My big board would be pennei, chase, parsons

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

No outside CBs other than Slade to speak of and Wallace and Epps are your Ss.  No fourth DE in a four man rotation.  Your back up DTs are McGill and Williams.  Who are your starting LBs. Meanwhile three WRs drafted last year, one the year before. And you want a munchkin WR and a tweener TE/WR first.   The shallow positions on offense are C, maybe and QB, definitely.  Just don’t see it.  Someday I will do an E45 draft of nothing but receivers.  Ever think our biggest problems in the passing game may be gone?  Doug and Press with a dose of Marty. 

The guy responsible for this WR corp is still here.

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Let’s talk about PA’s 1A. Medical providers and over 65.  greend really needs to let me know how he and Ms. greend got a shot because from what he said, he is neither. A friend of the wife got a shot because she works for a large medical company, as a clerical type remotely for a year.  Geisinger gave shots to relatives.  We had board of directors getting shots.  Not exactly the "front line” medical providers I thought were in line.  I can see HE getting his shot as he was doing triage at the hospital but not in his usual role as an athletic trainer.  Meanwhile we freeze out Iggles_Phan as a teacher until June when 1B is reached?  Grocery clerks too.  Seasonal residency seems absurd. 

I'm not concerned about me, but thank you for thinking of me.

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

No. First priority is to determine whether Hurts is the QB going forward. That means giving him another receiving weapon, a power RB and shoring up the OL. That won't take the entire draft, but probably 2 of the top 4 picks and a later one or two for the power back. The rest can go to defense.

If Hurts is the real thing, defense is the priority in 2022, if not, we'll have to get a QB, and that may mean a trade up.

Ironically this is what Howie should have done 2 years ago for a different QB.   Oops.  Well, at least he can learn from his mistakes.

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ironically this is what Howie should have done 2 years ago for a different QB.   Oops.  Well, at least he can learn from his mistakes.

I wouldn't necessarily agree. Look we all know that Howie failed Wentz and this organization made a mess of the situation. But Howie did try to draft receivers and they did invest picks in the OL. They just didn't pick the right guys and they suffered a lot of injuries but they did try to give Wentz weapons. 

6 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Let’s talk about PA’s 1A. Medical providers and over 65.  greend really needs to let me know how he and Ms. greend got a shot because from what he said, he is neither. A friend of the wife got a shot because she works for a large medical company, as a clerical type remotely for a year.  Geisinger gave shots to relatives.  We had board of directors getting shots.  Not exactly the "front line” medical providers I thought were in line.  I can see HE getting his shot as he was doing triage at the hospital but not in his usual role as an athletic trainer.  Meanwhile we freeze out Iggles_Phan as a teacher until June when 1B is reached?  Grocery clerks too.  Seasonal residency seems absurd. 

To be clear,  Geisinger only gave the shot to relatives (limited to 2) who were in the appropriate group. I think that story is ridiculously overblown. No one got unfair early access. 

And imo it makes sense to give those relatives the shot because geisinger as a health system has to rely on many of those relatives as childcare for its employees. 

 

Also,  the athletic trainers where I work have been directly patient facing this entire time,  whether in ED tents,  at the school with sports in full swing and many covid exposures, or even many of us were deployed again in to the Covid ICUs. In our normal job we all work in the doctors office,  with patients as well before going to our schools.  They definitely should have gotten it in their normal role.  They are health care providers,  abs are considered mid-level providers just like a PA-C is.

Speaking of vaccinations, my wife got her second Moderna shot on Thursday. It kicked her butt. She had fever, chills, headaches yesterday. She’s been in bed since 1 pm. 

She’s the first person I know directly that experienced bad symptoms following the shot. All I had was a sore arm. 

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

But that ignores that this is a strong secondary draft.  That is the weakest area of the team.  BPA but that includes focus on weak areas. It is like you want to lose games. 

