worked out

2.  You’re not going to like it

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep yep yep.  Ideal would be to trade down.  I’m I have beaten that dead horse in here for only 3 months.  

And if it’s not an option to trade back (which pretty much all or us would consider ideal) cause trades don’t happen easily.What Qb OL or CB would you have at 6? 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

To those who get the salary cap much better than I do, how the hell will the Eagles get under the cap if the money saved from Alshon and Malik doesn’t kick in until June 1?

Like others have said, it’s going to be restructures. They did open up some cap now by restructuring Alshon and Malik. The additional savings they will get in June will probably go to the rookie class and in season signings. 
 

And pushing money into 2022 and beyond absolutely matters. Don’t listen to the Howie defense spin. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Haven't looked a lot. Demetric Felton has been one of my guys since last year as well. 

Now TDN is losing him as a WR...

 

Sermon and even Teague seem nice but haven't watched closely. 

I was never a fan of Hubbard.

Yeah I like Felton as well. Reminds me of a Curtis Samuel. Fast explosive can catch and run. 
 

Doesn’t have the numbers and kinda skinny at 185 but man he has a great Stiff arm for a small guy. 

Kyle Pitts is just this generations Matt Jones. 

29 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Other than the mock with Sewell and Davis, I like this the most.

Check my post above. I'm now convinced that the Eagles will follow the Indy model and shore up the OL first, before focusing on skill people, and draft for defense.

The Reich offense both here and in Indy puts a huge emphasis on the OL, and coordinating the passing game with blocking schemes. While Luck (his last season) and Rivers weren't mobile QBs, Wentz pre-ACL certainly was, but I don't think Reich likes the Seattle "let your QB run for his life and make plays" approach (which is the Buddy "let Cunningham make six plays a game" approach with better skill players).

The Reich scheme, which I'm pretty sure Sirianni will install with some of his own tweaks, schemes average skill players open rather than depend on top skill players doing it on their own.

12 top 100 picks in the 3 years Reich has been in Indy, plus the 1st they traded for Buckner - two WRs, Pittman #34-2020, Campbell #59-2019, Nelson G #6-2018, Smith T #37-2018, 1 RB, Taylor #41-2020. But 4 LBs, a safety, a CB, a DE and a trade for a DT.

So it tells me the approach is to build the OL, use limited resources on skill people and draft for defense.

2017 Colts, Brissett at QB, only scored 263 points (two years later with Brissett back at QB, 361 points), Gore/Mack at RB, Hilton/Moncrief/Rogers at WR, Doyle at TE, Hilton and Doyle were both pro bowl that season. OL:  Castonzo - Vujnovich - Kelly (1st 2016) - Mewhort (#59-2014) - Haeg

1st season moves:  Draft Nelson, Smith, Hines RB 4th rd, Wilkins RB 5th rd, Pascal WR promoted from PS (waived by Wash) to starter, Rogers gets bigger role, Ryan Grant signed to 1yr/$5M contract, Dontrell Inman picked up off the street in October, Marcus Johnson claimed on waivers from Phl, Ebron signed to 2 yr/$15M deal, makes pro bowl after Doyle gets hurt, Allie-Cox promoted from PS. Nelson LG and Smith RT start immediately, Glowinski RG picked up off waivers, resigned after the 2018 season to 3yr/$18M deal.

Reich turned it around with no 1st rd skill draft picks, 1 medium priced acquisition (Ebron) and a bunch of waiver wire pickups and PS promotions. The only investment on a terrible offense was on the OL. Of course, it helped to get Luck back, but in 2018 he was a shell of his former self and retired after that seasons.

Where have we seen this before, Andy Reid in 2000.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

By the way, I posted a blurb from Daniel Jeremiah that touted Trey Lance’s accuracy, but then I listened to his podcast yesterday and he talked about too many bad misses. 

Ha.  Weird.  Who knows.  I guess I'd have to watch myself.  I haven't really gotten that interested in the draft yet this year. 