I saw QB 🙄, OL 😎, WR 🤜. RB looks pretty good too. Who knows what they are doing with the roster so it’s hard to determine which way to go. I do see at least 2 OL and 1 top WR if available as long as it’s not Smith IMO

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-most-efficient-offenses-salary-cap-2020

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

JFC. Lower floor/higher ceiling.  On draft day I don’t think anyone was more ecstatic than you about the speed we added at WR.   Carson sucked last year and the OL was in shambles. Doug and Press sucked in passing game calls and enabling Carson.  All gone.  Yet are we going to give those draft choices that sophomore year to take the next step?  Hell no.  Let’s draft even more receivers.  OL, nah. DL and pass rush (the DL just won the Super Bowl) nah.  Going with Slay, Maddox, James, LeBlanc, Epps and Maddox because that plus UDFAs Riley, Arnold and Jacquett are your secondary is of course much less important than drafting a tweener and munchkin WR.  F the C position. Pryor, Herbig and Juriga are just fine on the line. F more than one QB.  F any secondary in the deepest secondary draft in ages. Nah, we need more receivers.  We should can Howie and hire you as GM tomorrow.  

Reagor was an investment.  Watkins and Hightower were lottery tickets.  I’m all for drafting OL, actually.
 

Yes, we should can Howie.  No, I am not available for hire as GM, sorry to disappoint.

Howard Eskin just said on his morning show, Russel Wilson only has one, maybe two good years left in his career lol 

I don’t know about one or two , but 3 is realistic , his legs are a big part of his game

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

I don’t know about one or two , but 3 is realistic , his legs are a big part of his game

I would say at least three, minimum. Get him a good online and running game and he will be around awhile. He's smart, I see him improvising and adjusting, kind of like a good pitcher when they begin to lose velocity on a fastball. To think he just loses his legs some and is just done as a QB, I'm just not buying. 

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I don’t know about one or two , but 3 is realistic , his legs are a big part of his game

I kind of agree. I don't think he will be finished in two or three years, but I would expect his game to start to decline around that time. He is a good enough pocket passer to be a starting QB in the league for a long time, but when the mobility starts to slip so too will his days as an elite QB.

He has done things a certain way his whole career, I don’t see things changing  , he is not brees or Brady who have stood in the pocket their whole careers.

12 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Simmer down sport.  It was a hypothetical.  That’s probably too big of a word for you.  Let’s say it’s for pretend.  

It was a joke. How’s your Saturday morning power walk at the mall going you old geezer 

Mike Tannenbaum on NFL Radio, talking about this year’s NFL Draft

— scouts will be more reliant on game tape this year

— teams will value 2022 picks more than 2021 picks

— expect a lot of trades

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Mike Tannenbaum on NFL Radio, talking about this year’s NFL Draft

— scouts will be more reliant on game tape this year

— teams will value 2022 picks more than 2021 picks

— expect a lot of trades

Yup, actually makes the Wentz trade look better in that light.  I’ve been saying all along...if we are struggling in negotiations to move our vets, I’m all for taking 2022 picks instead.

Thats also a unique, perverse advantage for us.  I don’t entirely agree with Tannenbaum there.  GMs are all constantly thinking of their job security.  Picks now are worth more to them than picks later, even under these circumstances.  To Howie?  Maybe not.  2022 is as good to him as 2021.  He’s not going anywhere.  

Should be more reliant on game tape every year , not how fast someone runs in shorts . And the interviews are and always have been a crap shoot .

Listening to the Fran Duffy podcast where they talk about the 2020 Colts defense. Slot CB is extremely important in their defense as they do so much. Kenny Moore led the team with forced turnovers.
They spoke about how many players they have on D and how they're smart, very talented and mostly bigger more physical type players. Ballard did a heck of a job building the D. I got excited thinking we will do that here under Gannon, then realized we don't have a Ballard to pick these players 😓

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Speaking of vaccinations, my wife got her second Moderna shot on Thursday. It kicked her butt. She had fever, chills, headaches yesterday. She’s been in bed since 1 pm. 

She’s the first person I know directly that experienced bad symptoms following the shot. All I had was a sore arm. 

I heard of a lot here at work.  So much so that I called off with extremely minor symptoms because I was expecting it to knock me down at any moment,  which never ended up happening. Felt like a big baby calling off then. 

Before you get excited by drafting success/failure:

"The analysis we performed is purely descriptive — it explains what happened. The next questions pose themselves naturally: Does this mean Jason Licht and his scouts are superior talent evaluators? What about Chris Ballard or Mickey Loomis?

The answer to these questions is probably no.

For example, if we recreated the last chart for 2014-16, Licht’s first three drafts as GM, the Buccaneers rank 29th of 32 teams. Meanwhile, Chris Ballard was evaluating draft prospects for the Chiefs from 2013 through 2016, and they ranked 23rd during these four drafts. Kevin Colbert’s Steelers rank sixth in the chart above but only 24th from 2013 through 2016.

On the other side of the spectrum, John Elway's Broncos rank first from 2011 through 2016 — which explains the Super Bowl title in 2015 — but Denver hasn't had much draft success in recent years. The same is true for Bill Belichick and the Patriots, who ranked second from 2011 through 2016 but have missed on a few prospects in recent years, explaining their roster's recent decay.

Apart from the ups and downs in draft success for GMs, the overall point is that the teams' rankings can be explained entirely by chance. In the first chart, the Colts enjoyed an average percentile of 64. But if drafting were based on nothing else but luck and we could observe four consecutive drafts 10,000 times, the best team would fall into the 64th percentile roughly 25% of the time.

In other words, some team has to have the most success in the draft, and if drafting were entirely based on luck, we have a 25% chance to observe a team as good as the Colts over four years. This is not an implausible event."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-historical-draft-success-for-all-32-nfl-teams

I'd note this is similar to analyses of mutual fund managers, the brilliant financial mind is mostly a myth.

 

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Before you get excited by drafting success/failure:

"The analysis we performed is purely descriptive — it explains what happened. The next questions pose themselves naturally: Does this mean Jason Licht and his scouts are superior talent evaluators? What about Chris Ballard or Mickey Loomis?

The answer to these questions is probably no.

For example, if we recreated the last chart for 2014-16, Licht’s first three drafts as GM, the Buccaneers rank 29th of 32 teams. Meanwhile, Chris Ballard was evaluating draft prospects for the Chiefs from 2013 through 2016, and they ranked 23rd during these four drafts. Kevin Colbert’s Steelers rank sixth in the chart above but only 24th from 2013 through 2016.

On the other side of the spectrum, John Elway's Broncos rank first from 2011 through 2016 — which explains the Super Bowl title in 2015 — but Denver hasn't had much draft success in recent years. The same is true for Bill Belichick and the Patriots, who ranked second from 2011 through 2016 but have missed on a few prospects in recent years, explaining their roster's recent decay.

Apart from the ups and downs in draft success for GMs, the overall point is that the teams' rankings can be explained entirely by chance. In the first chart, the Colts enjoyed an average percentile of 64. But if drafting were based on nothing else but luck and we could observe four consecutive drafts 10,000 times, the best team would fall into the 64th percentile roughly 25% of the time.

In other words, some team has to have the most success in the draft, and if drafting were entirely based on luck, we have a 25% chance to observe a team as good as the Colts over four years. This is not an implausible event."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-historical-draft-success-for-all-32-nfl-teams

I'd note this is similar to analyses of mutual fund managers, the brilliant financial mind is mostly a myth.

 

NFL is a what have you done for me lately league , how does Licht’s last 3 drafts rank ?

I would also note , Lovie made the calls on draft picks during Licht’s first 2 years as GM , bruce the last 2.. Licht called the shots during Dirk’s 3 years

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Mike Tannenbaum on NFL Radio, talking about this year’s NFL Draft

— scouts will be more reliant on game tape this year

— teams will value 2022 picks more than 2021 picks

— expect a lot of trades

Howie already prioritized 2022 picks in the Wentz trade.
Howie and Lurie have talked about wanting more picks.

Expect a trade-down at #6 for a team coming up with a QB.