The Eagles have used the building on the lines model for like the last 20 years as well, it seems to be their baseline strategy. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kyle Pitts is just this generations Matt Jones. 

Didn't know Kyle Pitts was addicted to cocaine.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

i thought the June 1 designation just meant you can spread the cap hit out over this year and next year

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, but my understanding is that the cap savings don’t actually kick in until June 1. 

That's correct. 

 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Like others have said, it’s going to be restructures. They did open up some cap now by restructuring Alshon and Malik. The additional savings they will get in June will probably go to the rookie class and in season signings. 
 

And pushing money into 2022 and beyond absolutely matters. Don’t listen to the Howie defense spin. 

Exactly right, Howie, once again left himself kicking the can down the road.

This is the 3rd time I am asking about this guy.  Yet to get one response.  If ANYONE knows anything about this dude, please give some insight.  He looks to be a potential sleeper in the 3rd or 4th round.  

Christian Watson, 6 4 and 200lbs.  The dude can fly but he is also big and seems decent at high pointing.  Seems to have good toughness after the catch.  The first highlight video doesn't show the aerial view.  If you go to the second of the two videos below, of Trey Lance, you can see his skills from the aerial view.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

This is the 3rd time I am asking about this guy.  Yet to get one response.  If ANYONE knows anything about this dude, please give some insight.  He looks to be a potential sleeper in the 3rd or 4th round.  

Christian Watson, 6 4 and 200lbs.  The dude can fly but he is also big and seems decent at high pointing.  Seems to have good toughness after the catch.  The first highlight video doesn't show the aerial view.  If you go to the second of the two videos below, of Trey Lance, you can see his skills from the aerial view.

 

 

 

Much like Carson when he came out, I wonder about how much is actually these guys being good or playing against inferior talent. Especially when it comes to skill positions. For every wentz that comes from a small school and succeeds there are probably 20 that don't do anything 

I'm a big believer in going heavy in the lines but at the same time I believe in taking what the draft gives you, and this draft is giving you a handful of really good receivers.  If Sewell falls that would be really tough to pass up but otherwise I don't see how they do anything other than take a skill position first outside of a major trade down. 

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Like others have said, it’s going to be restructures. They did open up some cap now by restructuring Alshon and Malik. The additional savings they will get in June will probably go to the rookie class and in season signings. 
 

And pushing money into 2022 and beyond absolutely matters. Don’t listen to the Howie defense spin. 

No it doesn't in a rebuild - unless you want Dream Team Part II.

By 2023 what veterans (and their contracts) will be on this team?  So who are they going to be paying as the cap escalates with the new TV contract. Not the draft picks from 2021-23, so only guys like Goedert, Barnett, Mailata, and Hurts if they extend him.

In that case, getting to the minimum will be the issue, and $10-20M in dead money pushed into 2023 will be completely irrelevant.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/2023/

 

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

And that is it.  But for this team, do we need another WR and will Pitts be a longer term solution to our issues?    If we were 2 years on in a rebuild, I'd say, ok, the risk is an interesting one to take.  Now, as a TE or WR, I'm not the biggest fan of drafting him at 6.

Another WR? You say that as if we have a bunch of starters

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm a big believer in going heavy in the lines but at the same time I believe in taking what the draft gives you, and this draft is giving you a handful of really good receivers.  If Sewell falls that would be really tough to pass up but otherwise I don't see how they do anything other than take a skill position first outside of a major trade down. 

If Sewell gets to us and we don't take him I would imagine some team might want to trade up for him. If we take sewell they can sell dillard in camp if someone loses a tackle 

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kyle Pitts is just this generations Matt Jones. 

Another one of those quarterbacks who was asked to play a different position in the NFL....

Looking back on it some more, it is interesting looking back at the TEs taken in the top 10 from this generation and last.

Kellen Winslow II (2004): Sustained multiple severe leg injuries soon after being drafted. Was never the same, but had some high end seasons statistically. Character issues.

Vernon Davis (2006): Football character issues early on. Had some great seasons, but was never the unguardable player he was projected to be.

Eric Ebron (2014): Can't catch or block. Stats aren't awful, had a couple pretty good years (his best with Nick Sirianni, by the way). Real life game is frustrating as hell.

TJ Hockenson (2019): Good all-around TE. Was overdrafted.

Pitts doesn't appear to have character issues, hands seem really solid. Not sure there's ever been a prospect like him. What he runs at his pro day will be fascinating.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No it doesn't in a rebuild - unless you want Dream Team Part II.

By 2023 what veterans (and their contracts) will be on this team?  So who are they going to be paying as the cap escalates with the new TV contract. Not the draft picks from 2021-23, so only guys like Goedert, Barnett, Mailata, and Hurts if they extend him.

In that case, getting to the minimum will be the issue, and $10-20M in dead money pushed into 2023 will be completely irrelevant.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/2023/

 

Wrong 

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Check my post above. I'm now convinced that the Eagles will follow the Indy model and shore up the OL first, before focusing on skill people, and draft for defense.

The Reich offense both here and in Indy puts a huge emphasis on the OL, and coordinating the passing game with blocking schemes. While Luck (his last season) and Rivers weren't mobile QBs, Wentz pre-ACL certainly was, but I don't think Reich likes the Seattle "let your QB run for his life and make plays" approach (which is the Buddy "let Cunningham make six plays a game" approach with better skill players).

The Reich scheme, which I'm pretty sure Sirianni will install with some of his own tweaks, schemes average skill players open rather than depend on top skill players doing it on their own.

12 top 100 picks in the 3 years Reich has been in Indy, plus the 1st they traded for Buckner - two WRs, Pittman #34-2020, Campbell #59-2019, Nelson G #6-2018, Smith T #37-2018, 1 RB, Taylor #41-2020. But 4 LBs, a safety, a CB, a DE and a trade for a DT.

So it tells me the approach is to build the OL, use limited resources on skill people and draft for defense.

2017 Colts, Brissett at QB, only scored 263 points (two years later with Brissett back at QB, 361 points), Gore/Mack at RB, Hilton/Moncrief/Rogers at WR, Doyle at TE, Hilton and Doyle were both pro bowl that season. OL:  Castonzo - Vujnovich - Kelly (1st 2016) - Mewhort (#59-2014) - Haeg

1st season moves:  Draft Nelson, Smith, Hines RB 4th rd, Wilkins RB 5th rd, Pascal WR promoted from PS (waived by Wash) to starter, Rogers gets bigger role, Ryan Grant signed to 1yr/$5M contract, Dontrell Inman picked up off the street in October, Marcus Johnson claimed on waivers from Phl, Ebron signed to 2 yr/$15M deal, makes pro bowl after Doyle gets hurt, Allie-Cox promoted from PS. Nelson LG and Smith RT start immediately, Glowinski RG picked up off waivers, resigned after the 2018 season to 3yr/$18M deal.

Reich turned it around with no 1st rd skill draft picks, 1 medium priced acquisition (Ebron) and a bunch of waiver wire pickups and PS promotions. The only investment on a terrible offense was on the OL. Of course, it helped to get Luck back, but in 2018 he was a shell of his former self and retired after that seasons.

Where have we seen this before, Andy Reid in 2000.

I sincerely hope you're right. I will puke if we draft a QB at #6 and will consider seppuku  if we trade up to draft one. I also think we have enough at WR for the time being. Heresy, I know. So: OL, DL, S, 1 LB, a mid-round RB, and a corner.

OTC is showing the Eagles at $43.1M over, trading/releasing Ertz, Goodwin and Barnett would cut that down to $24.1M

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Didn't know Kyle Pitts was addicted to cocaine.

He’s a Florida boy, he’s addicted to something